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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:09 pm

    One could buy Polonium as a private citizen since it was extensively used as an anti-static agent for car painting and photographic development. The dose allegedly
    given to Litvinenko was not in the kilogram range but microgram range, easily scavenged from commercial sources.

    I remember that it was mentioned at the time that Polonium is not just highly radioactive... ie if you killed someone using it and they were cremated the level of radiation from the polonium would still be present and show what killed the person without any autopsy being given... it is also rather expensive.... hundreds of thousands of dollars per gramme... but not one single reporter even speculated that this might have been a case of Polonium smuggling gone wrong... where the smuggler accidentally came into contact with the product and essentially killed themselves... which actually makes it rather funny.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:15 am



    Update: Jesus, this in-depth Military analyses is amazing, kvs and Mindstorm are gonna be blown away. Laughing
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:15 am

    GarryB wrote:
    One could buy Polonium as a private citizen since it was extensively used as an anti-static agent for car painting and photographic development.    The dose allegedly
    given to Litvinenko was not in the kilogram range but microgram range, easily scavenged from commercial sources.  

    I remember that it was mentioned at the time that Polonium is not just highly radioactive... ie if you killed someone using it and they were cremated the level of radiation from the polonium would still be present and show what killed the person without any autopsy being given... it is also rather expensive.... hundreds of thousands of dollars per gramme... but not one single reporter even speculated that this might have been a case of Polonium smuggling gone wrong... where the smuggler accidentally came into contact with the product and essentially killed themselves... which actually makes it rather funny.

    The most convincing explanation I have heard is that Litvinenko was killed by his former criminal associates because he had turned coat and was working with UK mil intel (after leaving the FSB where he was involved in tracking organised crime,  he went and joined the very crims he was tasked with countering).  His mafia chums were worried that he would rat them them out, so they whacked him.  One of their illicit schemes was nuclear materials smuggling (so had ready access to the stuff) and its postulated that they chose Po210 to send Litvinenko a clear message as to who was responsible and why. The role of the venomous dwarf Berezovsky in all this is shadowy but he's almost certainly involved in some way (he was probably equally unhappy that his pet FSB was in bed with British spooks).

    Lugovoi and Kovtun were not involved - Litvinenko had already been exposed by the time they met him, and he was a dead man (traitor) walking at that stage. cheers

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:51 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Update: Jesus, this in-depth Military analyses is amazing, kvs and Mindstorm are gonna be blown away. Laughing

    Gods above, but what a FUCKING IDIOT... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing He needs to stick to spruking for NordVPN cuz he sucks as a miltech commentator.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:21 am

    Lost me at, most of the 150 million population of Russia most of which live in poverty...

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:21 am

    Let me guess, another "wannabe" economist who just has no idea about Russia but uses his platform to get money by spewing shit.

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:Lost me at, most of the 150 million population of Russia most of which live in poverty...

    One has to ask why such drivel is considered analysis. Is hate fantasy projection a viable survival strategy for humans. Will NATzO triumph if it pretends
    it is superior? Looks to me like a lot of rabid insecurity and desperate attempts to compensate for it.

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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:29 pm

    Navalny probably poisoned by some corrupt goon he crossed his path, probably to make him sick, but not dead. Not related to Putin or Russian gov and definitely not Novichok.

    Now he was shown to be foreign actor if they are using him for sanctions. Russia will survive, but Navalny totally delegitimized himself. It was his wife and handlers who choose him flee Russia.

    Also, notice that there were no protests and Russian opposition already found replacements..It says alot, only people like us care about him.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:37 pm

    Regular wrote:Navalny probably poisoned by some corrupt goon he crossed his path, probably to make him sick, but not dead. Not related to Putin or Russian gov and definitely not Novichok.

    Now he was shown to be foreign actor if they are using him for sanctions. Russia will survive, but Navalny totally delegitimized himself. It was his wife and handlers who choose him flee Russia.

