2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

JohninMK wrote:Russian version of the map. Can someone translate please?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmecGPJW8AcEsgf?format=jpg&name=large

Green yellow: territory to be handed over to Azerbaijan

Red yellow: territory where Russian peacekeepers will be deployed

Green: territory under control of Azeri military

Sneak preview of Armenian opinion, these are the people that Russian soldiers were supposed to go to war for (while their military was sitting on it's ass sucking EU dick):

Pashinyan's actions were much more brave and commendable than he is being given credit for

https://old.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/jrrrnt/pashinyans_actions_were_much_more_brave_and/

#IStandWithNikol




Amount of mental gymnastics among Armenians is insane, you'd think that they just fought the war against Russia instead of Azerbaijan

The butthurt nonsense on r/armenia is some next level shit

Russia definitely saved itself some major headache by not wasting time, noney and lives on that dumpster

Honestly the best thing Russia can do is to just let Turks rip through the whole region: Armenia, NK, Azerbaijan, Georgia, the full package

Say what you want about Turks but in comparison to Armenians they definitely come off as more honest, upfront, trustworthy and friendly

Russia had good record with AD in Syria, against cruise missiles and ATGW or Rockets. Because they are metal. Fast. Hot. Drones are more difficult, to hit, using same system. Different system needed. If Armenia has strong security arrangement with Russia or Iran, then it can find and destroy drone systems, with a couple of BM. No need for huge expense of star wars weapon. And there are far cheaper ways, to fight drones. Even cheaper than firing Igla. As I pointed out earlier. Armenians should make ready now. Because the Turks and Rats, may launch false flag, blame Azeris. Provoke Armenia to retaliate. Force war again.

There is some suggestion by some people that Azerbaijan was all powerful because they used drones and that they could have invaded Russia and gotten to Moscow because they had some drones supplied to them.

Drones are a relatively new technology and air defence systems have not been developed to deal with them completely... but Russian solutions in Syria have shown to be the only effective counter measures.

The obvious problem is that while Russia has these systems it is not these systems alone that help.

If you are Armenia and your air defence network consists of OSA vehicles and guys with radios then the latest anti drone technology is not going to make any difference.

Equally if you gave Armenia lots of attack drones they could devastate Azerbaijan and Turkey and Georgia using the same methods and tactics because those countries are not better protected from drone attacks than Armenia is.

Armenia should take stock of what happened and what tactics and systems the Azeris used to attack them and work out simple efficient ways of dealing with those sorts of attacks. They can cooperate with the Russians on this because defeating drone attacks is going to become more of a problem in the future and not less of a problem, and working together they can improve camouflage and air defence performance against drone attacks without needing to buy S-400s.

What they shouldn't do is panic and think this is the end of the world.

War for what? What's the reward here? Vindicating Armenian bullshit?

Exactly... the fact that Putin managed to get this result without having to go to war is to his credit... Russia picking a side and going in and wiping out the other side like the US does would just cost a lot of money and leave a lot of people dead and would lead to a one sided solution they already had that the Azeris decided they needed to arm up and make changes to.

At least with the current situation there is dialogue and potential for future discussion about future mutually agreed changes that might improve the situation on the ground better.

And where does this myth of ''Turkish power'' or relevance come from anyway?

I have to laugh when I read about people afraid of Erdogan and his dreams of an ottoman empire... because it reminds me of people talking about Putin and saying he wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire and restore Russias borders... yet after plenty of opportunities to do so he has declined... doesn't stop them though.

They bark loud but once owner snaps the leash they will fall in line as always (remember the big talk over Iran?)

When they told Iran they will stick to the agreement and invest in Iran like they promised, or when their companies quietly withdrew from the various projects because of threats of being shut out of the US market if they had investments in Iran...

Like the crack of a whip that leash from Washington...

According to polls in Russia 30% have favourable opinion of Armenia, 40% have favourable opinion of Azerbaijan

Times have changed since USSR but some people still didn't get the memo

Despite the popularity, these are small stupid countries near Russia who used to be part of the same country... Russia should not feel bound to aid one or the other pound the other into the dust... Russia should be looking for solutions where both countries can continue in peace.

Picking one side or the other would alienate one side and drive it towards HATO... which is fine... they are free to do as they please like Georgia and Ukraine, but unconditional support no matter what, is stupid... when your friend has money problems and decides to rob a bank you don't go with him and hold the gun... you try to get him a better paying job... you try to organise a loan... you tell him he is being a dick and threaten to report him to the police so there is no chance of him getting killed or killing someone if the whole thing goes tits up.

