Western propaganda

Tatars step up resistance to Russian rule over Crimea

USA and co are ratcheting up ethnic tensions in Crimea.

Orwell is rolling over in his grave...now they're saying Russia supports Islamic extremists in Afghanistan...no seriously...my sides...I'm dying for air...    

US Answer to Taliban Victories in Afghanistan: Blame Russia

magnumcromagnon wrote:Orwell is rolling over in his grave...now they're saying Russia supports Islamic extremists in Afghanistan...no seriously...my sides...I'm dying for air...    

US Answer to Taliban Victories in Afghanistan: Blame Russia

USA is the definition of the orwellian Ingsoc (Zionsoc).

Enemy, friend, Enemy again, then they never were enemies nor friends and every mention of the past about the history of this conflicts is a medial suicide since they will portray you as a conspiracy theorist and destroy your reputation and get you fired from your job or if you are a real threat, get actually rid of you.

I had to repost this:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Yet another Western lie debunked...Remember MSM's claim that Russia's air-campaign is the cause of the migrant crisis?



Here's a UNICEF infographic depicting migrant flows to Europe. Notice something yet?



...That's right the peak of the migrant flow was actually 'before' the air-campaign, and has been gradually decreasing ever since it began...because of the air-campaign.

Eat d*ck Obama, Merkel Ferkel, Turdogan lol!

on Sky News this morning they were claiming along with Amnesty International that Russia was guilty of war crimes and Russia was purposely targeting civilian areas in Syria ... i was bloody raging where was the criticism from this group when the West was bombing Serbian and Montenegrin cities, towns and villages, the Bombing of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya among others

Godric wrote:on Sky News this morning they were claiming along with Amnesty International that Russia was guilty of war crimes and Russia was purposely targeting civilian areas in Syria ... i was bloody raging where was the criticism from this group when the West was bombing Serbian and Montenegrin cities, towns and villages, the Bombing of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya among others

There is nothing to rage about, just end the war in Syria quickly, the west does not want this and idiots in Turkey, don't know that it will spill over.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Totalitarianism in Orwell's "1984" was blown out of proportion on purpose. It was not meant to be a vision of future events but a satirical interpretation of events in Orwell's lifetime. No country ever reached this level of social control and this level will never be reached.

You guys are really ovesensitive. You elevate US support for Islamists out of political necessity to the rank of arch-crime but completely miss all wars that would start with no global hegemony in place. We are living in most peaceful times in history. Really.

Did you ever read the book? Noone who read it ever refered to it as "satirical". I highly doubt you have the intellect or the honesty for politics.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I have listened to an audiobook many years ago - and number of things dissimilar with the modern world is simply mind numbing, Nazi Germany was not even remotely close to that, neither was pre-1953 USSR. In the book main protogonist was severely tortured for his wrong thoughts and every member of the party had to go throught the same reeducation program if they strayed from the correct worldview. In the western world people aren't tortured for political dissent and they aren't killed for that. One may cite a handful of political assassinations in 3rd world countries that are hardly mass terror.

Another big diference is standard of living - an average middle class household in the EU/US lives a better life than inner party members from the book (the elite of the society) - since (if I remember correctly) having true coffee (not a substitute) was described as one of their privileages n the book.

Well i can conclude it is the lack of intellectual niveau to understand Orwellian world and the geopolitics and psychology people are subjected to through decades. Ukraine is a great example how decade long horseshit lies can turn intelligent people to maniacs that will oink as long some big brother tells them too. You honestley are the far far edge of the spectrum what others would put intelligent people on one end and you are the furthest away from that point.

From the mouths of CNN propagandists in Syria (the same reporter different instances):

Evil Oppressive Regime held area:



Free, Liberated, Democratic held area:

good video from rt.

https://www.facebook.com/RTvids/videos/1166843899992528/

Man whose evidence BBC used to suggest Putin corrupt found guilty of lying to UK High Court:

'Kremlin's Banker' and lover of Alexandra Tolstoy faces prison sentence

...Yet another Liberasthole propped up by the West turns out to be a crook after alll....

