Poland-Belarus Migrant Crisis

GarryB wrote:

1.) Q: Will all these migrants make the collective weaker?

Not necessarily... it depends on how they are treated and integrated into society.

Lots of white guilt in the EU and justifiably so.

Don't think of these people as detritus... these are the people who want a better future for themselves and are prepared to learn a new language and a new culture to get it for themselves and their families.

Lots of white people are going to hate it, but Europe has spent a very long time.... 500 years plus whitening up the world, so mass migration coming back is no worse for Europe than it was for the rest of the world.

White people have to pull that stick out of their arses and realise skin colour is an indication of where someones ancestors grew up... ie the climate and conditions.... but that is all. Skin colour does not limit or effect intellect or ability... and skin colour can change.

A real warning would be scotland and new zealand... both small localised populations that were not hugely diversified and started producing gingers...

What I think: They will make the collective west weaker. We can see this, these migrants are a drain on the economies of the collective west, they are just looking for free everything. And they are a menace wherever they go, there is rape, there is crime and they destroy the social fabric of the country that they go to.

But will that make the west weaker? Even assuming what you say is true and more rape and criminal activity and expecting to get a free ride... well western culture says these days that any alcohol in a girl or womans blood means she is not giving informed consent to sexual activity so any sex they engage it could be considered rape even if it was consensual at the time... if she has regrets days later then her sexual partner could be in trouble... I think that makes the west weaker than any migrant influx. Then there is gender diversity and the idea that you can choose your gender and change gender depending on your mood... with laws being introduced to give jail terms for people who don't respect the choice of others... I actually think some new blood is really what they need.

I know what the  western countries did to them but I am thinking from the  perspective of the western countries right now.

Western countries are doing to them right now... sanctions and bombing and funding and supporting terrorists to destroy their countries so the west can get cheap oil or build pipelines through countries that hate the west and would not allow pipelines as long as they have a functioning government controlling all of their own territory.

The way the west condemns the Chinese treatment of people and then it does this... why would you even want the west to get stronger?

What would they do with that extra strength? Invade China or Russia?

2.) Q: Will these migrants be used later by the globalist's and the western elite later on to have more control?

Super cheap labour has never had any power or control in any society unless they rise up and take over in a revolution and I don't think the western elite want to broke what has delivered them all that wealth and a relatively stable society in which they can enjoy their wealth.

A revolution in the US or EU might destroy the value of the Euro or US dollar and make them all paupers over night... I doubt there is enough gold in the US for Bezos to cash out let alone everyone else.

What I think: I think this is the outcome they are going for, first create a problem and than offer a solution.

Or it is what it is... a byproduct of their eternal wars that keep the money flowing from tax payers pockets into theirs.... they tolerate it because it is a distraction... the people coming across the Med are a problem because by destroying Libya they only have themselves to blame, but they still blame human traffickers for the issue, but in Poland they can blame Belarus and Russia so that is even better so they will block the migrants and make a big show of it... do we need a wall... no question of walls or sending them home for Italy and Greece and France... they issue orders like they have to remain in the first EU country they arrive in because that suits Germany and the Dutch and the UK and the top half of Europe.

3.) Q: What will the globalist's and the western elite, do when they have let in to many migrants?

They might accelerate or step back from the ongoing destruction of the countries these people are coming from and start just flying them home.

Pretty funny that the EU complained bitterly at the US leaving all those useful and helpful Afghans in Afghanistan to face the wrath of the Taliban... all those poor people... we have to stay in Afghanistan with military force to protect them even though the billions being spent really didn't help them at all... they were treading water till the west left and they were dropped into the shit that is their country despite 20 years and trillions of dollars.

But now with Afghans trying to get to the EU from Belarus and walls and fences go up and soldiers arrive to stop them... because obviously they don't care about Afghan people... there is likely lithium and all sorts of valuable minerals and precious materials in those mountains with all that tectonic activity and no high tech mining companies stripping it for the last 500 years like in most mountain ranges in the west.

