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    Post  par far Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:53 pm

    "Nord Stream 2 will cost Kiev $3 billion in transit fees every year, leaving Ukraine unable to finance its army, says Zelensky"




    https://www.rt.com/russia/525558-zelensky-gas-army-finance-shortages/

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:42 pm

    par far wrote:"Nord Stream 2 will cost Kiev $3 billion in transit fees every year, leaving Ukraine unable to finance its army, says Zelensky"

    https://www.rt.com/russia/525558-zelensky-gas-army-finance-shortages/

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:28 am

    par far wrote:"Nord Stream 2 will cost Kiev $3 billion in transit fees every year, leaving Ukraine unable to finance its army, says Zelensky"




    https://www.rt.com/russia/525558-zelensky-gas-army-finance-shortages/


    Wow! Like they say in the Wild wild west, don't bring a sword to a gunfight!

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:22 am

    par far wrote:"Nord Stream 2 will cost Kiev $3 billion in transit fees every year, leaving Ukraine unable to finance its army, says Zelensky"




    https://www.rt.com/russia/525558-zelensky-gas-army-finance-shortages/


    This is a good indicator of the actual size of Banderastan's economy. If it was anywhere near the size claimed, then $3 billion would be
    small potatoes and not some show stopper.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:45 pm

    R&U Videos
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    #Belarus #Donbass | Representatives of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR or LNR) prosecutor's office went to Minsk to interrogate detained "journalist" Roman Protasevich about his participation in hostilities in Donbass in the ranks of the Ukrainian (neo-nazi) "Azov" regiment

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:37 am

    As they say on an Aussie film... that is not a knife... this is a knife...

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:R&U Videos
    @r_u_vid
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    #Belarus #Donbass | Representatives of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR or LNR) prosecutor's office went to Minsk to interrogate detained "journalist" Roman Protasevich about his participation in hostilities in Donbass in the ranks of the Ukrainian (neo-nazi) "Azov" regiment

    What?! for real?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:59 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    #Belarus #Donbass | Representatives of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR or LNR) prosecutor's office went to Minsk to interrogate detained "journalist" Roman Protasevich about his participation in hostilities in Donbass in the ranks of the Ukrainian (neo-nazi) "Azov" regiment

    What?! for real?
    Couldn't miss an opportunity like that!

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:30 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:R&U Videos
    @r_u_vid
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    #Belarus #Donbass | Representatives of the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR or LNR) prosecutor's office went to Minsk to interrogate detained "journalist" Roman Protasevich about his participation in hostilities in Donbass in the ranks of the Ukrainian (neo-nazi) "Azov" regiment

    What?! for real?

    The Azov paramilitaries are war criminals. Recall the endless harping about mass graves in Kosovo back in 1999. Well, these butchers
    produced a few of their own filled with dead Donbass villagers. They also routinely tortured and murdered POWs.

    Protasevich, the protozoa, is only a squeaky clean "journalist" in the propaganda drivel put out by NATzO. NATzO openly backed and
    still backs the criminal military campaign of its quislings in Kiev against the Donbass. And as usual we have the Orwellian label
    "Anti-terrorist Operation" or ATO which is the only terrorism involved. Nobody in the Donbass has staged a single terrorist incident
    since the regime change in Kiev. Here the word "terrorist" is redefined to apply to anyone resisting the phony authority of the
    Kiev regime.

    The proper term for the Donbass defenders is freedom fighters. They are not even rebels since they are not rebelling against a legitimate
    authority. They are resisting a foreign installed occupation regime.



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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:12 pm

    Yes, I remember the video of them driving down the highway, shooting unarmed civilians, who was driving down the highway.
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:33 pm

    BTW, lack of an OSCE report on the mass graves and other war crimes is no indication that they did not happen. The OSCE is a greater NATzO
    and engages in self-serving activity. For some reason Russia is still accommodating this shill organization. The OSCE was acting as the spotters
    and spies for the UCK in Kosovo during the ethnic strife there in 1999.

    There is a pattern here. NATzO instigated the ethnic strife in ex-Yugoslavia by promising both Tudjman and Izetbegovic unwavering support.
    The 1992 Lisbon accords that were the only way to stop the bloodshed in Bosnia i Herzegovina were destroyed by the US ambassador giving
    Izetbegovic to make a grab for the whole of Bosnia at the expense of the Serb and Croat factions. It was a three way civil war even if the
    NATzO fake stream media tried to paint it as a "Greater Serbia" project. It was a greater US proxy project. NATzO did exactly the same
    thing Ukraine in 2014, by foisting a regime change on the country and then prompting its quislings to engage in ethnic cleansing.

