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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:49 am

    Come on, GarryB. Buy low and sell high is the very heart of business.

    Of course it is, but it becomes a scam when you demand your suppliers ship lots of that high cost product locally in bulk when the prices are high so they can keep it ready in storage for when the prices drop and you can buy it at a cheaper price.

    They would never accept Russia doing the opposite of that, so why do they expect Russia to ship gas that has not been ordered by anyone to fill their storage tanks?

    Contracts are the happy medium where both sides best serve their interests. The problem is that energy is so political in the modern era.

    The EU believed they could shift to short term contracts and then buy when it was super cheap and not buy when it wasn't and therefore pay rather less than a low rate very long term contract price.

    But they are the idiots because gas prices don't work like that and they got burned, and now they want Russia to bail them out with cheap gas they have not ordered.

    The greens have promised that the transition to the renewable utopia will be free. It's not. But they won't take the blame when things go awry. They will blame the Russian bear. I'm not saying that's right. It's just the way it is.

    Not just the greens... all the unelected idiots at the EU thought they were going to get even cheaper energy by screwing the Russians and the result is that they are paying much more for their gas now than if they had simply done what Russia wanted and sign low price long term gas contracts.... stability is what keeps gas prices down, not volatile market forces.

    The case of Poland is amusing in this regard... they took Gazprom to european biased one eyed court and won the right to change their orders because for a while the gas price, which was linked to the oil price made it a little more expensive than market prices at the time... they took Gazprom to court over this and won the right for cheaper gas, but in the mean time the market price for the gas has gone up and the price for oil has not so under the old price calculation rules they would be getting gas much cheaper now... and they would have saved a lot of money and 5 years worth of lawyers fees if they had just shut up and waited for things to balance out. Instead they had a court case and now are paying rather more than they would have if they had done nothing and now they want to go back to the old way of paying for gas that they objected to in the court case.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:38 am

    lancelot wrote:The SMR reactors are another scam and haven't been built or in operation anywhere in the world.

    There are Rosatom building small floating nuclear power plants.
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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:48 pm

    The natural gas "market" does not apply to pipeline gas since the spot market can only ever deal with LNG. LNG can be shipped
    in tankers like oil so it sort-of has the same unbound commodity dynamic. The Stockholm kangaroo court ruling is pure Kafkaesque
    obscenity since it extended LNG tanker prices to contracted pipelines. It just willy nilly overrode the contracts. Some "arbitration"
    court. It only ever had any jurisdiction to settle substantial disputes and not crybaby tantrum demands. Gazprom's contracts
    followed all the norms. Gazprom never extorted anything from Poland and the other clowns. The "extortion" claimed by Pooland
    is the ludicrous one where the spot LNG price falling to $40 per tcm (uncompressed) was retroactively applied back to 1996 even
    though this pricing had no relevance at any time. The kangaroo court decided that Gazprom denied Pooland its just price all the
    way back in 1996 based on dumping of LNG on the EU market by the US which was clearly engaged in some inane attempt to
    displace Gazprom as the EU's main external supplier. Pooland agreed to the contract formula set out by Gazprom. But the kangaroo
    court decided that Pooland had no obligations when it signed the contract. Thus the whole concept of a contract was nullified.

    Maybe if Gazprom put a gun to Pooland's collective head in 1996 and forced it to sign the contract, then Pooland would have a case.

    Anyone who thinks institutions such as the Stockholm Arbitration Tribunal are independent and not tools of the puppet masters
    that run the west is an idiot.

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    Post  Autodestruct Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:30 am

    GarryB wrote:but it becomes a scam when you demand your suppliers ship lots of that high cost product locally in bulk when the prices are high so they can keep it ready in storage for when the prices drop and you can buy it at a cheaper price.

    That's blowing hot air, but not a scam. It's dirty politics. If there is a scam it is that the politicians have overpromised the virtues of trying to rapidly transform their economies away from fossil fuels.

    GarryB wrote:Not just the greens... all the unelected idiots at the EU thought they were going to get even cheaper energy by screwing the Russians and the result is that they are paying much more for their gas now than if they had simply done what Russia wanted and sign low price long term gas contracts

    Ok, I agree with you here. It's not just the greens. It's a whole coalition of vested interests and includes security state hawks and such too. I think we can agree on that.
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    Post  Autodestruct Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:38 am

    Arrow wrote:There are Rosatom building small floating nuclear power plants.

    Those are different. When you are looking to construct a powerplant in remote locations such as middle-of-nowhere, Siberia, you can put down the costs to ship and assemble all the materials (rebar, concrete, miles of various cabling, steel beams, fabricated components, etc.) and the supporting infrastructure there (housing, transportation to the site, and amenities for the construction workforce), or you can build it in an already equipped shipyard and simply tow it to the site when it's finished.