Worst type of propaganda, one that people actually like to watch

We always hear the USSR's war in Afghanistan as the Western media's 'go-to' example of a military 'quagmire'....well let's look at 4 famous military quagmire's: USSR in Afghanistan, US/NATO in Afghanistan, US/NATO in Iraq, US in Vietnam and determine which were the real quagmires...

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Totalitarianism in Orwell's "1984" was blown out of proportion on purpose. It was not meant to be a vision of future events but a satirical interpretation of events in Orwell's lifetime. No country ever reached this level of social control and this level will never be reached.

You guys are really ovesensitive. You elevate US support for Islamists out of political necessity to the rank of arch-crime but completely miss all wars that would start with no global hegemony in place. We are living in most peaceful times in history. Really.

It is irrelevant what Orwell was specifically writing about, the machinations of a socialist/totalitarian state that he called "Eurasia" which was a euphemism for Soviet Union. What is important are the mechanisms of state control that he described. "Newspeak" is seen everyday in the evil abortion that is "Political correctness". "Doublethink" is the mental contortions that people have to engage in in order to say what they mean without having the hammer of "political correctness" coming down on them. "Doublethink" is perhaps more evil than "political correctness" because in order to engage in "doublethink" you have to partially think like the state wants you to think in order to see what it is that you must not say clearly. It is a form of self brainwashing as the longer you need to indulge in "doublethink", then the greater the chance that you may start to believe the lies. While Orwell did not invent the concept of "Groupthink", it is clear that it is born out of "doublethink" and became a bizarre means of self and group enforcement of thought and word.

In other areas we have surpassed Orwell. All our electronic means of communication are watched by the state, no matter what country we live in. We are watched physically by CCTV, either ourselves directly or our vehicles. Our use of bank/credit cards, what we buy, can be monitored.  In "1984" the excuse used by the state to have these controls was "perpetual war", an ever present enemy, an entity for the population to fear and hate. Before 1991 the West had Soviet Union, but then, for a time,  a new enemy was needed, enter the Arabs as "bogeyman", and "nationalism", and enter Yugoslavia. "Racists" make a convenient "enemy of the people", yet bizarrely those who go red in the face screaming about "racists" are the same people who hate those who do not fit their view of how we should all be, and they even deny the fact that there are different races. This contradiction is never explained, only screamed at. I have a lot of experience in this Orwellian aspect due to my interest in Egypt, and have confronted the ignorant and very malicious ultra politcally correct American "Afro-centrists" many times. Orwellianism involves the creation of enemies, the creation of crimes and levels of crimes, an example that predates Orwell is that of  quarter, half, or horror, full Trotskyists, in 30s. It involves making ordinary people think they are criminals even if they are not. It involves making those who do not believe all that the state and it's propaganda machine say, feel as if they are the only people who think that way, that they are "outsiders". Media, particulary TV is very good at doing that. It involves making it seem that those who question the state are mentally ill, again an example from the past is that those who were seen as "outgroup" suddenly found themselves in state pyschiatric "hospitals" and diagnosed with "Slow developing schizophrenia", the symptoms being - stubbornness - inflexibility of political convictions - reformist delusions. I see signs of this returning, not in Russia, but in the West and under the curious concept of "cognitive distortions".

We have moved beyond 1984 in ways that Orwell did not envisage, but would fully understand if he were alive now. I also note that those who deny that the world becomes more and more Orwellian, and even deny the existance of "political correctness", are those who are the practitioners of this sinister system or who are control freaks.

Edit: And I never even mentioned "thought crime" and the modern nonsense of "hate crime", which is itself a form of "thought crime".

Khepesh wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Totalitarianism in Orwell's "1984" was blown out of proportion on purpose. It was not meant to be a vision of future events but a satirical interpretation of events in Orwell's lifetime. No country ever reached this level of social control and this level will never be reached.

You guys are really ovesensitive. You elevate US support for Islamists out of political necessity to the rank of arch-crime but completely miss all wars that would start with no global hegemony in place. We are living in most peaceful times in history. Really.