    That's right, it is ethnic cleansing since the Kiev regime and its various historian frauds and court jesters spread the blood libel that the people
    living in the Donbass are criminal squatters who moved in after the Holodomor "genocide" of "indigenous Ukrainians". The Donbass was a Bolshevik
    gift to the Ukrainian SSR. The people who live in the Donbass have the graves of their ancestors to prove they were there before any Holodomor
    or Ukrainian SSR. The Kiev regime openly called for the setting up of concentration camps for Donbass residents.

    NATzO is the scum of the Earth.




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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:01 am


    Cool

    Zelensky accuses America of paying for NS2 pipeline with Ukrainian lives & blasts Biden for not meeting him before Putin summit

    https://www.rt.com/russia/525904-zelensky-accuse-america-nordstream2/

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cool

    Zelensky accuses America of paying for NS2 pipeline with Ukrainian lives & blasts Biden for not meeting him before Putin summit

    https://www.rt.com/russia/525904-zelensky-accuse-america-nordstream2/


    He should be more grateful to his benefactors, for the few scraps that he is at least fed.

    And I remember how happy they all were over there in Kiev that Biden won in the elections Laughing

    They need not worry, it'll be back to business as usual after the summit, when Russia makes it clear it's not going to sacrifice any of its relations or projects with China in return for 'normalization'.
    Well, back to business minus the gas transit business of course, they're gonna lose that with Nord Stream 2 Cool

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:52 am

    GarryB wrote:Which just solidifies what is going to happen.... without Kiev implementing the Minsk agreements the rebel regions can only hope for autonomy and independence separate from Kiev..... it is only a matter of time.

    Lavrov just said few days ago that next step if Minsk agreements are abandoned is recognition of Donbass BTW

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:12 am

    Fortuna is really close to the Akademik Cherskiy.
    Perhaps they are going to switch the pipelaying from Danish waters to the Fortuna?

    I would have expected Akademik Cherskiy to continue laying pipe from the Danish side and the Fortuna to come from the German side.
    But it seems they are switching places.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:03 pm

    lancelot wrote:Fortuna is really close to the Akademik Cherskiy.
    Perhaps they are going to switch the pipelaying from Danish waters to the Fortuna?

    I would have expected Akademik Cherskiy to continue laying pipe from the Danish side and the Fortuna to come from the German side.
    But it seems they are switching places.

    Good spot. ATM they are about 8km apart with Fortuna to the north with the support vessels and AC on her own, both barely moving.

    Just realised that you put this in the Ukraine thread. Why?

    I've copied this post to the Russian Oil and Gas thread.

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    Post  franco Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:50 pm

    Saboteurs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot five soldiers of the "Ghost"

    On June 9, at the military training ground "Urzuf", which is located 40 kilometers from Mariupol on the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov, large-scale military exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, units of the SBU "Alpha" and the National Guard under the leadership of foreign instructors ended. The declared topic of the exercises (practicing the repulsion of the enemy's defense breakthrough) had nothing to do with what they actually did at the training ground - instructors formed and immediately trained sabotage and reconnaissance groups (DRG) on the spot to carry out sabotage in the "gray zone" on the demarcation line on Donbass. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky also visited Urzuf during his trip to Donbass to personally greet the saboteurs.

    As a result of the military exercises, 12 sabotage groups were formed, 12-16 people in each: 8 groups - for actions on the territory of the "gray zone" along the entire line of contact of the Donetsk region, 4 - in Luhansk. The goal of the DRG is to provoke and unleash local clashes with the defenders of Donbass from 10 to 17 June. For this reason, Ukrainian and Western journalists and cameramen have already been sent to the JFO zone to demonstrate to the whole world the "separatist aggression" on the eve of the meeting of the presidents of Russia and the United States.

    Inspired by the visit of the president himself, Ukrainian saboteurs committed a crime on the territory of the LPR on the night of June 11.

    “After several days of silence and the absence of shelling from the armed forces of Ukraine, five soldiers of the People's Militia who defended the Republic in the area of ​​the settlement of Golubovskoye were perfidiously killed by shots in the head as a result of a raid by Ukrainian saboteurs. Regardless of the lives of people and in violation of the existing measures on the observance of the ceasefire, the President of Ukraine intends to attract the attention of the international community on the eve of the meeting of the presidents of Russia and the United States. We are firmly convinced that this sabotage was carefully planned and approved at the highest level. The rash attempts of the Ukrainian side can break the shaky ceasefire and lead to an escalation of the situation on the line of contact, ” - says the official statement of the Head of the LPR Leonid Pasechnik, who was forced to interrupt his visit to Russia and return to Lugansk.

