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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:57 pm

    kvs wrote:PD has Rogozin derangement syndrome. ...

    Yesterday you accused Kazakhstan of planning to screw ver Russia while your fat retard was receiving a friendship medal from them but I'm the one with syndrome?

    Have you been drinking more than usual from Gazza's private "milk" fountain? You might have surplus of vitamin B there



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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:13 pm

    PhSt wrote:Is Roscosmos faring better before Rogozin took over?

    Constant delays, cancellations and crashes

    And endless streaks of scandals caused by his inability to keep his stupid fat mouth shut

    Also one of his main duties was to sort out construction of Vostochniy spaceport but he fucked it up so hard that in the end actual military was sent in to finish the job

    Despite everything he refuses to resign but is too well connected so he is kept there so he wouldn't f*ck up something more important than some two bit space program


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    Post  limb Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    PhSt wrote:Is Roscosmos faring better before Rogozin took over?

    Constant delays, cancellations and crashes

    Such as?
    Also define constant.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:47 pm

    limb wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    PhSt wrote:Is Roscosmos faring better before Rogozin took over?

    Constant delays, cancellations and crashes

    Such as?
    Also define constant.

    If you need the list of everything that was cancelled or delayed check Wikipedia, I don't have time to type all day

    Everything is 5 years away every year

    As for crashes you have Angosat being launched from wrong spaceport and Soyuz blowing up and nearly killing the crew because one gopher decided to hammer the booster in place

    Also some idiot drilled a hole in a capsule and glued it with epoxy without telling anyone which started leaking in orbit as expected and Rogozin's first​ impulse was to come up with some bullshit fairytale about Americans going on a secret EVA to drill hole and tarnish the "reputation" of Roskosmos (FSB later confirmed that this was all obviously BS)

    Of course even after all that security cameras are deemed too high tech by fat fucktard



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    Post  thegopnik Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:02 pm

    PD is not the only one that hates Rogozin even in paralays forum some user has a quote for each of his post that says something like I hope Rogozin drinks methane.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:01 am

    Gotta say PD

    I had my money on you, but he got you pretty badly there. A nice verbal jab to the ribs to provoke you followed by a haymaker that took you outta the battle as soon as you lifted your head



    ..

    Anyway Rogozin is a retard, pass it on.
    The Kremlin's hitman and a blabbermouth extraordinaire that makes a mockery of the all the hard work people put in before him to construct relations with NASA, fix issues and everything else. He may be the public face, and the one who goes around confronting mid-managers for the cameras - but it's the silent, working, humble types who keep Roscosmos afloat and patch up its problems

    Just the same with this Nauka saga. His decision to send it up. Then all the professionals both in Russia and in NASA started hurriedly collaborating to establish contact and try to resolve the problems with it, while Rogozin himself was busy receiving an award from the PM of Kazakhstan.


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:04 am

    flamming_python wrote:Gotta say PD

    I had my money on you, but he got you pretty badly there. A nice verbal jab to the ribs to provoke you followed by a haymaker that took you outta the battle as soon as you lifted your head



    ..

    Anyway Rogozin is a retard, pass it on.

    Oh really, who did?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:14 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    The Kremlin's hitman .... He may be the public face, and the one who goes around confronting mid-managers for the cameras - but it's the silent, working, humble types who keep Roscosmos afloat and patch up its problems

    Agreed with this part, and that is what his position is all about, and should be all about. Rogozin is there to beat Roskosmos management into shape, and tear them a new one if they screw up and/or fail to meet expectations. From my POV, he is doing that, and the rate of fails have greatly diminished since he took charge.

    We don't need to like him. We can even hate his guts if we so choose (as some clearly do). We should however admit that he is doing his job, and definite progress has been made. As long as Roskosmos continues on an upward path, I think he should keep his job. If there is a major fail that can be definitively pinned on him or his decisions/actions, then his position should be re-assessed (that's how senior management positions work) but design/technical failures are the responsibility of that projects PM layer, not the corporate managers.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:41 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Isos wrote:Sell it to a poor country like Venezuela or Argentina (that would piss off UK) for low price.
    In any case, Russian export models are among the worst in the world, probably even worse than China's. Western governments do not export top of the line models. Diminished versions of local models are exported. Even then Western export models of military hardware are in orders of magnitude better than Russian export models.

    To be fair no country exports top of the line gear, anything exported is very watered down on purpose.

    In this case it's not really fair to compare export SU-30's to domestic US F-15's.

    Export SU-30's can hold their own against export F-15's.

    This is a tired cliche I see all the time from people, they do not understand the difference between export and domestic gear.

    Like dessert storm T-72's those were all trash tier exports that lacked modern tech on purpose because thats how the Soviets did it. If you compared one of those T72's to one in the Soviet Center at that time, you'd see just how big and wide the performance gaps are., same goes for aircraft.

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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:40 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    Isos wrote:Sell it to a poor country like Venezuela or Argentina (that would piss off UK) for low price.
    In any case, Russian export models are among the worst in the world, probably even worse than China's. Western governments do not export top of the line models. Diminished versions of local models are exported. Even then Western export models of military hardware are in orders of magnitude better than Russian export models.

    To be fair no country exports top of the line gear, anything exported is very watered down on purpose.

    In this case it's not really fair to compare export SU-30's to domestic US F-15's.

