Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #2

Tsavo Lion wrote:U can travel to other worlds by reading more books & watching youtube! Adversity build character.

GarryB wrote:The amusing thing is that travel is going to continue to be difficult because the experience with the virus will be different so letting people into a country from one area might lead to a different strain of the virus spreading that might reinfect people who had another strain in the current situation, so people who survived the previous strain might have to endure it all over again.

I suspect a lot of poor countries will have to accept that a percentage of their population are going to die and just let tourists in anyway... sort of a cull of the weak, because the consequences of no tourists will cost them a lot of badly needed income... or perhaps the start of every holiday in a new country starts with 2 weeks of isolation at $3-4 grand, and another two weeks when you go home... I suspect holidays are going to get much longer...

Tsavo Lion wrote:If u r so addicted to travel, than spending time in quarantine shouldn't affect u much.

GarryB wrote:
Why are you so desperate to leave all the time?

It is great here... trout season is due in a couple of days and no foreign tourists, so travelling around doing all sorts of fun things has never been easier here...

GarryB wrote:

I doubt that with a virus not much worse than a common flu...

Killed a lot of people and spreads very easily. If it is not a big deal why are you in quarantine?

Why are you not able to travel now if it is not a big deal?

Beside that, we already have a vaccine ready soon.

I don't think New Zealand will open up its borders to people who have been vaccinated, and so I would suspect many other countries would think the same.

I would guess a few of the poorer countries who depend on tourism would relax their borders just to start making money again but in doing so if they get sudden problems with mass infections... well they might close their borders just as fast... which could be a problem if you get trapped there... and other countries might see this and decide not to let their borders open either to avoid the problem...

The collapse of tourism is also a big problem for France.

Why don't you help your country and plan trips around France?

Why are you so desperate to leave all the time?

It is great here... trout season is due in a couple of days and no foreign tourists, so travelling around doing all sorts of fun things has never been easier here...

It kills not even 10% of what the common flu virus kills. Its deathrate is 0,0037%, which is same as the 2018 flu season.

And France has the most widespread area on the earth. 

Tsavo Lion wrote:More than 1 million people have now died of the coronavirus worldwide, less than nine months after the first death was confirmed in the Chinese city of Wuhan. The US, Brazil, India and Mexico account for more than 50% of the total death toll. What’s worse: Cases in these stricken countries are still skyrocketing. India recently surpassed 6 million cases, and 95,000 people have died in the country -- although Indian officials warn these numbers may be woefully underreported. More than 141,000 people have died of the coronavirus in Brazil, the second highest total in the world, and the US tops the grim list with more than 200,000 deaths. While the world holds out hope for a vaccine to curb the devastation (35 are now in human trials around the world), health experts worry that the death toll may double before any widespread relief is available. CNN

It kills not even 10% of what the common flu virus kills. Its deathrate is 0,0037%, which is same as the 2018 flu season.

Across all age groups, a mean of 127 092 (95% CI = 64 046-190,139) annual influenza-associated respiratory and circulatory deaths may occur in India.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7182391/



So, in 3 months more Indians may die of covid than of common flu.
The pandemic statistics r better viewed for each affected country separately.

And France has the most widespread area on the earth. 

u forgot about the UK- it has islands off N. & South America, in the S. Pacific, & Indian Ocean as well.
China + Taiwan & India r many times bigger than France & its possessions, but even if their borders r open & u wanted to travel there now, strict rules would be imposed to stop the virus' spread & reduce the death toll.

Isos wrote:You must be quite lost in your life to need to travel that much...

AristideTell me any distance a Chinese or Indian would have to fly that even remotely comes close to Paris - Noumea- didn't u complain that there r no direct non-stop flights between France & New Caledonia? There r large communities of Chinese & Indian diasporas in W. Europe, Africa, the Americas, & S. Pacific. The PRC & India operate scientific stations in the Antarctic, the most remote continent. wrote:To experince the world is a big part of my life.
Thats why France conquered half of the planet, while others just sit on their ass and never leave their farm...

Tsavo Lion wrote:

AristideTell me any distance a Chinese or Indian would have to fly that even remotely comes close to Paris - Noumea- didn't u complain that there r no direct non-stop flights between France & New Caledonia? There r large communities of Chinese & Indian diasporas in W. Europe, Africa, the Americas, & S. Pacific. The PRC & India operate scientific stations in the Antarctic, the most remote continent. wrote:To experince the world is a big part of my life.
Thats why France conquered half of the planet, while others just sit on their ass and never leave their farm...