    The People's Militia of the LPR has no doubts: this crime is connected with the visit of Volodymyr Zelensky to the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the demarcation line, where he made a statement about Kiev's readiness to resolve the conflict in Donbass by force. Before his arrival, there was a certain lull at the front, and the president's statement became a kind of resolution to exacerbate the situation.

    According to the official representative of the People's Militia Department of the LPR Yakov Osadchy, saboteurs attacked the observation post of the Ghost battalion of the People's Militia near the village of Golubovskoye in the Luhansk region at night. Four members of the People's Militia were shot at point-blank range, one with a foreign-made sniper rifle.

    “It should be noted that former miners, doctors, combine operators and representatives of other purely peaceful professions serve in the People's Militia of the LPR. None of those killed before the start of the civil war in Donbass was a career soldier. All of them were forced to take up arms to protect their families from the Ukrainian nationalists who staged a coup d'etat in Ukraine. As a result of this cold-blooded murder, four children were left without fathers, ” - said in an emergency statement of the official representative of the NM LPR on June 11, Yakov Osadchy.

    He recalled that such actions of Ukraine contradict the Minsk agreements and the constant statements of the Ukrainian president about the desire to resolve the conflict peacefully.

    According to Denis Denisov, a political scientist and director of the Institute for Peacekeeping Initiatives and Conflictology, the Ukrainian bloody provocation could destabilize the situation on the line of demarcation. After a lull on the front line, this incident unties the hands of the LPR for a tough response, and it is likely that this response may become disproportionate, the political scientist believes. He insists that the OSCE mission is simply obliged to give its assessment of the whole incident.

    “Ukraine has once again violated the basic documents on preventing the ceasefire regime. This is a very serious provocation. Apparently, they are trying to prepare their celebration of the thirtieth anniversary of independence by such methods, ” - said Denisov.

    And military commander Yuriy Kotenok reminds that the Ukrainian military quite often appears at the positions of the Ghost battalion, and they shell the Ghost positions almost every day, because this battalion is not just a military enemy, it is a strong ideological enemy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    The kitten does not agree with those who speak of a provocation timed to coincide with the meeting in Geneva. In his opinion, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided on a provocation, they would fire at a school or kindergarten. He believes that in this case it was "a typical training operation of ukrokaratels from a separate special operations center" West ", and the group that underwent training there simply" passed the final qualifying test, and nothing more. "

    “This is a typical work methodology for instructors from the United States, when the graduating teams of the MTR run in on a real enemy.

    You think in vain, US reconnaissance UAVs fly along the contact line in Donbas. No, not in vain. They collect information, conduct surveillance, and this data, including transmitting it to ukrokaratels from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They have the technical ability to view our defense in Donbass to the full depth of its operational-tactical formation, " - Yuri Kitten commented on the situation.

    The head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, has already promised to make every effort to find the murderers and force them to answer according to the law.

    However, those who have been fighting for the eighth year under Ukrainian flags have not been afraid of laws for a long time.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:05 pm

    Return fire, in the form of a suicide drone on the killers, should be in order. Tit for tat

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:33 am



    For some reason Russia is still accommodating this shill organization. The OSCE was acting as the spotters
    and spies for the UCK in Kosovo during the ethnic strife there in 1999.



    Indeed , everyone knows OSCE are spies for NATO ,that move to the other side ,to provide the exact location of targets to hit for ukro army to bomb .  they also use their drones to help ukraine with direct artillery guidance ,to hit donbass military positions . and when you say Russia what you mean by "Russia" ?

    who controls it ?  who runs the foreign policy of that nation ? aliens from space ?
    did Russia have a leader that dictates the foreign policy over ukraine?

    it takes courage ,to be honest and admit ,you are defending and praising the wrong person , when you refuse to call by the name those responsible for this stupid foreign policy over ukraine.

    where all this deaths happens is right next to Russian borders , why those "aliens from space"
    that controls Russia don't help Donbass and lugansk in their security ? wouldn't that be logical ,to russia provide all the equipment of security ,that pro russian rebels needs ,
    to protect their allies right at russian borders , fighting NATO armed ukronazis? scratch

    For 7 years already this games have been going , and those aliens from space ,that runs Russia foreign policy ,have been turning a blind eye of the civilians women and children bombed with artillery close to the demarcation line in the frontline , instead of removing them from danger
    and offering all civilians a place more safer to live in crimea and the main russia territory.
    No But what i do know .. perhaps is too much to ask for russia to evacuate all civilians from the
    combat zone and save their lives , so they dont bombed.by kiev. ?

