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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:14 pm

    I think that you cannot compare Ukraine and Russia.   Ukraine has deep seated historical divisions based on religion and occupation
    by Poland and Lithuania.   Ukraine was also destroyed in the wake of the Tatar-Mongol yoke.    Russians are not divided in this
    way and have a more solid self-identity.  

    What you are responding to is all the whiny bitches which are making the loudest noises.   They are actually a tiny minority that
    has managed to alienate fully the Russian majority.   One of the tricks of western propaganda is to focus attention on false
    narratives and insignificant stooges.   This crowds out reality and makes it appear that a handful of fringe loons are viable
    candidates for power.   You see this effort with Navalny.   So you can judge the whiner malcontent fraction of Russian society
    by the "crowds" this turd draws to his absurd rallies.   The numbers are a joke and the only reason most of the clowns who
    participate even turn out is because they are paid.   Recently they even complained that they were not paid for their demonstration
    services.  

    The reason you are not seeing all of these idiots in Canada is because of several aspects:

    1) Like all westerners, Canadians are brainwashed from birth about how good Canada is.   This
    culture originates partly from the fact that Canada is a country of immigrants.   People who abandon their home
    countries have a vested interest in extolling their place of arrival.  It is pure delusion.  The US is severely afflicted
    with this disease.   If left to their own, even western Europe would be maligned in North America, but propaganda
    by the elites counteracts this for western Europe and amplifies it for eastern Europe.

    2) The western and non-western MSM never gives malcontents a platform.  That doesn't mean that they
    do not exist.  

    3) Unlike in Canada, the USA and most of the west, people engage in political discussion in social contexts
    in Russia.   So there is no hiding of actual sentiments.   This is actually an indication of the real freedom level.
    In the so-called free west people are afraid to open up over important subjects like politics.  So they talk about
    irrelevant BS like sports and celebrities.    Whinging about Canada is socially unacceptable in Canada.   But
    in Russia you have the Cold War "dissidents" who feel that they are "freedom fighters" and "advocates for
    a better way of life".    

    So the whiny malcontents in Russia are a pathology of the USSR period.   Through repressive measures it
    created a seditionist subculture.   But this subculture is fading since it is based on outdated conditions
    and was never a majority of the population anyway.   That it has youth amongst its members is not an
    indication of vibrancy.   Children inherit the BS of their parents.   That is why social problems are so hard
    to rectify.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:03 pm

    Fair enough.

    But the major issue is how these libtards hijack the protests. While Commie wannabe's and Nationalists protest together (lol, yeah that makes me laugh), the dumbasses under Navalny team jump in. They are willing to hijack any movement.

    That is where things get seriously dangerous.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The hell were they thinking, even the EU vs EEU deal which started this mess was clear cut, Russia and China were offering $15 Billion, while the EU didn't even offer $1 Bill, like WTF.

    I seem to remember it was 7.5 billion in loans from the EU vs 15 billion in investments from Russia alone... Chinese investments were extra... and the guy making the decision was pro EU and anti Russian but he still rejected the EU offer because it was obviously the worst choice for Ukraine...

    Trip down memory lane, i guess.
    Yes this is off topic.

    China did more than just $5Billion.
    https://thediplomat.com/2013/12/sorry-ukraine-chinas-just-not-that-into-you/
    No idea where that 7.5Billion came from Sources state less then $900 Million in the initial loan, and a total of 3.8Billion Euros up to 2020.
    I thinks there's a mix up with the IMF loans.
    https://112.international/politics/eu-loans-how-ukraine-squandered-everything-and-was-left-without-finances-55741.html
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-russia-deal-special-report-idUSBRE9BI0DZ20131219
    https://www.ft.com/content/44ac447c-fac3-378e-8edd-c5cac68844bb

    Looks like i mixed up the euro-bond with this bailout or perhaps they're one and the same.
    Wiki confirmed the $15 Billion



    Even the Poles understood that this was F'ing stupid.



    They were trying so desperately to explain to these fools that the economy would burn, but to no avail.



    Look at these fools. (Didn't find the BBC one, but this will do.)



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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:06 am

    Instead of admitting they are wrong most people have a double-down reflex.   Banderastan is one big asylum of such losers.
    They will be pretending the shit sandwich they are eating has the best taste ever for the next several decades.   Russia needs
    to build a Trump wall to keep these 4th world slackers out.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:22 am

    Trip down memory lane, i guess.
    Yes this is off topic.

