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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:47 am

    I'm of the understanding that Russia can't build them quick enough for their own ships let alone taking big foreign orders.

    Money talks... right now Russian engine companies are scrambling to make new engines they didn't have to make before because the Russian Navy traditionally ordered them from the Ukraine.

    Building up production capacity takes time and money, but obviously getting orders for engines for the Russian navy is something solid that most banks will give loans for to build and expand factories and order and buy materials and machines to build the engines.

    However get a large order from China for maybe three or four times more engines and you can build new factories to make these engines in serial production facilities so you can get bigger loan guarantees and increase production levels and speed to make more faster, which is good for the Russian Navy and the Chinese Navy, but not so good for Motor Sich which might not be able to expand production in that way... because these Chinese orders are likely all they have with no domestic engines needed and certainly no orders from the Russian navy either.
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:59 pm

    Turbines and gearboxes loaded onto frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Isakov"

    At Severnaya Verf, turbines and gearboxes of a diesel-gas turbine unit (DGTA) were loaded onto the third serial frigate of project 22350 “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Isakov”. DGTA M55R, developed by the United Engine Corporation (UEC). According to the press service of PJSC Severnaya Verf Shipyard, this is the second fully domestic unit created at Russian facilities within the framework of the import substitution program. Both the port and starboard turbines, together with gearboxes, are immersed in the aft engine room of the ship through special technological cutouts. After alignment of gearboxes, main diesel engines and turbines, shipbuilders will be engaged in alignment and installation of the shaft line. This work will take about six months.

    https://dambiev.livejournal.com/2394117.html

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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:40 am

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    Post  littlerabbit Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:28 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:


    Which fleet will get Admiral Isakov, BSF? dunno
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    Post  Mir Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:33 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:

    Which fleet will get Admiral Isakov, BSF? dunno

    I think initially they will all go to either the Northern or Pacific Fleet.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:56 am

    kvs wrote:
    limb wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:That is OK... the Russians are making them better... perhaps they can undercut the Ukrainians and sell them to China too.
    At the very least the Ukrainians will get less money for the engines they sells and in the best case they lose that business too... or they end up making them at a loss and collapse that industry too.
    Nothing personal... just business.

    Banderites are begging to lose the China market.   What they pulled with Motor Sich has ticked off China in a major way.

    How do you know?

    Type 52d and type 56  engines are still being ordered exclusively from motor sich with no sign of stopping.
    Prove it with citations.
    https://chinaobservers.eu/why-ukraine-is-reassessing-its-defense-cooperation-with-china/
    "Critical technology being laundered to Russia" via China.
    Fcuking hilarious drivel.   Absolutely zero Ukr "technology" is of interest to Russia.

    Type 052D and 055 engines are QC280 engines manufactured in China. Supposedly based on Ukrainian UGT-25000 gas turbine engine design but all manufactured in China.
    The Chinese have moved to their own naval engine production a long time ago.
    The Type 056 corvettes don't even use gas turbines. They use marine diesels licensed from SEMT Pielstick.

    Where the Chinese might be losing out with closed access to the Ukrainian market is with regards to helicopter engines and trainer aircraft engines.
    Not naval engines.

    The Chinese are presently massively expanding their helicopter fleet but most of this is supposed to use their own "home grown" engines. The limited amount of helicopters of Soviet make they have, mostly for the Tibetan plateau and other high altitude environments, can likely be serviced elsewhere. But it will sure be annoying to them.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:49 am

    Hole wrote:Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2 - Page 37 22350_14
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    Why does the metal of the casings appear warped?
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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:10 pm

    Because it´s a warp drive. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:49 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    Why does the metal of the casings appear warped?
    Shrinkage due to cold temps. It'll be fine once the warship sees a beautiful woman though. Razz
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    Post  hoom Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:27 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Why does the metal of the casings appear warped?
    Thats just thin cover plates, possibly/probably hand-made.
    The structural bits are thicker & fair eg where the bits on the side are attached is a proper flat surface.
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    Post  ult Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:05 pm

    In a new video from Amur shipyard, they talk about potentially signing a contract for "up to 6 frigates" sometime next year, but in order to get it they need to modernize their facilities.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:13 am

    Russia is now rapidly moving towards establishing parallel shipbuilding for the Pacific fleet - long overdue - but great news indeed!
    They now need to re-establish nuclear sub production as well as diesel subs back to where it belongs.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:50 am

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    I want this to happen so bad it's boner inducing...


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    Post  calripson Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:03 pm

    Amur shipyard 15 years ago was almost a write-off. To get them back on their feet is very impressive. Very good source of jobs for the region.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:19 pm

    calripson wrote:Amur shipyard 15 years ago was almost a write-off. To get them back on their feet is very impressive. Very good source of jobs for the region.

    A lot of Dutch HGG 3D profiling gear now in that factory.
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    Post  hoom Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:20 pm

    Can a 22350 size ship actually get down-river from Amur?
    They barge-ship the 20380s down-river & I don't think a 22350 would fit in that thing.

    Don't get me wrong though I'm all for things that would improve the rate of production like multi-yard construction.
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    Post  LMFS Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:22 pm

    So we may say that:

    > the orders for Amur shipyard on top of the ones for Severnaya total 16 units, or at least 8 per oceanic fleet. Maybe even more come in the future, but those are numbers already in line with the expected amount of at least 18 units for the class. It is not clear to me that other fleets need such ships
    > apparently, the 22350M will not mean the end of the 22350, but just a further vessel type with probably greater range and more capable for the blue water missions the VMF wants to be ready to tackle in the future.

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    Post  Mir Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:39 am

    hoom wrote:Can a 22350 size ship actually get down-river from Amur?
    They barge-ship the 20380s down-river & I don't think a 22350 would fit in that thing.

    Don't get me wrong though I'm all for things that would improve the rate of production like multi-yard construction.

    I have no idea how deep or shallow the river is but they had no problem with the much larger nuclear submarines.

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    Post  Krepost Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:53 pm

    There is no contract signed.
    So, don't get too excited about building frigates at Amur Shipyard yet.
    I could be just a way to pressure Severnaya Werf to get its act together.
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    Post  Arrow Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:52 pm

    Severnaya Werf will be building destroyers 22350M in the future, so if they want to continue the 22350 frigate program, they can move it to the Amur Shipyard. They built bigger units there, so it won't be a problem.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:33 pm

    Once the icebreaker construction ends and the new facilities are operational they will have more than enough room to build the 22350M in St. Petersburg I think.
    They should have enough capacity to build both 22350 and 22350M.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:00 am

    Krepost wrote:There is no contract signed.
    So, don't get too excited about building frigates at Amur Shipyard yet.
    I could be just a way to pressure Severnaya Werf to get its act together.

    Why bother with trying to pressure incompetent shipyard to get it's act together when you can just take contracts from them and give them to a shipyard with increasingly impressive track record?

    Or should we wait for some long delayed Gorshkov frigate to get torched as well?


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