Talking bollocks thread #3

Actually it might be a case of EMP pulse weapons... a 120mm mortar sized bomb should be big enough to get a 50m radius effective weapon to take out drones in large numbers.... they could have an excellent rate of fire and a barrage of 120mm mortar bombs would be relatively cheap and quick to launch to blunt an attack...

The real irony is that the people suggesting these swarm attacks are doing so from a position of vulnerability from conventional cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles and even stealth aircraft attack.

You would think that Azerbaijan was some sort of super power, but at the end of the day it is similar to the Egyptian fleet sinking an Israeli ship with an anti ship missile... it was a surprise... it was clever and it was effective... but it likely wont work again because counter measures can be applied.

In the case of Russia they have plenty of countermeasures... if Kiev starts murdering ukrainians in the donbas area with a huge fleet of drones there are quite a few things they could do... including using artillery to destroy enemy positions they have been wanting an excuse to hit for some time... they have never really hit back at Kiev, so a few small groups of men with explosives and weapons could go in and take out some high officials in the Kiev hierarchy, and just let Kiev know what war feels like... it is one thing to inflict war on a distant province but when it comes to you where you live it becomes much more serious and real.

There is no reason why the rebels couldn't use drones themselves... the Ukrainians are likely much worse off in regards ability to defend themselves.

Plus it is a chance for the Russians to analyse further how enemies use drones and how to counter them and neutralise their effects.

Worse case scenario they have hundreds of soldiers on the battlefield from behind cover they can volley fire at the drones so all the rounds they are firing land on enemy territory... so they can blame the drone operators for any deaths downrange.

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GarryB wrote:

The Japanese didn't have the time or the ammo or the capacity to kill 20 million Chinese between 1939 and 1945... that is just bullshit.... western propaganda bullshit.

Moving to  talking bollocks thread....

Who needs ammo or time, you just destroy food and people will starve. over 4m died in Indonesia alone!!!

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

mnztr wrote:

GarryB wrote:

The Japanese didn't have the time or the ammo or the capacity to kill 20 million Chinese between 1939 and 1945... that is just bullshit.... western propaganda bullshit.

Moving to  talking bollocks thread....

Who needs ammo or time, you just destroy food and people will starve. over 4m died in Indonesia alone!!!

According to Wikipedia the number of all deaths from the Dutch East Indies during the Second World War was between 3 and 4 million, so your "over four million starved to death" is clearly an exaggeration.

Also, keep in mind that the Dutch East Indies (or the present-day Indonesia) had a population at that time of nearly 70 million.

Looks like the Japanese did a very poor job of mass killing the Indonesians during WWII.


Get all your fact correct next time.


https://dutcheastindies.webs.com/

"Between 200,000 and half a million were sent away from Java to the outer islands, and as far as Burma and Siam. of those taken off Java, not more than 70,000 were found alive at the end of the war.[2][3] Four million people died in the Dutch East Indies as a result of famine and forced labour during the Japanese occupation, including 30,000 European civilian internee deaths.[4]"

How is that exaggeration? I did not say all of them starved to death, just the bulk....

Japan did kill around 20M Chinese....thats not even counting the other races.

Japan only killed around 4M Chinese soldiers, the rest were civies.

GarryB wrote:

The Japanese didn't have the time or the ammo or the capacity to kill 20 million Chinese between 1939 and 1945... that is just bullshit.... western propaganda bullshit.

Moving to  talking bollocks thread....

Are you really that stupid....? Do you know there are hundreds of ways to kill people right beside a bullet, I can't even begin to comprehend how you could say such a stupid thing

You clearly do not know the history or what actually happened..its sad you have the internet and can look this all up but instead you choose to say "Western propaganda".

The Germans killed over 20M soviets in less than two years while killing 11M Jews in four years but the Japanese in eight couldn't kill 20M.......for fucks sake. You didn't even get the date RIGHT the Second Sino-Japanese War started in July of 1937 not 39.....  

Japan did kill 20M Chinese, trying to say the West is claiming this is frankly a real Class A POS move on your part Garry. Your profound ignorance never fails to amaze me.

Edit: Something I must correct, It was six million jews but the extra five million is made of other races within the German borders at that time they considered undesirable.

JohninMK wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
The Germans killed over 20M soviets in less than two years while killing 11M Jews in four years .......for fucks sake.  

............................Garry. Your profound ignorance never fails to amaze me.

Not commenting on the others but a simple search threw this up

In 1939, there were 16.6 million Jews worldwide, and a majority of them – 9.5 million, or 57% – lived in Europe, according to Della Pergola’s (of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem) estimates. By the end of World War II, in 1945, the Jewish population of Europe had shrunk to 3.8 million, or 35% of the world’s 11 million Jews. About 6 million European Jews were killed during the Holocaust, according to common estimates.

Stones and glasshouses springs to mind.

Ah right, around 6M jews died from the Nazi's in WW2, the extra five came from people like gays, Jepsies etc basically undesirables. My number was right I just mixed up the composition.

@Odin

Your link is so wrong...way more than 20M soviets died in WW2. Putin himself said this, well over 40M soviets died in ww2. I believe it was 27M Soviet Civilians alone that died give or take a few Million.

Don't post such inaccurate numbers.