That is what the 1% are interested in... if they cared about afghans then why support warlords who are paedophiles... who are openly paedophiles... why are they only worried about Afghan women now?

It is the radical hard line nutter that they have been supporting all these years since the Soviets went there in dec 1979... if they had just left them to it the women would be fine because communism is vastly more femenest than democracy ever was... but no... they couldn't allow that to continue then even though it is so important now.

4.) Q: Will the collective west lose any technological, economic or any other edge they might have?

What I think: Yes, we are already seeking, countries in Asia and Russia are already beating the collective west in any edge they had 10-20 years ago. While the collective west focus on destroying it self, countries like China and Russia are building it self up. The collective west is bend on pushing woke ideology, and other nonsense on their population. China and Russia(also other countries) are investing in the future generation, while keeping old traditions alive.

The problems of the west and education and morality and ethics have nothing to do with their recent migrant problems for which they have no one but themselves to blame because it was totally self inflicted. Adding new blood... a new low cost workforce is a good way of injecting new blood into the system, but the real problem is that the middle class is going and turning into the poverty class while the rich get even richer there is fewer and fewer people in that middle bracket who are living a comfortable life on one income... because the super rich prefer to pay minimum wage... and when they buy a new company they fire everyone and hire back a quarter of the staff who then have to do the work of the three other people they used to work with but have been let go. No pay increase and much more work... not assistance or help to increase productivity... just bodies that are going to burn out with the workload they are being subjected to... but when they go one of the three that were fired previously would like to be back in work...

GarryB wrote:

For question 1, they are are not being integrated into society.

Whose fault is that?

How much effort is being put to assist them in their new countries of choice... I don't mean money... I mean training and language and cultural education...

I have relatives and friends that went to the EU(I never been there myself), all of my relatives and friends that went to the EU and I talked to, say that are places that you don't want to go to(they say there are many.) These people will never integrate into the EU, socially they will never take in "EU values", economically, they just want free things.

That might be very true but the free things don't last forever.... the next time they come to make the budgets to balance the income expenditure such things are easy and popular to cut.

More important the adults will likely end up with menial low paying jobs that are pretty much dead end jobs... now their kids can use the opportunity to get a good education and aim higher, or they could be trapped by the social welfare trap that traps many native families too...

The kids will adopt the EU values or not... Poland and Hungary have already said they want the right to hold their own values over EU values where the two conflict in their own borders... we will see how far that goes... lots of hostility from Brussels but I suspect people in the UK and indeed even France probably agree with those scallywags rather than the appointed big heads in Brussels.

This is not the new type of blood you need, over time this will make the EU and the collective west weaker.

It is going to be a real test of the EU.... given raw human material... is it able to produce diamonds, or will it just create shit. Every country likes to suggest that if you work hard that you can get a comfortable and happy life.... this will be a test. The EU does not need carbon copy clone robots that do as they are told...

Other things I agree with you but this is not the new blood that the collective west needs.

Blood is blood is blood.... it is all red.

I think the western elites will soon realize the mistake they have made, with letting in these migrants.

Considering they have polluted the world with their own spawn for the last 500 years perhaps their biggest problem is that the inbreeding at home has led to mental degradation... Perhaps you need a little colour in your cheeks.

Right now the west is losing any leverage they had against Russia or China.

Nothing at all to do with migrants in either location. Putin has been suggesting partnership and cooperation for 20 years and for 20 years he has been rejected and humiliated and told how he should be acting and performing to meet western "expectations"s.

Well the patience has run out... nothing to do with Migrants... all the sanctions and backstabbing from the west has led to Russia filling in the gaps and now it is more independent than it has ever been in its history...

The west does not want good relations with Russia... hense talk of being in a position of strength and leverage... trade partners and people wanting to cooperate don't use such terms...

The collective west needed to be strong and untied to take on Russia and China but the western elites have divided their own countries and have made their own countries weaker.