    It's a good idea, even if it is for niche applications.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:44 am

    I was talking about the US NuScale SMR being a scam. They haven't built a single one. None are in operation. Yet they are proposing to sell loads of them to Poland and Romania and other deluded governments. It is basically a small LWR but it doesn't even have proper containment. They claim it doesn't need containment (which is BS). They also want to build these in large quantities close to urban centers.

    The Akademik Lomonosov uses well established naval reactors used in icebreakers of KLT-40S design and later variations will have naval RITM-200 or 400 reactors. The RITM-200 reactor is already in service on icebreakers and the 400 is just an upscale of that. Rosatom is using these reactors in far away locations in the Arctic where other forms of power are not as viable. It is quite different from proposing to use these in urban centers. Let alone in the dozens.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:30 am

    lancelot wrote:

    . Rosatom is using these reactors in far away locations in the Arctic where other forms of power are not as viable. It is quite different from proposing to use these in urban centers. Let alone in the dozens.

    Yes, but if you take a suitable decision, Rosatom can build small nuclear power plants in urban areas. Technically, it's already getting up. Rosatom has even smaller reactors but for now only for military applications.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:04 am

    That's blowing hot air, but not a scam. It's dirty politics. If there is a scam it is that the politicians have overpromised the virtues of trying to rapidly transform their economies away from fossil fuels.

    It is a scam when you cry you are being raped by the big bad Russians to try to get them to give you better cost terms on gas deliveries.

    It is a scam all round.


    Ok, I agree with you here. It's not just the greens. It's a whole coalition of vested interests and includes security state hawks and such too. I think we can agree on that.

    When you control the court system that decides who is right of course you want to take every outside organisation to court to "decide" on what is fair... such courts are jokes, whether they are tools to prosecute African country leaders or Serbs, and in this case they were used to force a Russian company into a gas deal it never negotiated with Poland... the fact that Poland is now unhappy and want to go back to the old contract before the court ruling just shows how dumb these Europeans are...

    Those are different. When you are looking to construct a powerplant in remote locations such as middle-of-nowhere, Siberia, you can put down the costs to ship and assemble all the materials (rebar, concrete, miles of various cabling, steel beams, fabricated components, etc.) and the supporting infrastructure there (housing, transportation to the site, and amenities for the construction workforce), or you can build it in an already equipped shipyard and simply tow it to the site when it's finished.

    It's a good idea, even if it is for niche applications.

    It is actually brilliant as long as they can make sure it is safe.... there are plenty of locations in the Siberian north where heat and electricity make things easier and being able to sail one or more of these things into place to provide heat for a settlement as well as reliably constant electrical supply cannot be underestimated.

    Imagine at some stage Europe having problems keeping the lights on and Russia sailing a dozen reactors into EU ports and plugging in to the grid to help avoid blackouts, which are terribly disruptive to industry and normal life.

    It will further help a shift to all electric use in the more isolated regions of Russia.... the heat would be valuable on its own in some places but in other places like the Middle East or Island nations it might be fresh water in a desalination plant that might be critical.

    Their mobility is a virtue.

    I personally think we could do with one in New Zealand.... being a long narrow country the far north could do with a nuclear reactor because all the hydro electric stuff is in the deep south away from the major population centres.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:31 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:This reminds me of what happened today in Finland. Finnish president Sauli Niinistö met with Vladimir Putin for the first time in two years.

    One of the things that was discussed was timber trade between Russia and Finland. Finnish forest industry is currently quite dependent on timber imports from Russia because Russian timber is very cheap compared to Finnish timber. Finnish forest owners sell timber with very high price compared to imports from Russia.

    Importing timber from Russia has also been lucrative for Finnish companies because Russia doesn’t require forestry companies to re-plant the forests that they cut. In Finland the companies that cut forests have to do the re-planting that costs a lot of money. So these companies save a lot of money when they go to Russia and just cut the forest, take the timber to Finland and then leave. These companies have been treating Russian Karelia as their colony and basically raping Russian forests for the last 30 years or so.

    But in 2020 the Russian government made a decision that by 2022 Russia will prohibit exporting Russian timber abroad. With this decision the Russian government wanted to help to develop forest industry in Russia. This would also mean big troubles for these Finnish companies. So Russia received a lot of negative publicity because of this.

    Last month Russian government started make preparations for this. The Saimaa canal which connects the Gulf of Finland to Finnish river network is used to transport Russian timber to Finland. It is a cheap and efficient way to transport Russian timber here. The Russian government announced that in a near future transport of timber out of Russia will be prohibited in Saimaa canal. This announcement caused a lot of anger in Finnish press.