All officials sources from China, Russia, Japan etc put the number at 20M.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Odin

Your link is so wrong...way more than 20M soviets died in WW2. Putin himself said this, well over 40M soviets died in ww2.

Don't post such inaccurate numbers.

That number is from a book published in the Soviet Bloc Poland.

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-losses.html


Soviets originally claimed 20.3 million killed in WWII from the Soviet Union, but in the recent years that number has been increased to 26.6 million. The claim about "Putin estimating 40 million Soviets killed in WWII" where did you get it from?

Can you post your sources? I have posted my sources in the link above.

That number comes from various Russian historians and Putin himself a few years ago said in a speech around 50M, I do not remember which one all I know is he said it after Russia was excluded from some WW2 European thing.

Also no....your information is literally decades old.

At first, Stalin claimed around 7M, then Gorby said it was around 27M.

.....Odin You got some real crappy sources, the 11M doesn't include any soviets that number is for people the Germans killed within their own borders and from nations they annexed in ww2.

Your page is wrong, get accurate information.

In 2017 the Russian historian Igor Ivlev put Soviet war dead at 42 million people (19.4 million military and 22.6 million civilians). According to Ivlev, Soviet State Planning Committee documents put the Soviet population at 205 million in June 1941 and 169.8 million for June 1945. Taking into account the 17.6 million births and 10.3 million natural deaths, leaving almost 42 million in war-related losses according to his research. The details of Ivlev's calculations were first announced at a parliamentary readings about the number of losses of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War. Ivlev's figures are endorsed by the Russian civic organization Immortal Regiment and have been discussed in the Russian media recently. Ivlev has published a summary of his arguments on the Russian website Demoscope Weekly. According to Ivlev's calculations based on the number of Soviet Communist party and Komsomol members conscripted, military dead and missing were 17.8 million.


Boris Sokolov – In 1996 Sokolov published a study that estimated total war dead at 43.3 million including 26.4 million in the military. Sokolov's calculations claimed that official population figures in 1941 were understated by 12.7 million and the population in 1946 overstated by 4.0 million, yielding 16.7 million additional war dead, bringing the total to 43.3 million.

V. E. Korol estimated overall Soviet war dead at 46 million including military dead of 23 million. He claimed that the official figure of 8.7 million military dead was "groundless", based on battle accounts from across the Eastern Front. Korol held that the official figures of Krivosheev were an attempt to cover up the disregard for human life by the military leaders under Stalin. Korol cited Soviet authors writing during the Glasnost era that put wartime losses much higher than the official figures; In 1990 General I. A. Gerasimov published information from the Russian Military Archives database that put losses at 16.2 million enlisted men and 1.2 million officers. Korol also cited historian-archivist Iu. Geller who put losses at 46 million, including military dead of 23 million and A.N. Mertsalov's estimate of 14 million military dead based on documents in the Russian Military Archives.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:


Again, you give zero sources.

I am getting tired of it.


Never heard about the "Stalin claimed only seven million", from what I know the Soviets always claimed it at around 20 million. Possibly he was talking about only the military fatalities?


The Polish book I used for the source gave 20.3 million Soviets killed.

and AGAIN your BOOK IS WRONG.

The USSR claimed after the war they lost 7M in total, Stalin said in march of 46. By total I mean he said it was both military and civilian we know now he was lying of course and that's the point of my statement. Gorby then came out and said that 7M number was a lie and said it was 27M.

http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/ELM-War_Deaths.pdf

None of what I mentioned is talking about injuries it is purely people killed during the war by the Germans.

In Russia for example there is one man for every five or six women. Their current population is 145M that is lower then their population at the start of WW2 by A LOT, if you do some Math with the data given. Between 40-50M dead does make sense. Take the US for example in 1940 we had around 132M but now it's like 327M.

That is how bad, their male population got hit

Are you really that stupid....? Do you know there are hundreds of ways to kill people right beside a bullet, I can't even begin to comprehend how you could say such a stupid thing scratch

Confirmation that this is indeed the correct location for this "Discussion".

You clearly do not know the history or what actually happened..its sad you have the internet and can look this all up but instead you choose to say "Western propaganda".

The Germans killed over 20M soviets in less than two years while killing 11M Jews in four years but the Japanese in eight couldn't kill 20M.......for fucks sake. You didn't even get the date RIGHT the Second Sino-Japanese War started in July of 1937 not 39..... lol!

Japan did kill 20M Chinese, trying to say the West is claiming this is frankly a real Class A POS move on your part Garry. Your profound ignorance never fails to amaze me.

Edit: Something I must correct, It was six million jews but the extra five million is made of other races within the German borders at that time they considered undesirable.

Germans killed 20M Soviets in less than 2 years... what were they doing the other years of the war?

6 million jews killed is already an exaggeration by those who benefit from appearing to be the victim... now you are expanding it to 11 million... why not 60 million?

I didn't say they can't kill 20 million Chinese... I am saying they didn't.

Of the 6 million odd Soviet prisoners they took less than 1.5 million survived the war, makes you wonder... because most tallies show about 11 million soviet troops killed in combat on the eastern front, and the total including civilians is usually put at 27-30 million including civilians, but none of it really matters... if 6 million jews dead is supposed to make Germany the bad guy 30 million dead wont make Russia the good guy or the victim... some US guys broke fingernails porking British soldiers girlfriends and wives in London while the British soldiers were off fighting a war... they are the real victims of war...