    In the sense that the crisis is a western coup and this was a previous successful coup whose basis was clearly falsified in the west (it was claimed the leader of the Ukraine was removed because he was pro Russia and he was anything but... he just had some common sense and knew a bad deal when he saw one... for which the Ukraine has been paying for ever since.

    Bolivia is very lucky that they were able to correct the problem peacefully though a democratic process that prevented a lot of unnecessary bloodshed... I am sure a few people were murdered, but they can now investigate that properly and there can be justice.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:36 pm

    (falsely attributed to Stalin).

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:18 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    (falsely attributed to Stalin).

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales


    Actually they are only good at PR and convincing ignorant idiots to buy into their nonsensical bullshit. Their narratives are usually utter garbage, and they rely on the ignorance of the dumbed down populations, and slavish amplication of their message (and suppression of alternative views) by the Corporate-controlled elite-owned MSM.
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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:32 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    (falsely attributed to Stalin).

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales


    Actually they are only good at PR and convincing ignorant idiots to buy into their nonsensical bullshit.  Their narratives are usually utter garbage, and they rely on the ignorance of the dumbed down populations, and slavish amplication of their message (and suppression of alternative views) by the Corporate-controlled elite-owned MSM.

    There was some analysis of this issue from my favourite PolitRussia youtube channel Laughing

    The positive coverage of Russia in western media is at the 2% level and mostly driven by Italy where it is 13%. In the USA it is 0.2%.
    And the positive coverage is based on old time cultural aspects and not on the modern situation (e.g. massive economic revival seen
    in Russia under Putin). Pure cheesy propaganda focused on demonization of Putin like some cartoon character is the norm. In
    terms of neutral coverage France is the leader in this regard. The French do not have the rabid hate for Russia that the Anglos do.

    The result of the cheesy western anti-Russian propaganda is that some US member of Congress posted a picture of the Pyotr Veliky
    cruiser on his website thinking it was an American ship. The Pavlovian conditioning from the western fake stream media propaganda
    spew meant that if he saw what looked like an impressive naval ship, then it must be American. It could not possibly be Russian
    (or even Chinese). This is not the only example where the MSM conditioning results in reflex thinking that is simply absurd.

    The western elites are so smart that they are stupid. It is clear that they drink of their own koolaid. Reality does not bend over
    for idiocy and always crushes myths and delusions when they are tested. Such as in wartime.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:52 pm

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:22 pm

    BTW

    Trip down memory lane, i guess.

    Thanks for injecting facts into the discussion... memory is not ideal... certainly mine anyway... I seem to remember the 7.5 in loans vs 15 in investment coming from an RT episode about the situation and explaining why an anti Russian Ukrainian leader would be picking box number Russia when they should be picking box number EU (Ewwww..).

    Instead of admitting they are wrong most people have a double-down reflex.

    You could call it the Frozen effect... when a character is introduced as being a bad guy it is really hard for the audience to accept later in the film when they turn out to actually be the good guy and the good guy turns out to be the bad guy.

    That would mean the western media was telling you lies and they can never admit to that, so turning out to actually be the good guy is never revealed... it is a secret... and they pile on other lies on top of that to confirm the original hypothesis... putin has billions in offshore accounts... but then if he did then why doesn't the all powerful US that controls all off shore banks and could destroy any that don't comply with its demands overnight not just freeze and then seize those funds to pay for the damage the all powerful Putin inflicts... like all the people he poisons and all the countries he invades and all the billionaires he wants to put in prison for crimes...

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales

    And they have been doing it for centuries... a good example is Russian Roulette.... a British invention from a British novel. Probably less offensive than Polish Roulette though. Russian Roulette is supposedly where you take an unloaded revolver and load one live round and spin the cylinder and put the gun to your own head and pull the trigger. They say a 1 in 6 chance of getting killed... but a couple of problems... first the standard Russian revolver is the Nagant revolver which has 7 chambers so it is actually a 1 in 7 chance of getting shot... a second problem is that the cylinders of revolvers don't spin like roulette wheels, and thirdly Russians don't have any such tradition... it is made up. Polish roulette is probably more offensive because it is played with an automatic pistol... you take the 15 shot empty magazine and you only put one round into it... insert the mag and rack the slide once and put it to your head and pull the trigger... no need to work out the chances of getting killed there if you think about it properly... which is why it is so offensive and derogatory to Poles...

    Their narratives are usually utter garbage, and they rely on the ignorance of the dumbed down populations, and slavish amplication of their message (and suppression of alternative views) by the Corporate-controlled elite-owned MSM.

