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    Post  hoom Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:39 am

    I wonder if existing 11356/22350 will be also biffed up (11356 = 16 UKSK + 36 |Shtil-1; 22350 - 24 too ?)
    Only if the 11356 were actually built with the interior space & weight available. I don't think they were.

    As previously discussed 22350 hasn't got room for a 3rd UKSK module due to the Packet launchers either side, doesn't appear to be space fore-aft and I doubt was built with space/weight allowed.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:10 am

    hoom wrote:....

    As previously discussed 22350 hasn't got room for a 3rd UKSK module due to the Packet launchers either side, doesn't appear to be space fore-aft and I doubt was built with space/weight allowed.

    It doesn't have room currently

    But if they drop redundant oversized 130mm main gun and replace it with something more reasonable like 75mm or 57mm there would be plenty of space for extra UKSK set
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    Post  hoom Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:19 am

    As a modification of already built ships? No friggin way.
    I don't forsee Russia giving up on The King of the Battlefield, Russia likes its Artillery & I disagree that its redundant.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:26 pm

    As a modification of already built ships? No friggin way.
    I don't forsee Russia giving up on The King of the Battlefield, Russia likes its Artillery & I disagree that its redundant.

    Not modification, current ships stay as is

    I am talking about ones that are yet to be laid down

    They will have to drop superguns if they want to have 24 UKSK cells, otherwise they will have to redesign the hull and we all know that will take at least a decade given their track record (they should know it as well by now)

    And oversized guns are definitely redundant, 75mm is more than plenty for frigates
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    Post  hoom Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:50 pm

    I am talking about ones that are yet to be laid down
    I was responding to the suggestion that the already laid down/completed ones would get an upgrade.

    And oversized guns are definitely redundant, 75mm is more than plenty for frigates
    Russia put 100mm guns on 900ton missile boats...

    130mm on 22350 is appropriate size imo.
    Its a modern, lightweight mount, had some teething issues but apparently well sorted now.

    Also Western navies are trending toward 127mm instead of 'traditional' 76mm so its in line with that trend.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:12 am

    I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I drink that Diet "Coke" crap

    Give me old school sugar or GTFO

    Diet coke is mandatory... otherwise the joke does not work... big fat man walks in to fast food restaurant and orders 10 Happy meals... asks if there is any guarantee regarding how happy it will make him. When asked if it is dine in or take away he says it is dine in and the drink he wants is a diet coke because of his diet...

    Bigger guns are more useful... the development of guided shells and special purpose shells and even super long range shells makes a gun much more flexible and useful than a missile.

    Try firing a warning shot with a missile.

    With modern computing and guided shells and the new high rate of fire 152mm twin barrel gun they should be able to fire 20 shells per minute quite easily and have them all follow slightly different trajectories and land at the same time... which would equate to roughly 860kgs of HE and fragments hitting target all at once... that would be freaking devastating...

    The advantage of a big ship is having the space for that sort of thing...
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    Post  hoom Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:57 pm

    Gorshkov is in Sri Lanka
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    Post  dino00 Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:15 am

    Shoigu: two frigates and two large landing ships for the Russian Navy will be laid on April 23

    MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    "On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department

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    Post  dino00 Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:28 am

    dino00 wrote:Shoigu: two frigates and two large landing ships for the Russian Navy will be laid on April 23

    MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    "On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department

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    planned to be incorporated into the Navy until 2025
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    Post  LMFS Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:58 am

    It seems MoD doesn't read enough Western media to know they are bankrupt and cannot pursue a blue water navy Razz
    They seem to be getting progressively more serious about it, that is very nice to see.

    So it will be 6 Gorshkovs in total and 4 being built in parallel in Severnaya Verf if I am not wrong. Hopefully they keep that level of parallel build for many years, if the shipyard can sustain that the navy more than needs modern frigates, regardless of what happens with 22350M, which is functionally a destroyer after all.
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    Post  william.boutros Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:32 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Shoigu: two frigates and two large landing ships for the Russian Navy will be laid on April 23

    MOSCOW, April 9th. / TASS /. Two frigates of the project 22350 and two large landing ships of the project 11711 for the Navy of Russia will be laid on April 23 at the shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    "On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard" Yantar "in Kaliningrad," he said at a conference call in the military department

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    planned to be incorporated into the Navy until 2025

    Will the Gorshkovs have their missile capacity increased to 24-32, and the Ivan-Gren issues managed?
    6 years is 10-12 like the first 2 Gorshkovs but still a long time.
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    Post  hoom Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:02 am

    Gorshkov arrived at Qingdao


    Kasatanov is supposed to be starting trials today.

    Edit: more Gorshkov Qingdao action https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3616339.html
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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:58 pm

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    Post  George1 Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:09 pm

    On April 21, 2019, the second frigate of project 22350 “Admiral of the Kasatonov fleet”, built for the Russian Navy at PJSC Shipyard “Severnaya Verf” (St. Petersburg, part of United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC - USC), went to sea for the second stage of the factory running tests. It is reported that this stage ZHI will last 21 days. The ship is scheduled to be transferred to the fleet by the end of 2019.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:00 am

    Hole wrote:Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2 - Page 9 Wc_yuy10

    Looks like the Gremy in the background.
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    Post  hoom Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:28 am

    Looks like the Gremy in the background.
    It is, started trials same day. (pics & vid in the 20380 thread)

    Has there ever been a breakdown on the technical details of Poliment?
    Like how many T/R modules its got, what their layout is within the panels, range for 1m^2 detection, how many targets it can track/engage simultaneously.

    Its quite odd how Russia seems to be quite hush hush about its capabilites when they're quite open about capabilities of other systems.

    Edit: hmm https://www.russiadefence.net/t48p345-project-22350-admiral-sergei-gorshkov#72556
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    Post  hoom Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:15 am

    Moar pics http://bastion-opk.ru/22350-kasatonov-190421-1/ and http://bastion-opk.ru/22350-kasatonov-190421-2/

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    Post  marat Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:06 pm

    https://flotprom.ru/2019/СевернаяВерфь12/

    5th and 6th will have 24 tubes for cruise missiles.
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    Post  dino00 Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:22 pm

    marat wrote:https://flotprom.ru/2019/СевернаяВерфь12/

    5th and 6th will have 24 tubes for cruise missiles.

    More firepower attack

    The Russian Navy is getting there!
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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:15 pm

    Will the superstructure/mast receive the same treatment as Gremy?
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:38 pm

    Excellent news

    I wonder what approach did they use to free up space for extra UKSK set?
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    Post  hoom Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:18 pm

    Good questions.

    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #2 - Page 9 23-7431421-111190
    Not exactly huge starting sections
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    Possibly the 4th hull in background? Or Derzky Mercury?

    Profile pic (Belgorod, IG mod, 22350 & 20386)
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    Possibly looks like a longer raised foredeck?
    Otherwise electronic fitout looks same with Monolith, Puma & Furke4 on bridge/mast.
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    Post  hoom Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:08 pm

    From https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3620778.html
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    Post  George1 Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:18 pm

    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" in Qingdao

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:47 am

    They need to produce more of these and fast, these are nice frigates. They will be the backbone of Russia's Blue Water navy.

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