No it did not. All it needed to do was trade openly with Russia and treat it like an equal and everything would have been fine. They instead made Russia and now China an enemy and now they are realising they probably don't have the money for the upcoming cold wars they have brought on with their own stupidity and arrogance.... they are borrowed up to the eyeballs... the money they spend will mostly be borrowed from China and it will be a war they can't win.

higurashihougi wrote:

GarryB wrote:Of course there is always the risk of getting abused... many nationalities are notorious for fooling relatives back home that everything is wonderful and easy and free to get them to come over and then they treat them like slaves and charge them for all sorts of things that they have to work off in your factory or your shop earning 10c a day or something.... it does not help that they are being abused by their own kind but of course if you are open to such abuse someone will take advantage of you eventually.

Bourgeioise is bourgeioise, there is no difference in essence between Russian, Chinese, European, American, or Vietnamese bourgeioise.

A Chinese or Vietnamese enterprise owner is not neccessarily better than Jeff Bezos.

It is painful for me, though, to know that some of my fellow countrymen are abusing and exploiting people. They seems to forget that their ancestor struggled for independence, not for being a new bully.

lyle6 wrote:The Germans want these 'people' invading their homes - why the **** should Poland interfere? Awfully hypocritical of them to deny other useless eaters the opportunity after taking in hundreds of billions in German money themselves for not much in return.

GarryB wrote:RT had a documentary on the EU food embargo and they talked to Polish farmers... many of whom had just spent big money to expand production capacity for things like apples that were in demand in Russia... or should I say had just got into enormous levels of debt to expand production to meet demand and then Putin put sanctions on EU food. All of a sudden they had more apples than they knew what to do with and no one to sell them to.

It mentioned that for storage they have large rooms where the oxygen levels are kept very low to slow down the process of ripening so they can delay some fruit from being ready so it is no all ready at once.

There were lots of stories of Orchardists who couldn't pay their loans who went into such rooms and lay down and went to sleep and never woke up again.

Actually rather sad, these are ordinary people just trying to earn a living.

These are people who petitioned local government officials to get them to roll back EU sanctions on Russia so that Russia would roll back its sanctions in return and everything could go back to normal, but I suspect there is no going back to the old normal.

Other sources will have been found to supply the demand for most foods and if it is local then it is probably cheaper because there would be no conversions to Euros, and Russian wages are lower than European wages, so even if they get their way they might find themselves competing against Russian apples that are cheaper than they could make them.... wouldn't that be a kick in the guts.

They got screwed by their own government and then to lobby to undo the damage they get screwed again.

BTW Brussels must be the worlds largest source of fertiliser... but it is in human form.... just get some decent sized liquidisers and start producing your Soylent Green... even if no one buys it you will still be doing yourself a favour getting rid of that human manure.

GarryB wrote:RT had a documentary on the EU food embargo and they talked to Polish farmers... many of whom had just spent big money to expand production capacity for things like apples that were in demand in Russia... or should I say had just got into enormous levels of debt to expand production to meet demand and then Putin put sanctions on EU food. All of a sudden they had more apples than they knew what to do with and no one to sell them to.

It mentioned that for storage they have large rooms where the oxygen levels are kept very low to slow down the process of ripening so they can delay some fruit from being ready so it is no all ready at once.

There were lots of stories of Orchardists who couldn't pay their loans who went into such rooms and lay down and went to sleep and never woke up again.

Actually rather sad, these are ordinary people just trying to earn a living.

These are people who petitioned local government officials to get them to roll back EU sanctions on Russia so that Russia would roll back its sanctions in return and everything could go back to normal, but I suspect there is no going back to the old normal.

Other sources will have been found to supply the demand for most foods and if it is local then it is probably cheaper because there would be no conversions to Euros, and Russian wages are lower than European wages, so even if they get their way they might find themselves competing against Russian apples that are cheaper than they could make them.... wouldn't that be a kick in the guts.

They got screwed by their own government and then to lobby to undo the damage they get screwed again.

BTW Brussels must be the worlds largest source of fertiliser... but it is in human form.... just get some decent sized liquidisers and start producing your Soylent Green... even if no one buys it you will still be doing yourself a favour getting rid of that human manure.