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:15 pm

    Return fire, in the form of a suicide drone on the killers, should be in order. Tit for tat

    Sadly that is exactly what they want and they will have international media waiting with cameras to hopefully catch it on video so they can prove the aggressive rebels are the bad guys... no mention of the above operation will be mentioned...

    This is what the KLA did in Kosovo... find an albanian village that does not support you with men and equipment and murder some Serb police and military nearby and then sit back and watch the Serbs go in looking for the attackers to turn the village against them and in support of the KLA... except in this situation they just need a violent response to violence directed at anyone to prove they are victims.

    What they should do is pass on to Putin the message that negotiations and peace are not possible with the Orcs and separation and full autonomy is the only future path now and that the regime in Kiev will not be seen as the legitimate government of the Ukraine any more.

    Any attempt by Kiev to use force can then be an opportunity for revenge... this conflict is no where near over... look at the ukrainian units fighting each other for a good example ironically....

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:11 pm

    Desperation mounting in Kiev.

    Who do they think they are, almost demanding that their Lords and Masters give them stuff? I doubt that this approach is going down well in Washington and capitals across Europe.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stressed in a telephone conversation with UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson how important it is for western countries to make clear to Kiev what it needs to do to accede to NATO in the near future. The talks between the two heads of states took place on the eve of the meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization members in Brussels on Monday.

    "Volodymyr Zelenskyy noted the importance of a clear perspective of how Ukraine - which is carrying out reforms in the face of complex security challenges - could join the alliance," Zelenskyy's office said regarding the president's conversation with Johnson.

    The Ukrainian president went on to claim that Kiev has taken all the steps a country needs to to be given a timetable to join the military alliance.

    He separately said in an interview with Reuters, AP and AFP that he seeks a clear "yes" or "no" from US President Joe Biden regarding Ukraine's membership of NATO. He also asked POTUS to give his country some economic support.


    https://sputniknews.com/military/202106141083146418-zelenskyy-demands-yes-or-no-from-biden-western-states-on-ukraines-accession-to-nato/

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:33 pm

    The behaviour is not surprising. The whole Banderite Ukraine project is a rabid welfare bum spasm. They thought that they could
    leech off NATzO like leeched off the USSR and Russia. Things did not go as they wished and they are fuming mad.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:29 pm

    I know its not him but you can imagine it happening Laughing

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Desperation mounting in Kiev.

    Who do they think they are, almost demanding that their Lords and Masters give them stuff? I doubt that this approach is going down well in Washington and capitals across Europe.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stressed in a telephone conversation with UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson how important it is for western countries to make clear to Kiev what it needs to do to accede to NATO in the near future. The talks between the two heads of states took place on the eve of the meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization members in Brussels on Monday.

    "Volodymyr Zelenskyy noted the importance of a clear perspective of how Ukraine - which is carrying out reforms in the face of complex security challenges - could join the alliance," Zelenskyy's office said regarding the president's conversation with Johnson.

    The Ukrainian president went on to claim that Kiev has taken all the steps a country needs to to be given a timetable to join the military alliance.

    He separately said in an interview with Reuters, AP and AFP that he seeks a clear "yes" or "no" from US President Joe Biden regarding Ukraine's membership of NATO. He also asked POTUS to give his country some economic support.


    https://sputniknews.com/military/202106141083146418-zelenskyy-demands-yes-or-no-from-biden-western-states-on-ukraines-accession-to-nato/


    I'm just curious, do you think that without Crimea, Nato doesn't want Ukraine?

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:05 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    I'm just curious, do you think that without Crimea, Nato doesn't want Ukraine?

    Not sure about NATO as a whole (it seems Germany doesn't want them in) but there are a few reasons why the US has interests in Ukraine:

    - with, as you say Crimea, with its controlling position over the Black Sea, now gone probably the most interesting military reason now is flight time to Moscow and ICBM sites, for land attack and ABM missiles mainly.
    - another militarily useful is a 'frozen' conflict on Russia's borders allowing both poking Russia with NATO is coming crap as well as a reason for a continuing flow of significant aid (see below).
    - excellent military training grounds without the restrictions imposed in the West.
    - then politically it is good to have an ally on the Russian border and there are many supporters of Ukraine in Congress.
    - then financially the US, via its Word Bank/IMF/EU subsidiaries, has pumped the country full of debt.
    - a few juicy jobs for favoured ones.
    - and lastly, its endemic and systemic corruption makes it is a brilliant place to launder money, especially the 'put 20% in this bank when you get the money' scam.

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