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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:58 pm

    From about 8:00 onwards this vid basically lays out how the same neo-colonial practices by the British elites and financial institutions that ostensibly are bringing in all these profits for Britain, are at the same time driving income inequality at home in Britain and pricing ordinary people out of property and leading to declining social services. Pretty interesting

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:43 pm

    This gent seems to be pretty spooked about the imminent threat of conflict between Russia and NATO. He's a UKIP candidate and quite well known in British nationalist circles.



    Now I think he's yet being a little premature, although we're certainly getting there fast. However he does seem to have some interesting info, such as that Rishi Sunak doesn't want to be a 'wartime PM' and that this may be the primary reason why he called the elections in Britain. Would also make sense considering that Sunak is planning to move to America as soon as he's out. And from there off to the doomsday bunker I suppose bounce

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:07 am

    Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is now standing as an independent in his constituency for these general elections



    He's been regaining some political capital over the past year due to his strong stance on Palestine.

    He's not the name he once was, and won't be, but he is someone who can compete for labour's votes head on and win; while Nigel Farage's Reform party will primarily be stealing votes from the conservatives and drawing in formerly apolitical people who are concerned about immigration.

    So we're starting to see a situation where the establishment 2-party consensus is being challenged both from the left and the right.

    For what concerns the left, it is as yet weak. There is George Galloway's seat, Corbyn's if he maintains his, and there are some small parties such as the Revolutionary Communist Party who have made some inroads with candidacies but whether they will win any seats is another question.

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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:12 am

    Labour in power after 14 years

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jul/04/uk-general-election-results-2024-live-in-full

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    Post  nomadski Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:48 am

    Labour won ? I think people who work for a living " won . " Not Labour , not the ideology of Labour , not socialism . I think the working class has arrived in body but not spirit . I think the hunter - gatherers spirit has arrived , but it's body departed !

    How else do we explain the huge number of Dogs on the streets of the UK ? And no it is more than a favourite aristocratic practice , repeated by the poor proles now ! It is because the European population arrived quickly from hunter-gatherers economy into industrial economy . In the middle East , there was a long agricultural phase , where Dogs became useless and Cats gained importance as Rat catchers to protect the grain .


    And why should this concern me ? Because I know that for humanity to survive , it needs to achieve a symbiotic relationship within and without itself . A kind of communism if you like . But I also know that it is the time for Dogs on the street . The body is willing , but lacks spirit . And , I ,  becoming now a mere " progressive , " is neither going to save my children or yours ! Or the Ducks in the pond !  It is not enough !!

    Rolling Eyes

    So is it Dog eat Dog or a Rat race ? Is there a difference ?

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:55 am

    Nigel Farage is ‘coming for Labour’ after ‘the end’ of the Tories, 07.05.2024.

    The Reform UK leader has been elected as a member of parliament on his eighth attempt.

    Eurosceptic firebrand Nigel Farage won a seat in the UK parliament for the first time in Thursday's general election, defeating his Conservative challenger in the Essex constituency of Clacton, and promising to mount a strong opposition to Labour.

    Farage called his victory “the first step of something that is going to stun all of you,” pledging to turn his Reform UK party into the main opposition. The former Brexit Party, created in 2018, is projected to win 13 out of 650 seats.

    “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it,” he said, claiming: “this is the beginning of the end of the Conservative Party.”

    The Tories have suffered their worst-ever election defeat, securing only 131 seats, according to exit polls and early results. Before Prime Minister Rishi Sunak dissolved parliament and called a general election, the ruling party held 344 constituencies.

    Farage proclaimed that his party would “now be targeting Labour votes,” and cited polls suggesting the centre-left landslide was motivated by resentment against the Conservatives, rather than confidence in the incoming prime minister, Keir Starmer.

    What is interesting is, there’s no enthusiasm for Labour, there’s no enthusiasm for Starmer whatsoever. In fact, about half of the vote is simply an anti-Conservative vote,” he said. “We’re coming for Labour, be in no doubt about that.”

    Farage served as a member of the European Parliament (MEP) from 1999 until the UK’s withdrawal from the EU in 2020, but had never previously been elected to the British parliament.

    Ahead of the election, Farage was accused of being a Moscow sympathizer after he blamed NATO expansion in Europe for the Ukraine conflict. During a BBC interview last month he claimed the US-led bloc gave the Russian government an excuse to rally domestic support for the military operation.

    Russian Ambassador to the UK Andrey Kelin said he expected accusations of election interference, but that the change of government was unlikely to alter Britain’s policy towards Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/news/600466-nigel-farage-uk-election/

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:08 pm

    From a comment on YouCrap

    Reform UK got 4,076,645 votes but only 4 seats in Parliament, Liberal Democrat got 3,451,969 votes and 70 seats, what a great system we have in the UK, truly the envy of the world.

    First past the post is a corrupt electoral system. The German mixed model where half the representatives are selected based on the popular vote is much more representative.
    But this is not a panacea for the retardation of the voters. Bipolar chimps who vote for only two parties that are effectively one. Memory retention and awareness capacity of
    a flea.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:27 pm

    The leader of the Labour Party, Keir Starmer, becomes the new British Prime Minister, 07.05.2024.

    The leader of the Labour Party, Keir Starmer, officially became the 58th prime minister of the United Kingdom after an audience with King Charles III, Sky News reported. Within a day, Starmer will announce the new composition of the British government. His predecessor Rishi Sunak led the Government from 25 October 2022 till date.

    "Sir Keir Starmer has become prime minister following an audience with the King [Charles III] at Buckingham Palace. The king has asked Sir Keir to become prime minister and form a new government following the convincing election victory," the outlet reported.