    Also, notice that there were no protests and Russian opposition already found replacements..It says alot, only people like us care about him.

    Gee, who was his replacement? Yashin? lol
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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:09 pm

    He took to much cocain. The west has to keep this secret. It would look bad. Their man in Russia a drug addict. Embarassed

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:41 pm

    Regular wrote:Navalny probably poisoned by some corrupt goon he crossed his path, probably to make him sick, but not dead. Not related to Putin or Russian gov and definitely not Novichok.

    Now he was shown to be foreign actor if they are using him for sanctions. Russia will survive, but Navalny totally delegitimized himself. It was his wife and handlers who choose him flee Russia.

    Also, notice that there were no protests and Russian opposition already found replacements..It says alot, only people like us care about him.

    Bullshit. Navalny fell victim to his own poor health, the logical outcome of being a diabetic but still indulging his cocaine and alcohol habits. FFS he was admitted to hospital in a diabetic coma and had zero symptoms of organophosphate poisoning.

    His bloodwork came up negative for toxins.  That singular fact doesn't go away just because some fucking comprador German in a NATO lab falsifies test results (or detects the minuscule trace quantities which Navalnys saline drip was adulterated with - an equally plausible scenario).

    The only thing more pathetic than this Novichok contrived shit-show are the legions of brain dead idiots who choose to drink the kool aid.  There is always some dumb clown who prefers to take the blue pill... No

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:42 pm

    This is why propaganda works. In the minds of millions of drones it will always be "plausible". Like the drivel about the "dangerous" Russian Covid-19 vaccine.
    Fling the shit, and in the minds of idiots it will appear to stick. So they repeat the tinfoil hat retarded MSM conspiracy theories as if they are scientific fact.

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    Post  Hole Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:43 pm

    https://johnhelmer.org/brain-poisoning-by-russian-nerve-agent-alexei-navalny-infects-german-chancellery/
    All you need to know. Cool
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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:33 pm



    Sanctimonious circle jerking from western prats.    On the surface their "arguments" seem plausible until you ask the question:

    If the placement of the launch centers is so horrible, why are the number of incidents so incredibly small?

    If there really was a callous disregard for lives, then spent rocket stages would be raining down on villages and towns
    every time a Chinese rocket was launched.   Instead we clearly have a sparse number of accidents.   In the cell phone
    video these clowns dance around with, you have a stage falling nearly vertically and then leaving an orange cloud
    upon impact.   This was clearly not a regular launch situation.

    China can be excused for not having vast empty land zones where to put its launch centers.   And if some clown is going
    to invoke the "put them on the coast" argument, the Chinese coastline is very densely populated so accidents
    can still result in rocket debris falling on populated areas.  

    These circle jerking asswipes should consider Obama's and other US presidents' drone warfare in the Middle East.
    For every 14% of supposedly legitimate targets they have 86% of collateral death among civilians.   So, how many
    Chinese have died from falling rocket debris and how many innocent civilians in the Middle East at the hands of
    US remote drone operators?   That is an example of actual callousness.

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:04 pm

    Here is a little observation that may be obvious to most but I think is worth noting. It is routine in the west to denigrate Russian/Soviet technology
    and technological and scientific capacity. If this is not simple racism, then it would be the supposed failure of totalitarian systems to deliver on these
    "human creativity" products. So the question then arises, how do you explain the wunderwaffen of the Nazis? I never hear any denigration of
    Nazi technology and in fact there is lots of awe expressed. Shouldn't the same totalitarian stifling of human creativity be at play?

    Obviously, what we have is pure anti-Russian racist hate spew. It has nothing to do with any system or "level of freedom". This gives western
    lemmings the delusion that Russians are not capable to mopping the floor with NATzO. This delusion translates into the never ending drang nach osten.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:51 am

    I never hear any denigration of
    Nazi technology and in fact there is lots of awe expressed. Shouldn't the same totalitarian stifling of human creativity be at play?

    Because western technology (space and other) is based on NAZI rocket technology...