Driving the get away car is not being his friend.

He probably wont understand at the time... but when he thinks about what you did and why you did it he might be smart enough to realise he was helping you and despite not actually being able to physically stop you, he did what he did to try to make it hard for you to make the wrong choice.

Was trying to say something similar to a certain person from the Balkans who thinks Russia stabbed them in the back but he didn't get it then.

Say what you want about Turks but in comparison to Armenians they definitely come off as more honest, upfront, trustworthy and friendly

I think invasion and attack is a dirty way to open talks and change ownership of land... and I think that sending terrorists to do the fighting is particularly nasty unless they are used as cannon fodder and are slaughtered in large volumes.

I think the resolution was the best possible outcome however.

I also hope our two Armenian members are OK and come back soon.

Armenian, and TheArmenian...

GarryB wrote:Was trying to say something similar to a certain person from the Balkans who thinks Russia stabbed them in the back but he didn't get it then. ...

No need for getting

In the Balkans Russia was promising everything and the kitchen sink, this time they were honest and upfront

Also in the Balkans there was no team switching 2 years prior

That's the (not so subtle) distinction

Azerbaijan joining NATO has been a serious concern for Russia. If Azerbaijan took back its disputed territories by force it would be free to join NATO. Hence Russia stopped Azerbaijan in its tracks and put its troops in Karabakh to prevent Azerbaijan taking back its disputed territories and therefore prevent Azerbaijan joining NATO. Putin does the same in Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine to prevent them joining NATO the way Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania did.

PapaDragon wrote:
According to polls in Russia 30% have favourable opinion of Armenia, 40% have favourable opinion of Azerbaijan

Times have changed since USSR but some people still didn't get the memo

Russians sure love those exotic Muslim Turkic women don't they?

Holy shit. 1 Smerch strike kills 29 Azerbaijani soldiers. That's crazy shit.

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1326235566590013440

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1326273941153996801

PapaDragon wrote:

GarryB wrote:Was trying to say something similar to a certain person from the Balkans who thinks Russia stabbed them in the back but he didn't get it then. ...

No need for getting

In the Balkans Russia was promising everything and the kitchen sink, this time they were honest and upfront

Also in the Balkans there was no team switching 2 years prior

That's the (not so subtle) distinction

Yeltsin's regime with its US stooge foreign minister (who is now living in the USA) made promises it knew it would not keep.
Yeltsin =/= Russia.

And yes, Pussynian =/= Armenia.

kvs wrote:Russia did not lose out of this for sure.   It avoided being entangled in an obvious trap which is a real fail for Pussynian and his
NATzO puppet masters and used the idiotic attack on the helicopter to put Azeri nutsacks in a vice.   Note how there is no
shrieking about Russian invasion and occupation.  

The severe undermining of Pussynian's regime is a clear win also.

you suffer from a extreme problem of blindness ,if you believe ..

1)that this war unleashed on armenia was about karabah territory
2)that the results of this conflict is consequence of the pasha regime..

you complete to conveniently ignore how the previous prime minister of armenia that was
pro russia ,pro putin to the letter was still he was attacked its military and beheaded armenian  soldiers and that they lost territory about 4-5 years ago.. and putin promoted a cease of fire ,
that as expected solved nothing.. it did not end the conflict .. you also conventiently ignores
how russia allowed syria to lose 75% of its territory allowed syria to be alone for 4 years with a massive alliance of nations attacking them ,before he moved a finger to engage nato
and turkey hostilities against their syrian allies.. And you can't acusse Assad of being pro nato
will you?    in fact president assad made a major mistake.. and that was precisely to trust in putin and russia as capable of defending their nation in case they were attacked..   this conflict of armenia will without a doubt turn away nations from russia as a reliable ally , because have shown
very clearly russian very serious limits..  

This conflict have nothing to do ,with pasha dude. .stop being so delusional , this conflict is a war
against russia.. is russia the real target.. just like in syria . just like in ukraine conflict.. all this conflict are planned for years to give a vietnam to russia and break their economy.. so blaming this conflict of pasha regime and allowing putin to get a free pass is dishonesty at best..  
pasha is doing what anyone will do if they perceive weakness on their allies..  if your house and family lives was as risk.. and you notice your friends not very willing to help you ,you will do anything to save your family and your house if someone is trying to remove you from there.. reality is
that if nato was in control of armenia with a nato base there.. they will have lost no territory at all
because turkey and azerbaijan will have never there to start a war over nagorno if it was under nato protection.. so is reality what you always fails to see..  reality is russia is a weak power ,with very limited capabilities of influence thanks to its insecure and weak president putin.