    Export SU-30's can hold their own against export F-15's.

    This is a tired cliche I see all the time from people, they do not understand the difference between export and domestic gear.

    Like dessert storm T-72's those were all trash tier exports that lacked modern tech on purpose because thats how the Soviets did it. If you compared one of those T72's to one in the Soviet Center at that time, you'd see just how big and wide the performance gaps are., same goes for aircraft.


    Depend also what you pay for.

    The APFSDS iraqi bought were the shittiest possible. They coyld have had something better if they really wanted to. They also could have bought better optics but they didn't.

    Export models are inferior to russian versions but are not shitty at all. If you buy the best possible and train soldier very well, they can be very good.

    Egypt did very good with its stuff against israrli until bad decisions happened. SA-6 downed a lot of israeli planes and their atgm anhilated israeli tank divisions.

    Most of the time russian clients lack training. Last time Venezuela needed russian help to use its s-300...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:46 pm

    Hmm no they literally used training ammo against Abrams.

    Also, the export versions did not come with sights and there were no options for them. Your knowledge on this subject is lacking, I suggest you do some research.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:53 pm

    Last time when reality check was made, your brave eagles were skilled enough, to make a kill of M1A2 using M1002 practice shot from 2600m.

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    So I would not have been so sarcastic about Iraqis shooting at you with training round.

    The bulk of Iraq's 125 mm ammo was 3WBM3 with 3BM-9 projectile, fielded in 1962.
    And the best they had used to be a 3WBM-8 with 3BM-17 projectile from the early 70s, being monkey model of 3BM-15, lacking hardened slug, and serving as practice ammo indeed, for WarPac militaries.
    Sure they shoot at you with training rounds, considering from this perspective.
    Plus the Iraqi army in 2003 lacked everything but sand. Soldiers were hardly trained and keen on any action.

    And what is the mastermind behind "lacking sights" would remain a mystery to everyone but you I guess.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:27 pm

    The T-72's in DS did not have Thermal Sights they even lacked modern range finders

    Oh, that incident you are taking that way out of context lol, Don't be one of those guys. Why do people gotta be so salty on this sight lol.

    The Abrams wasn't targeting the other Abrams, that was a lie on your part. It's unknown what happened has the pentagon never said but its assumed the round bounced and hit the sides or rear of the other abrams.

    The 120mm M1002 TPMP-T is capable of penetrating the sides of an abrams, the crew wasn't killed.

    The ammo Iraq's had was training ammo incapable of penetrating the front armor of abrams.

    None of this has anything to do with Kilos tho, So Imma end it here.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:02 pm

    Of course, they lacked, and of course, they didn't.
    Still, they had sights.
    Monkey models 72Ms delivered from Poland, and Assad Babil with armor plates half the hardness of the WarPac standard should ring a bell, but hardly believe it does.
    Going to discover the Murica again?
    You will be 4th in a row.
    Get used to it Laughing

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    Post  George1 Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:40 pm

    Τhis thread is for Kilo submarines, how we got to tanks discussion? Question

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    Post  Broski Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:20 pm

    George1 wrote:Τhis thread is for Kilo submarines, how we got to tanks discussion?  Question
    Everything went to shit at Post n°615
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    Post  Mir Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:10 am

    Very easy to confuse the two lol!

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:33 am

    Is it a plane?
    Is it a bird?
    Is it a submarine?
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:59 am

    I used to watch the commission debate of Australian parliament I guess when a committee member was asking an admiral about the project Laughing
    She could not get the fact, that the way you move the sub has nothing to do with its overall capabilities Laughing
    The only thing someone wrote her, was that the project pushed by the Australian Navy lacks "thruster", so cant sail Laughing Laughing
    And those people are making decisions, imagine Laughing

    Edit : reminded, the lady's name is Pauline Hanson, and it was "pump jet" agenda Laughing Laughing



    Pure gold, lads Laughing
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:08 pm

    The ammo was described as training ammo by the Russians who were asked to comment about the poor performance of Iraqi troops against US forces.

    They didn't mean they were actually using training ammo but that at the time (1990s) that their training ammo had better performance than the ammo the Iraqis had bought and were using.

    Shifting to talking bollocks thread now...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:54 am

    I had a gut feeling that the crash would happen.
    And I hope that those who planned forum presentation before the prototype testing was 100% complete would pay dearly for it.

    https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/il-112-crash-affects-other-russian-aircraft-programs

    Even if they won't get An-26 replacements in time, Mi-38/26s could be substituted, if need be.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:37 am

    Hopefully whatever court case comes out of it, many of the Navalny crew will get sued so hard that it wouldn't be worth doing what they do. And also block their ability to obtain funds from donations.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:46 pm

    "The plane was designed with mistakes"

    It's development been delayed for years & I suspect they lately rushed it, resulting in the crash.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:02 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:"The plane was designed with mistakes"

    It's development been delayed for years & I suspect they lately rushed it, resulting in the crash.

    More Tsavo's dumbassery hidden behind hyperlinks in the hope that certain clueless percentage of mobile users will follow them by accident

    I'll save y'all the trouble: it's just a link to YouTube video same as 95% of Tsavo's bullshit

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:55 am

    Since some here can't read Russian, I translate the titles before posting them, not to hide anything. So stop insinuating anything.
    Ur opinions may or may not be shared by others, so u better stop pushing it.

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