    But today – according to the Finnish press – president Putin promised Niinistö that he will talk to Russian officials to have this decision reversed because Putin doesn’t want to see Finnish industry suffer.

    This would great news for my country Finland that can continue to rape Russian forests, but oh man… what a moron this man is! I mean Putin! I don’t know why does he have this very odd, very strange desire to make goodwill gestures to countries that more or less openly detest him and Russia. Does he think he will get something in return? Does he think that these countries will like him more? If so, he is truly in idiot. These gestures are not seen as anything else than stupidity and weakness, and quite rightly so.

    Now let’s see if Russian officials and government are strong enough to resist Putin. I believe that there are many good people in Russian government who have a great desire to develop Russia. I can also imagine that many of them are getting increasingly tired of Putin.


    Dunno, sounds like quite a good maneuver

    Russia basically gave up nothing, it just returned the previous status quo, after of course letting the Finns understand how dependent they are on Russia. Russia might even add extra conditions this time to limit deforestation but Finland will still 'owe' Russia for this one.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:13 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Dunno, sounds like quite a good maneuver

    Russia basically gave up nothing, it just returned the previous status quo, after of course letting the Finns understand how dependent they are on Russia. Russia might even add extra conditions this time to limit deforestation but Finland will still 'owe' Russia for this one.
    No reason that the Finns can't contribute to replanting costs. Long term its in their interests.

    Meanwhile I haven't seen much comment on the Russians slowing or stopping coal exports.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:39 am

    Why stop selling coal?

    If countries need it and want to buy it then Russia should sell it to them.

    Perhaps talk to them about carbon capture options or carbon offset systems too and make even more money perhaps, but many countries in the world are not so rich they can switch so easily.

    It is like a human society... it is easy for the rich to switch and add solar power and expensive low energy material and insulate their houses better to cut heating and cooling costs, but for poor people who have to get short term loans to pay for grocery bills so they can eat then obviously switching to clean green technology is not so easy or simple.

    The shift to new technology all electric vehicles and systems like ships and even aircraft and of course cars and motorbikes etc etc the efficiency of handling and storing and using electricity will improve and while it has only been a few years now when solar power and wind power have been taken seriously over time they will improve and get more efficient and more reliable... ie at the moment peak power is in direct sunlight but even a small cloud can effect performance and that effect can be rather random during the day... quite unpredictable.

    The core of the problem is centralising power generation... having a power station for a town or city means you get very variable power usage that could occur at any time day or night so continuous power generation is the best... but instead of batteries imagine carbon graphene capacitors 100 times smaller and lighter than current batteries able to take much more charge and be used hundreds of thousands of times in any temperatures... you could have a garden shed sized capacitor bank that stores extra solar energy during summer to use in winter for instance, and perhaps it is windier in the winter where you live...

    We have only just started investing in green technologies so really we have only just scratched the surface... the Oil and Gas industries have bought up and sat on alternative technologies for quite some time in fear they would lose income having done so many bad things to secure oil sources, cheap energy is not something they want you to access...
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:36 am

    GarryB wrote:Why stop selling coal?

    If countries need it and want to buy it then Russia should sell it to them.

    FP responded on this in the Ukraine thread.

    Russia has only stopped or slowed particular grades of coal into Ukraine as they need them themselves. Apart from that its boom time for shipments to the World.
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:39 am

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:46 pm

    Looks like the brazen bias in western "legal" institutions is becoming uncomfortable. All of these kangaroo tribunal decisions against
    Russia are transparently nonsensical. The Dutch one even went as far as staging a mock trial to exonerate Khodorkovsky even though
    it did not have any such jurisdiction and did not have the process to do a trial (e.g. evidence and witnesses). It used western fake
    stream media reports as "evidence".

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:58 pm

    kvs wrote:Looks like the brazen bias in western "legal" institutions is becoming uncomfortable.   All of these kangaroo tribunal decisions against
    Russia are transparently nonsensical.   The Dutch one even went as far as staging a mock trial to exonerate Khodorkovsky even though
    it did not have any such jurisdiction and did not have the process to do a trial (e.g. evidence and witnesses).   It used western fake
    stream media reports as "evidence".


    Agreed.  I interpret this latest twist as the adults in the (Dutch) room trying to put an end to the rambunctious nonsense from their children. They were so shamed at their bad behavior that they were forced to take some action. Laughing

    In any case, regardless of the result of this politically-inspired lawfare, Russia won't give a single fucking kopek to these thieves, liars, charlatans and 5th columnist traitors. Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:50 am

    Honestly I prefer when they are anti Russian as it further justifies Russia ignoring European based "world court" systems... just an extension of the world wide crime spree that was colonialism for the past thousand years or so.

