As for the F35. The USA already has almost 500 planes. Maybe it's not the best plane. However, quantity is also quality Very Happy . In total, an even greater quantity was produced. That's quite impressive for a declining US industry. Who recently produced so many aircraft of a given type?
How much damage have they done to their military producing over 600 aircraft that are still fundamentally flawed in a number of areas, including excessive purchase and operational costs, and they still suffocate their pilots because the oxygen system is still not fixed. The more F-35s they can get into HATO air forces the more HATO budgets will be tied up keeping them running... but more importantly look at the other 5th gen fighter projects the Europeans and other western allies are working on... the Japs and the South Koreans each have a 5th gen fighter design, the Europeans have the tempest and Turkey has its own design too, so shortly the French and Germans will decide they can't work with the British and that will be three new separate programmes too.
More critically all these programmes will burn more money and take away orders for the F-35 programme which will make each aircraft more expensive because they wont be buying as many as they planned for.
What I provided was an example to illustrate that western industrial or scintific capabilities are real and huge.
They are uncoordinated and corrupt, and without cheap power likely to move to China.
page 16 Russia is not even in top 10 industrial robot installation not to mention production
So what? Why do you think they need robot factories to make things?
Embraer alone build same amount of airplanes as Russia and China alone. 41 Airbus 611 Boeing 340 and is was rather not the best year for world's production. Its 25 times more.
And how many playstations did Russia make in 2021 and how is that even relevant to the current situation where the west has super sanctions on Russia to try to damage her and murder her people?
Now Russia is making its own civilian aircraft and China is too how long before Boeing and Airbus start to really struggle with reduced commercial orders and much stronger competition that they can't sabotage with bribes and sanctions?
end off topic.
It s OK, I will be moving all of this stuff to the TB thread.
For the west, deliveries of new generation airplanes began in the mid-90s, which is functionally more than a decade advantage towards Russia. The bulk of the west's modern multirole planes is constructed along Eurofighter, with almost 600 pcs produced.
Not just that but the first batches of the Typhoon are obsolete and it would cost more to upgrade them to the latest version than it would to scrap them and just make new planes...
so how many tankers Russia has available on each airfield where Tu-22 or Mig-31k is based? The data I provided are from Russian from govt media, you are free to deny them.
So Inflight refuelling tankers can only fuel aircraft that operate from the airfield they operate from, and cannot fly to an area and refuel aircraft passing by... at all... they are fully unionised and it is against the rules.
assuming distance 5000km (please reread my sentence) it gives ~30 minutes of flight. and aircraft carrier (they at war dont slow really approaching Russian shores? Or you assume their navy os relaxed knowing is can be hit?
I am talking about them moving as fast as possible to show they cannot move fast enough to be a difficult target to find in the time it takes for the Russian missile to get within radar range of the American ships. US carriers never operate at 45 knots because their support ships would be quickly left behind and they would be on their own and easy pickings for enemy subs. I doubt they could launch and recover aircraft at such speeds either.
were we talking about Serpentine of Mig-31? Migs dont carry Serpentine. 5km in half hour so AC travels 1,5 knots? One of Serpentines objective was also the dark eagle ~ 3000km range. So we know minimum range then. Guess why Russian dont want to use Migs if they can do anything?
I was making a comparison with Kinzhal. Serpentine is an intermediate range ballistic missile and likely will be moving significantly faster than Kinzhal, and would probably reach targets 2,500km plus away in less than 20 minutes.
ICBMs travel 10,000km+ in about 30 minutes.
same goes the other side look at Urine and Russian AF.
The conflict in Ukraine is a tiny fraction of Russias Army and they are trying to minimise civilian casualties because as far as they are concerned this is a rescue to save pro Russian Ukrainians from pro American Ukrainian Nazis. If Russia was fighting HATO they would be launching cruise missiles at Brussels and centres in EU countries to take out military and political targets to cause max destruction, and considering the performance of PAC-3 in Kiev I would say they would be getting lots of hits.
NATO is stupid and have no missiles like storm shadow/Taurus or scalp at all?
They have tiny reserves of such weapons and have not planned for anything other than a colonial war against third world countries... they have nothing like the ammo needed to take on Russia... and wont have for a decade or so.
Their ammo is expensive and their storage sites are almost empty.
Dotn they have planning bombs? No Russian AAd sites were affected/hit?
There are an enormous number of Russian AD vehicles and pieces of equipment in theatre and when they hit something they dance like they won the war.
If it was western AD systems then they should dance because they don't have many of those, but Russia has plenty of AD vehicles to replace any that are hit.
Do you think that the west would first use airforce to enter saturated area with AADs? not use standoff missiles/drones?
The west can use all the standoff weapons and drones they like but their aircraft are going to be slaughtered when they try to enter enemy contested airspace, and their weapons are going to get slaughtered too... they already send most of them to Kiev.
After wiki:
The title says Japan to spend billions on missile build up... doesn't sound like they have them ready to launch yet.
Tomahawks are slow easy targets that most Russian systems can shoot down... Russian missiles seem to get through to their targets most of the time even against prepared Kiev air defences.
How many tomahawks can station in Poland Romania or float around Russian shores?