    Very true, which also relies on blocking out alternative news sources too... and with the internet they are failing.

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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:22 pm

    LOL! America is very adamant in their pursuit of "Freedom of Navigation" in the South China Sea but when other countries does it near their shores they bitching??  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  I hope Russia invites Chinese vessels as well just to PlSS America even more  Cool



    ‘Are We Getting Invaded?’ U.S. Boats Faced Russian Aggression Near Alaska

    ANCHORAGE — The crew of the Bristol Leader was laying out its long cod-catching line well within U.S. fishing territory in the Bering Sea when a voice crackled over the VHF radio and began issuing commands: The ship was in danger, it said, and needed to move.

    The warnings, coming in a mixture of Russian and accented English from a plane buzzing overhead, grew more specific and more urgent. There was a submarine nearby, the voice said. Missiles were being fired. Leave the area.

    Other U.S. fishing vessels that were scattered over 100 miles of open sea were getting similar messages. Capt. Steve Elliott stood dumbfounded on the trawler Vesteraalen as three Russian warships came barreling through, barking orders of their own. On the ship Blue North, commands from a Russian plane led Capt. David Anderson to contact the U.S. Coast Guard, wondering how to protect his crew of 27.

    “It was frightening, to say the least,” Captain Anderson said. “The Coast Guard’s response was: Just do what they say.”

    The Russian military operations in August inside the U.S. economic zone off the coast of Alaska were the latest in a series of escalated encounters across the North Pacific and the Arctic, where the retreat of polar ice continues to draw new commercial and military traffic. This year, the Russian military has driven a new nuclear-powered icebreaker straight to the North Pole, dropped paratroopers into a high-Arctic archipelago to perform a mock battle and repeatedly flown bombers to the edge of U.S. airspace.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/russia-military-alaska-arctic-fishing.html

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:55 pm

    PhSt wrote:LOL! America is very adamant in their pursuit of "Freedom of Navigation" in the South China Sea but when other countries does it near their shores they bitching??  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  I hope Russia invites Chinese vessels as well just to PlSS America even more  Cool



    ‘Are We Getting Invaded?’ U.S. Boats Faced Russian Aggression Near Alaska

    ANCHORAGE — The crew of the Bristol Leader was laying out its long cod-catching line well within U.S. fishing territory in the Bering Sea when a voice crackled over the VHF radio and began issuing commands: The ship was in danger, it said, and needed to move.

    The warnings, coming in a mixture of Russian and accented English from a plane buzzing overhead, grew more specific and more urgent. There was a submarine nearby, the voice said. Missiles were being fired. Leave the area.

    Other U.S. fishing vessels that were scattered over 100 miles of open sea were getting similar messages. Capt. Steve Elliott stood dumbfounded on the trawler Vesteraalen as three Russian warships came barreling through, barking orders of their own. On the ship Blue North, commands from a Russian plane led Capt. David Anderson to contact the U.S. Coast Guard, wondering how to protect his crew of 27.

    “It was frightening, to say the least,” Captain Anderson said. “The Coast Guard’s response was: Just do what they say.”

    The Russian military operations in August inside the U.S. economic zone off the coast of Alaska were the latest in a series of escalated encounters across the North Pacific and the Arctic, where the retreat of polar ice continues to draw new commercial and military traffic. This year, the Russian military has driven a new nuclear-powered icebreaker straight to the North Pole, dropped paratroopers into a high-Arctic archipelago to perform a mock battle and repeatedly flown bombers to the edge of U.S. airspace.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/russia-military-alaska-arctic-fishing.html


    New York Slimes strike again! They never respected the Artic EEZ of Russia, so what's the point of bitching about EEZ's now? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:01 pm

    I have seen this sort of propaganda before.

    The law of the sea which every country and shipping fleet abides by gives the right of way to larger ships regardless of what
    the smaller boat is doing.

    There was a case several years ago when some US fishing boat sank after it collided with a Russian freighter near the
    US east coast. Every US fake stream piece on the incident tried to paint it as a some sort of crime by the larger ship.
    Larger ships can't change course as easily as small boats, so they clearly need to be given leeway. But reality and
    facts are of no importance to US propagandists.

    The other propaganda that we see in this piece is that the EEZ is being insinuated to be territorial waters. The EEZ
    is not even fully defined within maritime legal conventions. Freedom of navigation in international waters cannot be
    held hostage to activities of some parties.