if syria is any example of what this cease of fire means.. is that turkey and azeris and israeli drones will continue killing armenian soldiers there but now including russian soldiers too.including generals and continue attacking russian helicopters ,then russian planes and russian officers murdered in mines , including generals and they will continue attacking armenians , because they do it in syria..
and get away with it.. thanks to  Putin's weak lines that are always crossed very easily and he will do nothing about it , he will just sign a piece of paper of condolence for the lost families and continue using the russian military as laboratory rats ,guinea pigs , for delaying a war he can't avoid and only delays with his passivenes at the expense of losing thousands of soldiers.  
they shut down a russian chopper than was not even part of the conflict ,far from nagorno borders ,
and they played putin with the "it was a mistake accident thing" it was a clear red line was crossed there and he did nothing about it..  

anyone that thinks that there is a chance for peace for russia with turkey and azerbaijan are a completely delusional , when erdogan himself in public express his desires to rebuild the ottoman empire and expand turkey influence in crimea and caucasus and central asia..  when he himself
threatens to return crimea to ukraine and that they will help.. so what kind of leader is this? enemies threaten russia with war and he just ignore it.. and respond with politeness ..  

basically for the delusional people ,this is a "victory of putin" , but in reality this was a limited defeat what putin accepted ,he knows  Turkey and azerbaijan with full support of israel and nato are at war with the russian world , and even aliev told it in public his objectives are a land corridor to turkey.. so how he can achieve that without war with armenia main land?  without invading armenia and declaring war on russia too?  

the big war for the idiots that don't have a clue of what russia is facing , is yet to come..
turkey will restart the war ,over the control of the caucasus as soon NATO push russia into a new battlefield.. it could be moldova vs tranistria or venezuela or kazakistan.. Turkey will stop at nothing until they create their version of a muslim nato with caucasus nations and central "stan" nations on it. and the ultimate goal will be kazakistan under erdogan influence. so this is when russia will be checkmated by western NATO in alliance with pan turkism alliance of nations..  and russia will not have enough bombs or soldiers to fight in so many nations in central asia.. so will be fun to see russia military base attacked ,thousands of russian soldiers killed and apologers in this forum ,praising putin "master chess move" of accepting the apologies of them.. that by "mistake" they bombed the russian base in armenia.. and this is what they already doing in syria ,but just using toy  drones. with explosives ,it will not take long for israel and erdogan and nato to increase the quality of the attacks on russian bases..  

so what is new now?
that Russia military budget have been put under more pressure and forced to waste a lot of more money , sending more thousands of soldiers in another conflict to protect armenians.. when they already were forced to do the same in syria..

So what will nato do now?

repeat the same thing ,same formula and provoque master yoda putin "the 4d chessmaster genius"     into more and more wars.. until russia national budget sink to the button, so nato options are plenty , restart ukraine , attack russian soldiers in transnistria. force russia to come under aid of venezuela in another war already happening many thousands of russian special forces there.. there are videos online ,guarding venezuela border with colombia.. on top of all that russia will not have to carry the armenian economy on its shoulders and give loans that they will never pay and so and so..

under master yoda putin fail policies , Russia can be very easily destroyed and defeated and collapsed by over extending its military ,by just forcing putin to come in defense of many countries that nato ,erdogan and israel are already attacking and new ones they will attack.

The message putin is sending to the world.. is.. to every nation in the world ,that choose to defy the american empire , is , that if you make an alliance with Russia ,you are as good as death.. because Russia can properly defend you even guarantee your territory and putin best mistakes are yet to come , with a totally new administration in power in america.. because under biden ,he will help
revive their alqaeda and isis project , and focus now to create an arab spring part 2.. but this time in caucasus and central asia.. so i feel sorry for the russian people , the misery they will have to deal because of the incompetent ,insecure  and very weak president.  It will not surprise me ,that as soon putin popularity becomes very bad in russia for a warship sinked or a military base destroyed and he accept the "apologies" by erdogan or nato ,that the russian military will remove him by force..for incompetent and for his cowardice ,what he is.  Russia is facing war from turkey and azerbaijan ,is war on russia not on armenia and US is likely the masterminds of this conflict.. i knew about nato plans to provoke a war in nagorno karabah more than 10 years ago..  and even the gaming industry call of duties and battlefield games ,which receive input from the CIA , likes to give tips to the russians of the incoming wars they will unleash of them..