    The Russian constitution means any judgement either way means nothing anyway.

    Russian courts have dealt with this case and the decision is final.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:37 pm

    Poster is journalist at Bloomberg so info should be OK. Russia supplying Poland via NS1 again.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:44 am

    Has Poland got any gas on order from Russia for them to deliver or are they up to date with their contracted deliveries.

    If it is the latter then of course gas supplies will stop... why would they deliver gas to Poland if Poland has not ordered any gas?

    This is the usual EU bullshit distorting the facts to make it look like Russia is doing something wrong.

    If they were stopping gas supplies and there was contracted gas supplies that were paid for then the story would be very different, but clearly because Russia is not doing anything wrong they are implying wrong doing instead.
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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:29 am

    It is a non story. The only reason this flow pattern is being hyped up is because foaming at the mouth Russia haters
    in U-rope are looking for "evidence" to back up their hate spew.

    Since Poland did not contract more supplies from Gazprom, it is getting them from Germany. Poland acts like
    Ukria and postures about not being dependent on Russian "blackmail" gas. Since there is no virtual reverse
    flow, there is physical reverse flow from Germany.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:43 am

    Poland is building that pipeline to Norway which syphons gas that would otherwise go to Germany. It also made LNG facilities and contracted to buy "freedom" molecules from the US. There were also rumors they wanted to nationalize the Yamal gas pipeline taking it away from Gazprom. So I think they deserve whatever they are getting.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:28 am

    lancelot wrote:Poland is building that pipeline to Norway which syphons gas that would otherwise go to Germany. It also made LNG facilities and contracted to buy "freedom" molecules from the US. There were also rumors they wanted to nationalize the Yamal gas pipeline taking it away from Gazprom. So I think they deserve whatever they are getting.
    One wishes they just up and have the balls to just do it, just to see the shitstorm that would ensue.

    Its a gas pipeline numb nuts; its useless without the product flowing. And the gas won't flow unless the Russians say so.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:31 am

    lancelot wrote:Poland is building that pipeline to Norway which syphons gas that would otherwise go to Germany. It also made LNG facilities and contracted to buy "freedom" molecules from the US. There were also rumors they wanted to nationalize the Yamal gas pipeline taking it away from Gazprom. So I think they deserve whatever they are getting.

    Planning on building more like and its only going as far as Denmark since, as you imply, it will plug into an existing pipeline. It seems to have come to a halt as, I suspect, the other existing users have resisted giving up some of their capacity to Poland and Norway isn't fussed as it can already sell as much as it can ship.

    If Poland wants to continue to please its Master, 300 Abrams for goodness sake, it is going to have to bite the cost bullet and buy more LNG on the open market.
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    Post  franco Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:15 pm

    Construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is fully completed

    There are reports that today, November 8, the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline has been fully completed. It should be reminded that this gas pipeline has two strings laid at the bottom of the Baltic Sea. The last tens of kilometers of this gas transportation artery were laid by the Russian special ship Fortuna, which was not prevented from being under Western sanctions.

    The length of the SP-2 line is 1234 km. The longest part is in the waters of Sweden, the length is about 510 km. The gas pipeline also runs in the waters of Denmark, Finland, Germany and, naturally, Russia itself, from where they are going to supply gas to Europe via the new gas pipeline.

    The design capacity of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is 55 billion cubic meters of "blue fuel" per year. This is enough to be able to alternatively pump gas to Europe without using the Ukraine's gas transmission system, which has not been repaired for a long time.

    The fact that the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline has been completed is reported by TASS with reference to the top management of Gazprom.

    European experts believe that the new gas pipeline connecting Russia and Germany will be able to fully operate in the first half of 2022. Even a specific date is called - no later than May 8th. In Ukraine, commenting on this date, they said that "this is how Europe is going to make a gift to Putin by May 9th."

    NOTE: take this to mean the second line has been tested and is ready to go.

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:25 pm

    The EEZ is *not* territorial waters. These article writers are imbeciles.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:04 pm

    Spot prices in the EU dropping due to

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    High voltage sign Gazprom has approved and started implementing the plan for gas injection into five European underground storage facilities for November. Gas transportation volumes and routes have been set out.


    Consumption has been increasing over deliveries and storage is still well down on last years.

    GAS MARKET: European natural gas have fallen ~15% over the last past two days on signs that Gazprom is starting to boost (a little) its flows into the European Union. Still, with the arrival of cold weather, European gas stock levels are starting to drop, from low levels

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