It is irrelevant what Orwell was specifically writing about, the machinations of a socialist/totalitarian state that he called "Eurasia" which was a euphemism for Soviet Union. What is important are the mechanisms of state control that he described. "Newspeak" is seen everyday in the evil abortion that is "Political correctness". "Doublethink" is the mental contortions that people have to engage in in order to say what they mean without having the hammer of "political correctness" coming down on them. "Doublethink" is perhaps more evil than "political correctness" because in order to engage in "doublethink" you have to partially think like the state wants you to think in order to see what it is that you must not say clearly. It is a form of self brainwashing as the longer you need to indulge in "doublethink", then the greater the chance that you may start to believe the lies. While Orwell did not invent the concept of "Groupthink", it is clear that it is born out of "doublethink" and became a bizarre means of self and group enforcement of thought and word.

In other areas we have surpassed Orwell. All our electronic means of communication are watched by the state, no matter what country we live in. We are watched physically by CCTV, either ourselves directly or our vehicles. Our use of bank/credit cards, what we buy, can be monitored.  In "1984" the excuse used by the state to have these controls was "perpetual war", an ever present enemy, an entity for the population to fear and hate. Before 1991 the West had Soviet Union, but then, for a time,  a new enemy was needed, enter the Arabs as "bogeyman", and "nationalism", and enter Yugoslavia. "Racists" make a convenient "enemy of the people", yet bizarrely those who go red in the face screaming about "racists" are the same people who hate those who do not fit their view of how we should all be, and they even deny the fact that there are different races. This contradiction is never explained, only screamed at. I have a lot of experience in this Orwellian aspect due to my interest in Egypt, and have confronted the ignorant and very malicious ultra politcally correct American "Afro-centrists" many times. Orwellianism involves the creation of enemies, the creation of crimes and levels of crimes, an example that predates Orwell is that of  quarter, half, or horror, full Trotskyists, in 30s. It involves making ordinary people think they are criminals even if they are not. It involves making those who do not believe all that the state and it's propaganda machine say, feel as if they are the only people who think that way, that they are "outsiders". Media, particulary TV is very good at doing that. It involves making it seem that those who question the state are mentally ill, again an example from the past is that those who were seen as "outgroup" suddenly found themselves in state pyschiatric "hospitals" and diagnosed with "Slow developing schizophrenia", the symptoms being - stubbornness - inflexibility of political convictions - reformist delusions. I see signs of this returning, not in Russia, but in the West and under the curious concept of "cognitive distortions".

We have moved beyond 1984 in ways that Orwell did not envisage, but would fully understand if he were alive now. I also note that those who deny that the world becomes more and more Orwellian, and even deny the existance of "political correctness", are those who are the practitioners of this sinister system or who are control freaks.

Edit: And I never even mentioned "thought crime" and the modern nonsense of "hate crime", which is itself a form of "thought crime".

+1000

To bad there is no voting system anymore but you would deserve to have it back for that post, couldn't write it better.

This is how the Western propagamedia describe the matyr of Palmyra.

I am not sure what to think of this....

Look at the Apps/addons and tools that are abused and use double standards.

WOT an addon for browsers which indicate the safety of websites prior to going on them, based on their content by "users".

So when they are safe the ring is green, when they are not it is red, when it is suspicious it is yellow with further information to which reasons when you click on it.

Here for Russia insider it is yellow and security safety is "not secure enough" why that is i will come to it in a second.



BBC WOT rating is green reason for that is politics and religious content.



So let us see what the comments and "users" experience and rating is based on.

Here a screen shot from WOT's security check of Russia Insider and we have one user there Amnesty Int.




Which says "Just another pro-krelm propaganda project"

If that is Amnesty Intl. or not can't be checked but all comments are retarded and are all "Kremln financed" aswell that this is all in perfect russian suggests that it is an ukrofascist or one of the 5th columnists who post that garbage.

Let us see what WOT users say about BBC, the well known MI5 infiltrated news network that has been caught red handed several times in reporting and orchastrating fake interviews, war reports with actors, terrorist actors and just lying about lot of stuff and well known for 99% onesided agenda.



The ratings are all buried of people critizing it as being one sided and not trustworthy under the mass of "100% perfect trustworthy news" "users" among them ukrofascist Amnesty Intl. nicknamed user.

Ukrainain users post there and a shit load of probably paid people just like paid people to call Russia Insider a krelmn propaganda while it is a western source.

This are the average methods of western propaganda just like on wikishmedia where hasbara and other shills are paid big money to buy admin rights to edit stuff like they see fit for their propaganda.