    We also are not getting the full picture on the various provocations the US stages around Russia's borders and coasts
    routinely.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:11 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-cnn-host-compares-trumps-presidency-nazi-purge-jews

    CNN pulling its usual hysterical smear. Back in 1999 it was comparing Albanians leaving Kosovo on passenger trains
    into FYROM (Macedonia) with Jews being sent to death camps in cattle cars.

    Escaping to safety in safety = Going to your death in horrible conditions.

    Anyone who believes whatever narrative CNN is peddling is a moron.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:21 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-cnn-host-compares-trumps-presidency-nazi-purge-jews

    CNN pulling its usual hysterical smear.   Back in 1999 it was comparing Albanians leaving Kosovo on passenger trains
    into FYROM (Macedonia) with Jews being sent to death camps in cattle cars.

    Escaping to safety in safety = Going to your death in horrible conditions.

    Anyone who believes whatever narrative CNN is peddling is a moron.  


    When someone posts anything about CNN, I make sure to post this. Wink
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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:36 pm



    China has banned a "teacher" in Hong Kong from ever teaching again or stepping foot on school grounds.   This maggot
    was teaching children that the Opium Wars was really a generous effort by the British to help China.   In fact, the wars
    were due to China trying to ban imports of opium from the British colony India into China. The opium trade was a great
    racket for the British but cost the lives of millions of people both in India and China. In the case of India, opium production
    led to removal of vital farmland from supplying food which resulted in famines.

    The Hong Kong liberasts are now shrieking with indignation about "freedom of speech".    No you shit flies, freed of speech
    and expression does not justify lying about history.   Let this maggot go troll some internet fora with his BS instead of using
    his authority to abuse children.    And brainwashing is abuse.  

    We see yet again how those who claim to have a certain set of values never live by them and simply use this claim
    as a bludgeon to advance some rotten political agenda.   If the Hong Kong liberasts love the UK so much, then they
    should just bugger on off there.

    The video discusses how China is properly treating revisionist worms.   Russia needs to start acting against similar
    scum operating in Russia.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:25 pm

    lol1 Day by day they're getting more and more desperate, they went as far as printing the United Russia Party logo on bricks of cocaine to insinuate that VVP's oversees a coke trafficking operation! Rolling Eyes

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    This was seized at customs in Ghent, Belgium. The Belgian Wafflers aren't fooling anyone, the cocaine stash was from those vegetable Brussels Sprout UrinePeon politicians, and while were at it let's talk about the Opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan.

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:31 pm

    The west is transforming into an indiocracy so moronic propaganda stunts like Navalny and this coke is effective and keeping
    the sheeple conned. Fuck'em.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:51 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:lol1 Day by day they're getting more and more desperate, they went as far as printing the United Russia Party logo on bricks of cocaine to insinuate that VVP's oversees a coke trafficking operation! Rolling Eyes

    WTF.... was Putin's ID also found there? I run out of words gentlemen Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:52 am

    They have sent samples to US and German and Dutch labs... they wont be able to confirm it is Putins devils dandruff until they have detected particles of novachok... or residue thereof. Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:31 am

    GarryB wrote:They have sent samples to US and German and Dutch labs... they wont be able to confirm it is Putins devils dandruff until they have detected particles of novachok... or residue thereof.  Twisted Evil

    I would not be surprised if they "found" traces of novichoke in this studio prop.

    Everyone knows that summing up shit flinging accusations makes them more credible.

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:57 am

    This is all part of the plan to install Deep State heads in every country, even the "so called" democratic countries. The process is complete in Europe, Africa and Middle East. And now countries like India, Brazil are being targeted. Putin is also a pawn in the hands of these Western Deep state organizations.

    The West makes baseless allegations against Putin and Russia to divert the attention of gullible people at home from the antics of the Deep State to a foreign country.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:16 pm

    Sujoy wrote:This is all part of the plan to install Deep State heads in every country, even the "so called" democratic countries. The process is complete in Europe, Africa and Middle East. And now countries like India, Brazil are  being targeted.  Putin is also a pawn in the hands of these Western Deep state organizations.

    The West makes baseless allegations against Putin and Russia to divert the attention of gullible people at home from the antics of the Deep State to a foreign country.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:59 pm

    This should put a smile on GarryB's face! Very Happy

    For 15 Years Sweden Thought Enemy Submarines Were Invading Its Territory. It Turned Out To Be Herring Farts

    So it wasn't Ebil Russkie's after all? Wink

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