    With the preliminary counting completed in 621 of the 650 constituencies, Labour wins 403 seats (+204). The Conservatives, after 14 years in government, remain with 111 (-239); the Liberal Democrats achieve 68 (+60); the Scottish National Party (SNP), seven (-38); and the other parties, 32 (+13).

    According to the electoral system in force in the United Kingdom (single-name majority voting, or first-past-the-post, for its name in English), the person with the most votes in each constituency is elected and leaves the candidates of the other parties without representation. The political formation that gets more deputies than the rest forms a government and its leader automatically becomes prime minister.

    Yandex Translate from Spanish.

    https://latamnews.lat/20240705/el-lider-del-partido-laborista-keir-starmer-se-convierte-en-el-nuevo-primer-ministro-britanico-1155939873.html

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:11 pm

    kvs wrote:From a comment on YouCrap

    First past the post is a corrupt electoral system.    The German mixed model where half the representatives are selected based on the popular vote is much more representative.
    But this is not a panacea for the retardation of the voters.   Bipolar chimps who vote for only two parties that are effectively one.   Memory retention and awareness capacity of
    a flea.


    It's a fair system at least in this regard, it's simply all or nothing. The candidate/party which wins the constituency wins the seat in the House of Commons. The ones who come in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc... place get nothing.

    Reform only actually won in 4 places in the UK, despite millions of votes cast and plenty of strong showings elsewhere too.

    Regardless I think this result was about expected. Farage will be in the Commons now. Corbyn too by the way. Galloway actually lost his seat.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:27 pm

    In Kanada we have 30% popular vote parties getting absolute parliamentary majorities.   This is utter BS.   At least in U-rope the
    "losing" parties can form a coalition.   For example two left of centre parties who have most of the popular vote getting a parliamentary
    coalition majority against the real minority right of centre party.    First past the post prevents fair coalitions.

    Ultimately, it is the sheeple who are to blame since they don't have the awareness and intellectual fortitude to vote real alternatives.
    But the first past the post system is designed to keep "fringe" alternatives out of office and create an entry barrier.    It leverages the
    sheeple mentality to consolidate the same two (plus one in Kanada) parties in power forever.

    The first past the post system also creates something called gerrymandering where electoral district boundaries are changed to facilitate
    the desired number of seats to the incumbent party. I am sure that gerrymandering is not a thing in Germany.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:39 pm

    kvs wrote:Ultimately, it is the sheeple who are to blame since they don't have the awareness and intellectual fortitude to vote real alternatives.
    But the first past the post system is designed to keep "fringe" alternatives out of office and create an entry barrier.    It leverages the
    sheeple mentality to consolidate the same two (plus one in Kanada) parties in power forever.

    The first past the post system also creates something called gerrymandering where electoral district boundaries are changed to facilitate
    the desired number of seats to the incumbent party.   I am sure that gerrymandering is not a thing in Germany.


    Exactly, it's the British public themselves that are voting for establishment parties. If not one then the other. Hence the results. And I'm being a touch strict with my label of 'establishment party' as of course Reform has also secured the support and funding of part of the British elite, and is not straying from the prevailing Orthodoxy on needing to support Ukraine, stand up to the Chinese and so on - Farage has injected a touch of nuance to the discussion, but nothing more than that. Reform represent their own part of the establishment.

    The all or nothing regional election system itself is not to blame. In fact it encourages regional interests and local democracy more than a system which will simply elect the amount of MPs of a party to parliament dependent on how many raw votes it got around the country. Instead political parties have to contest each constituency fiercely and pay attention to all specific local issues.

    Now of course if the criticism is that it takes money and the support of the elites to even form a viable political party in the first place, and the largest establishment parties are able to use their funding and their connections to get more media coverage, buy the loyalties of the more talented politicians, conspire against lesser parties together to maintain a duopoly, and so on - then yes, quite right, but that's what all plutocracies have in common. It's always the rule of the rich. And Reform's subsequent success will depend on them securing more funding and assuring Britain's monied classes that they will defend their interests.

    It's quite possible that Reform will eventually advocate for a more pragmatic approach to Russia, and to China, emphasising trade ties and the new realities in the world. Sure. They have the flexibility to do that where the older political parties with their tired old rhetoric and thinking simply do not. But don't expect anything like that until Reform gets a larger amount of seats and Trump is re-elected and sets the trajectory of the US too.

    The more I think on it, actually, the more I realize that Reform has achieved the exact result that they themselves were hoping for. They weren't angling for some sort of voting bloc or legislative influence in the House of Commons. Britain is at present and will be for a while, a sinking ship, no matter what policies are enacted. It will take years to set the country right, and some things are simply outside of its control, such as the energy prices or the emergence of an alternative financial order and overseas clients repatriating their wealth from Britain.
    Under such a circumstance, Reform wouldn't want to have any real power, as then they would be held responsible for the deterioration of the country. Instead Labour will be held responsible, while Reform can take the cushy position of being a kind of opposition in the wings, able to broadcast its voice and criticize the incumbent leadership at every junction, steadily building up their own profile.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:18 pm

    So Keir Starmer seems to have some history with British intelligence, as well as the judiciary



    It's funny as the new Dutch PM, Dick Schauf, also had a role in Dutch intelligence and the Dutch judiciary too

    Two is too early to tell a trend, but maybe there are other European candidates with similar histories too. Seems the US and the establishment in Europe are shoring up their positions by installing more trusted and tightly controlled candidates into power.

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