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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:13 am

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    Post  mnztr Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:17 am

    Are Russian made Turbines in the second ship? If not when do they transition to the domestic engines?

    I must say the new Russian ships do have beautiful lines.
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    Post  hoom Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:42 am

    Nope, Kasatonov still has Ukrainian engines, its the 3rd that will be using domestic engines.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:27 am

    Just noticed the main deck gun has a muzzle brake... not many Russian Naval guns have muzzle brakes... perhaps suggesting a range increase through increased propellent leading to increased recoil making compensators necessary... especially with their new smaller gun mounts for their bigger calibres.
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    Post  kumbor Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:35 am

    GarryB wrote:Just noticed the main deck gun has a muzzle brake... not many Russian Naval guns have muzzle brakes... perhaps suggesting a range increase through increased propellent leading to increased recoil making compensators necessary... especially with their new smaller gun mounts for their bigger calibres.

    130mm gun on Gorshkovs is single barelled AK-130/58cal, and that gun from the onset had muzzle brake, as balistically it is descendant from M-46 130mm, which is also of naval origin.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:14 pm

    I have never understood why one would not have a mussle break. You don't really lose any range and you reduce recoil....plus you produce a less definite sound signature.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:05 am

    Their old 57mm, 76.2mm, 100mm, and 130mm guns didn't have muzzle brakes... most had automated muzzle covers to keep the salt air out of the barrels one assumes, but no muzzle brakes.

    I guess with the smaller lighter gun mounts with increased energy longer ranged shells a muzzle brake has become a more useful thing...
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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:03 pm

    It seems Gorshkov was send to test Zirkon missiles.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:05 pm


    Bigly if true

    What makes you think those are Zircons?

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Bigly if true

    What makes you think those are Zircons?


    It's on twitter. Idk if it is official though.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1197556525042208775

    There are russian twitts also but I don't read russian.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:24 am

    Cirkon will be test the end of year. So last day on December. Not now.
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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:44 am

    Arrow wrote:Cirkon will be test the end of year. So last day on December. Not now.


    lol1 lol1 in terms of stupidity on this forum you get the 1st place.
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    Post  kumbor Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:28 pm

    Isos wrote:It seems Gorshkov was send to test Zirkon missiles.

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    I think these are simply torpedoes  without warheads.
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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:50 pm

    Gorshkov carries only paket nk torpedoes which are smaller than that. Those things seems to be missiles in their canisters and they occupy all the lenght if the helicopter pad so ~10m long.
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:53 pm

    But if Gorskov is leaving to test zirkon, why would they be lying out in open on the deck instead of inside the UKSK VLS?
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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:29 pm

    They could be reloads which will be put in the VLS by a ship that has a cane. Or they can't use them from UKSK and plan to use them from the back by elevating those two canister and use Gorshkovs computers to program the missiles.

    There is still nothing official.
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    Post  dino00 Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:23 pm

    Arrow wrote:Cirkon will be test the end of year. So last day on December. Not now.

    Russia plans new trials of Tsirkon hypersonic missile before yearend — source

    MOSCOW, November 22. /TASS/ Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:38 pm

    It has been known for a year that Cirkon will be tested at the end of 2019. Where's the news here? Let them finally show this missile, it will be something new or a test movie.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:01 pm

    Arrow wrote:It has been known for a year that Cirkon will be tested at the end of 2019. Where's the news here? Let them finally show this missile, it will be something new or a test movie.
    in Russian it is циркон, you can transliterate the ц as either z or ts and the pronounce is something like [ts], so could you please use one of the following two spellings: Tsirkon or Zircon?

    The one you use looks like a mockery, but I am sure it was incidental.
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    Post  hoom Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

    Its certainly interesting timing to see canisters on the deck at a time when press are saying Zirkon is about to be tested.
    But doesn't make much sense that they are on the heli-deck if its UKSK compatible?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:25 am

    Carrying the tubes there is interesting, because it would mean they can't use their helo... so why are they displaying these tubes?

    The test launch is supposed to be from a test platform rather than a ship, so maybe they are just transporting the missiles as a show for the public knowing there are plenty of eyes and cameras following their every move anyway to get a glimpse of this new system...
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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:53 pm

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    For comparison: Kaliber missiles in their transport canisters
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    Post  dino00 Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:07 pm

    The frigate Admiral Gorshkov arrived at the White Sea naval base of the Northern Fleet to test new types of weapons

    Today, the head frigate of project 22350 “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov” arrived in the White Sea naval base of the Northern Fleet. In the near future, in Severodvinsk, the ship will undergo preparation for testing new types of weapons and will go to the White Sea to conduct test firing.

    The ship’s interbase transition took place under favorable hydrometeorological conditions. While sailing in the Barents and White Seas, the frigate’s crew worked out the organization of marching watch and conducted exercises to combat the survivability of the ship on the move.

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    Post  dino00 Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:29 pm

    The draft design of "Super-Gorshkov" is completed

    The designers of the Northern Design Bureau completed the preliminary design of the ship of Project 22350M, an enlarged version of the frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type. About this Mil.Press FlotProm was informed by an informed industry source.The work was completed on time, a preliminary design was prepared by the end of autumn, he added.

    According to the interlocutor of the publication, the next stage is the acceptance of work by the relevant commission. This will happen before the end of the year, the source added.

    Mil.Press FlotProm does not yet have official confirmation of this information.

    It takes 12 to 18 months to complete the design of the frigate for Project 22350M, nicknamed "Super-Pots" in the industry. The construction of the lead ship of the new series will take 4-5 years.

    Given the timing of the development of design documentation, the construction can begin no earlier than 2020.

    According to a senior naval source of the publication, November 19 at the Academy of the General Staff passedscientific and practical conference of the Navy, which once again raised the question of a critical reduction in the number of ships in the ocean zone. "In this sense, the continued construction of both Admiral Gorshkov-type frigates and larger Project 22350M ships is vital for maintaining the presence of the Russian Navy in the far sea and especially ocean zones," said Mil.Press FlotProm interlocutor.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:06 pm

    dino00 wrote:The draft design of "Super-Gorshkov" is completed
    .............
    It takes 12 to 18 months to complete the design of the frigate for Project 22350M, nicknamed "Super-Pots" in the industry. The construction of the lead ship of the new series will take 4-5 years...........

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