Poland and Romania would be nuked if they did that... an act of war from HATO countries represents a threat to the Russian state and fully justifies a nuclear response.
US could reach most of Russian metropolis r industrial centers unlike urine.
they can only reach with nukes, which means they get nuked in reply.
The US has bent over backwards to avoid direct conflict with Russia in this... is that the actions of a country working from a position of strength as they call it?
Urine has just enough of weapons to keep war going not to win. US would lead war to win. Im not saying they would win for sure but it would not be so comfortable for Russia either.
The Ukraine war is about removing nazis, a war with the US and HATO is a war of survival so nukes become necessary and no mercy given to any HATO country that thinks it can strike Russia and be protected by the US.
Western bloc is around billion people Russia has below 160 millions.
Japan had a tiny fraction of the number of people that China had in the 1930s, but it was the Soviets that kicked them out... the rest of the world is over 6 billion.
Western gdp is so far reflected in avg person much higher life comfort, health services better cars or better . So you are free in believe whatever you wan to but please check the numbers first.
GDP figures is smoke and mirrors... ask an American living in a trailer park all their lives about their white priviledge and how they have it so much better than the Russians.
GDP does not help when you military industrial complex is openly stealing from you... the Pentagon can't account for hundreds of billions of the dollars it spends each year... enough to fund a country...
doesn't matter reeally
And so they get away with it.
elites will redo covid or alines to keep population frightened and under control. NZ inclusive. Will you organize guerilla movement? or obey?
Covid was a US designed virus they were testing in China because it would be illegal and too dangerous to test it in the US. Its release was incompetence... if it was planned they would already have a vaccine ready for themselves... that was a huge own goal that weakened the west more than anyone else and they certainly wont want any repeat of that fiasco.
Kornet ~10times less according to TV Zvezda the official channel of Russian Army)
Open press? There are export contracts with India for Kornet missiles (the old 5.5km range models) that work out at $5,000 per missile.
The price of Javelin might be claimed to be $200K but the missiles arriving in Kiev have changed hands many times and even the ones from old stocks are four or five times more than that... that is how the western MIC works.
With bigger serial production this perhaps even go down with Us made AGTMS.
With profiteering the price will go up... the price for the F-35 was supposed to go down and it went up...
And Javelin reaches 2.5km range, which is half the range of the old Kornet, the current Kornet reaches 8.5km (10km with the HE Frag armed version that is capable of anti air use as well as hitting ground targets).
Like Leo and Abrams which are most popular tanks there? Do Russian t62/ t-55 and T-72 use the same ammo?
Locally supplied and ready to go. In comparison the British tanks with their rifled 120mm main guns came with the only ammo it could fire... no other HATO country can supply it because no other HATO country uses it.
The Russians are using upgraded T-72s, T-80s and T-90s for the most part which all use the same 125mm ammo.
Why almost all TG channels collect money for soldiers equipment? or cars? or even clothes? Not rosy on both sides im afraid.
Stories of UK tank crew killed in Afghanistan because they had not been issued with flak vests... shit happens in war... it happens to everyone.
And yes Im pro Russian but ignoring deficiencies in bad, especially for fighting soldiers.
Expecting the to be no problems is childish and moronic.
Crying about it and claiming the sky is falling... well you are just cheer leading for the other side.
then all my attackers will jump to your throat like Rabbit of Caerbannog
Attackers? Paranoid much?
Enough to compare civilian aircraft production 25times more then Russia in 2021.
In 2021 Russian airlines had western planes... that is changing now... you are very disingenuous with your timing.
What is the enormous ramping up of civil aircraft production in the west going to do to Airbus and Boeing in terms of future sales?
The west woke the Russian aircraft industry and gave it a real purpose... now it has a brand new range of jet engines coming on line that are state of the art and fully competitive with anything the west has... in fact many western aircraft rely on titanium components from RUSSIA... how is that going to work out?
If the US wants to fight Russia then perhaps Russia might stop the export of titanium and other important metals to the US... what will they make their planes out of then?
They have the clue just didn't switch to war industry mode yet. Simply there is not enough orders. BTW flight global says 141 F-35 was made
The headline in the link you provide says Pentagon stops accepting new F-35s...
Hungary alone ordered 44 Leos-2 alone not sure if any were made but form 2023 were to be delivered till 2025
Norway beginning of 2023 ordered 54 already so they make tanks according to orders, no orders no production. Do you really believe Germans don't know how to manufacture?
Do you think the Germans have a magic switch that makes tanks just appear... their energy costs have quadrupled and all their HATO allies sent all their old crap tanks to Kiev for recycling by Russian artillery and land mines, and now they are all ordering brand new tanks to replace them all... thinking HATO or the US or Kiev will pay for it all. They went from no orders for new tanks to perhaps thousands.... and their factories are shutting down because they don't have the energy to keep them running... they will most likely move to the US because the US is offering great kickbacks.
Russia doesn't make 140 fighters per year isnt it? and they are not yet at war.
They don't need 140 new fighters a year, they need missiles and shells and drones and they are making millions.
pls stay on topic
Going to shift to talking bollocks thread shortly.
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. In total, an even greater quantity was produced. That's quite impressive for a declining US industry. Who recently produced so many aircraft of a given type?