    Ironically it was the weak rockets that made them work harder on micro electronics and with von Brown they were supposed to have the best Nazi rocket maker.... their problem was that the Soviets had some rocket pioneers of their own too...
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:13 pm

    Wunderwaffen aren't praised much nowdays. Mostly by wehraboos cuz amateur historians know very well they were crap.

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    Post  Regular Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:07 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Regular wrote:Navalny probably poisoned by some corrupt goon he crossed his path, probably to make him sick, but not dead. Not related to Putin or Russian gov and definitely not Novichok.

    Now he was shown to be foreign actor if they are using him for sanctions. Russia will survive, but Navalny totally delegitimized himself. It was his wife and handlers who choose him flee Russia.

    Also, notice that there were no protests and Russian opposition already found replacements..It says alot, only people like us care about him.

    Bullshit. Navalny fell victim to his own poor health, the logical outcome of being a diabetic but still indulging his cocaine and alcohol habits. FFS he was admitted to hospital in a diabetic coma and had zero symptoms of organophosphate poisoning.

    His bloodwork came up negative for toxins.  That singular fact doesn't go away just because some fucking comprador German in a NATO lab falsifies test results (or detects the minuscule trace quantities which Navalnys saline drip was adulterated with - an equally plausible scenario).

    The only thing more pathetic than this Novichok contrived shit-show are the legions of brain dead idiots who choose to drink the kool aid.  There is always some dumb clown who prefers to take the blue pill... No

    He had many enemies in his own circles, and am I crazy to say that there's a reason why he was photographed while drinking and he was filmed in the plane?

    It looks staged.

    There are plenty of substances who are quite strong and undetectable. Ricin poisoning could be mistaken for health issues and something like that could be easily administered by people who were following him. No way to tell.

    Navalny is politically dead now, he's forgotten. He should have stayed in Russia. Germany lies about Novichok because US told them to.

    This is why there's no real opposition in Russia.. you get used like a tool and then disposed.
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    Post  kvs Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:32 pm



    The rag known as the "National Interest" bewails the fact that Russia is better prepared for any military conflict in the Arctic
    than NATzO. It attributes this to the Soviet legacy.

    Such BS is epic in its inanity. The current Russian economic development in the Arctic is massive and new. The USSR talked
    a great deal about exploiting Arctic resources but did nothing. Delusional NATzO twerps think that all those new bases
    and equipment in the Arctic (e.g. S-400, Arctic Tor) are some Soviet legacy. And they think they are credible.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:37 pm

    They try to make excuses for their incompetence so they just say it's because of Russia's Soviet legacy.

    Because, how could Russia build such impressive facilities and such in the Arctic if it's so darn poor?

    In that itself it would destroy their narrative.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:24 pm

    USSR wanted to materialize their wishes in the artic but they didn't have the technology...the artic was a much different place back in their time.
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    Post  calripson Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:37 pm

    US politicians, the Deep State, and media are aghast - aghast at the prospect of a foreign country "influencing" US elections. Meanwhile

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=netanyaho+key+to+white+house.

    Kind of redundant. You don't need someone to give you the keys to something you already own.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:36 am

    If you watch the mainstream Russian news channels they are no different...
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    Post  Isos Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:23 am

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/vladimir-poutine-destabilise-par-la-miraculeuse-resurrection-berlinoise-d-alexei-navalny-20200918

    lol1

    A french media talking about the "resurection" of Nalvany lol1 .
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:54 am

    Isos wrote:https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/vladimir-poutine-destabilise-par-la-miraculeuse-resurrection-berlinoise-d-alexei-navalny-20200918

    lol1

    A french media talking about the "resurection" of Nalvany lol1 .

    Putin needs to apply the recent constitutional changes and ban Navlany from ever returning to Russia. Outside of Russia he is much more irrelevant
    than he already was inside Russia. Those Russian citizens who will feel that this is a great indignity and "violation of humans rights" can pack their
    bags, get on a plane and travel to their NATzO utopia.

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