Ur syllogism is amazing: "France conquered half of the planet", even if true, not because experiencing the world is/was a big part of ur or any1 else's life. 
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-syllogism.html


As discussed earlier on other threads, France bit more than she could chew & lost most of her colonies to others.

Tsavo Lion wrote:But the US $ is still a reserve currency- that makes all who use it to pay tribute to the US economy.  Ecuador has no other currency & Panama has both $ & Balboa.

GarryB wrote:

Visiting places has been awesome during corona. I went to a few places including Germany, Italy and Austria with the girlfriend this summer and it was like having the place to yourself.
The best thing? No masses of asian tourists. You can actually enjoy the places, absolutely phenomenal.

Most of the touristy places in New Zealand really put me off to be honest... so artificial and plastic... and very much like assembly line entertainment...

Everything is so much more expensive for no reason except greed.

Must rather go out into the countryside and have a pub meal and go for a walk or a hunt or both.

It kills not even 10% of what the common flu virus kills. Its deathrate is 0,0037%, which is same as the 2018 flu season.

Its lethality is probably no worse than the average flu, but it is 1,000 times more contagious...  even then wouldn't be a problem if people washed their hands and followed a few simple hygiene rules... but people are ignorant and lazy so we have to lock them up in isolation.

I do think New Zealand will open its borders to people who are vaccinated. New Zealand depends heavily on tourism. Its tourism is dieing. You can say your national airline goodbye, your entire tourism industry.

The problem is that the first vaccinations will likely be Russian so as a good little sycophant of the US we likely will deny it is real, and demand proof, so how could we then accept any other vaccine?

And as I said, I am not an international traveller so why should I care about the national airline... shut it down for 10 years while issues regarding safe international travel are worked out and then bring it back into life... they can focus on regional transportation in the mean time and down size. Close our airspace to other airlines so they don't have to compete with anyone...

You must be quite lost in your life to need to travel that much...

More worried about this travelling to learn... sounds like he gets more travelling done than lessons done sadly...

To experince the world is a big part of my life.

Thats why France conquered half of the planet, while others just sit on their ass and never leave their farm...

France murdered and thieved its way around the world for a few centuries so you can visit places where they speak French... interesting education you have had on your travels...

You will open by next year as evryone else or your economy gets killed off. 

Tsavo Lion wrote:More than 63 million people in India may have contracted Covid-19, according to a new study. That stunning figure is 10 times higher than the official tally for the country of 1.3 billion as officials acknowledge cases could be severely underreported. In the US, two new studies found coronavirus cases surged among young people just as colleges got back in session. It’s one harbinger of the increased fall and winter outbreaks so many medical experts have warned about. Some European leaders, like Germany’s Angela Merkel, have reinstated restrictions in preparation for a predicted winter surge. On a positive note, the World Health Organization has announced a deal to make about 120 million rapid Covid-19 tests available to low- and middle-income countries across the globe. And early data shows promising results from Regeneron's antibody cocktail to treat coronavirus patients. CNN

You will open by next year as evryone else or your economy gets killed off. 

The Tahiti tourism & Covid-19 situation isn't ging to be much better:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/trouble-in-paradise-an-example-of-why-some-are-reluctant-to-book-international-travel/


https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-new-zealand-french-polynesia-archive-tahiti-5b1830fc2e18c81478150567a8e55f56


https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/424929/tahiti-covid-19-surge-tops-500-cases

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/tahiti-now-open-to-tourism-heres-what-to-expect.html

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/12/paci-s12.html

This Virus is a joke and harmless.

Tsavo Lion wrote:More than 63 million people in India may have contracted Covid-19, according to a new study. That stunning figure is 10 times higher than the official tally for the country of 1.3 billion as officials acknowledge cases could be severely underreported. In the US, two new studies found coronavirus cases surged among young people just as colleges got back in session. It’s one harbinger of the increased fall and winter outbreaks so many medical experts have warned about. Some European leaders, like Germany’s Angela Merkel, have reinstated restrictions in preparation for a predicted winter surge. On a positive note, the World Health Organization has announced a deal to make about 120 million rapid Covid-19 tests available to low- and middle-income countries across the globe. And early data shows promising results from Regeneron's antibody cocktail to treat coronavirus patients. CNN