look at battlefield 4.. they have already simulated 10 years ago , nato fighting russian soldiers in
azerbaijan , because somehow they predict ( will make it happen) for russia to invade. the interesting thing about that game ,is that they even expected china to join russia in that fight.. which could only happen if russia performance is very bad..  which is what will happen if master yoda putin continues to believe in the myth that their those s-300 and s-400s and tors and pantsirs can protect their soldiers in any place in azerbaijan from the swarm of drones that nato and israel can pull.  
not only putin is the big loser in this war.. but also russian air defenses too ,failed miserably to counter turkey and israel drones..  there are videos of s-300s ,tors and pantsirs destroyed very easily
in the conflict and the russian military will have to go back to the drawing board and either design significantly better defenses or completely change its passiveness and start attacking their enemies in their own territories to destroy their military drones and all their military hardware before they can use them ,something that russia have completely avoided until now..  none of those "Game changing" weapons that putin's brag about will be of any used if he continues being so afraid of confronting their enemies with them ,that are clearly at war with russia ,but master yoda putin behave as if is just a "disagreement" and not facing war.  US , UK ,israel ,turkey have been at war ,proxy war for the total destruction of russia ,since 2011 when first arab spring began and putin have been behaving as if it had nothing to do with them ,the conflicts they are forced to send military to fight.

in summary this is not a victory what putin achieved in armenia ,but a tactical retreat.. and tactical defeat.. his air defenses turned to be outdated ,not good enough for a drone war ,that nato ,israel and turkey unleashed on them.. and you can see that very easily in syria ,by how just 1 single small nation israel with a dozen of drones /missiles per attack ,can constantly manage to hit their intendend targets most of the times.. including defeat russia advanced weapons that putin's provides to syria for its defense.

The russian military will have to put in museums those s-300s and s-400s ,because they are outdated versus modern wars..and i was fucking warning about it many years ago , all you need to know is how very few missiles they can fire each unit.. and when you see that a single long range bomber of nato can carry hundreds of attack drones ,then you know russia have a serious hole in their security and is wasting a fortune in totally obsolete tactics and trainning russian military in a totally outdated way.. in defensive weapons to defend from nato airforce..  because they are not going to blindly charge at russia with hundreds of f-16s or f-22s.. they will send first their waves of cheap drones and decoys, and once those s-300s and s-400s defenses defeated their airforce will enter.. but they will do this through third party players.. like ukraine ,turkey or azerbaijan and others  .
so if people think that putin have achieved any victory in this armenian war ,they are in for very nasty unpleasant surprise.. because now nato knows how to defeat russia air defenses.. and the only thing that russia have to prevent nato from a blitzkrieg on moscow is  the nuclear weapons arsenal of russia and its hypersonic missiles .. but if they offsource this war to any muslim terrorist nation ,like turkey or pakistan or azerbajian things change.. im amazed of how incompetent russia is , is only now in army 2020 ,that for first time i see russia equiping their short air defenses with mini missiles, but this doesn't solve the problem at all.. is just a band aid..  

Russia military will need to go to the drawing board and visualiaze wars with thousands of attack drones ,mini drones with decoys that will overwhelm all their s-300 and s-400s.. and those electronic warfare was showing potential.. until this armenian war conflict.. that did very little to stop those loitering munition and those turkey drones..  they took advantage that their drones can hug terrain to fly under the radar or use mountains to cover their drones advance..

russia will need to replace those s-300s and s-400s almost completely obsolete ,versus very advanced drones wars.. which russia have not faced yet.. from nato ,and replace them with long range rail guns and lazer weapons and anti air precise automatic artillery , things that can confront waves of hundreds of drones per unit. without any refill or human operation.
and design much more agressive and lethal electronic warfare ,but also emp bombs and the return of anti air artillery ,with radars and automated attack guided by computers. im sure china will be worried by now ,of whether it was a good idea to buy those s-400s ,because they can be overwhelmed so easily ,it will not be that much different than s-300s.. with smart use of drones.
lazer mounted drones in planes can also help a lot , the future belong to energy weapons and drones.. and the use of rockets to protect an airspace will become obsolete.. only offensive weapons ,
like hypersonic missiles or space ballistic nukes will remain relevant for very long time.

if any is Putin the one that needs to apologize to pasha for his failure of helping them ,not only armenians were attacked nagorno karabah but also in their main land too and putin looking to the other side.. armenia is only attacked because for their mistake to be allied to russia and have a russian base there. and if he was honest with armenia and wanted to help them for real ,he will advice them to cut relations with russia and join nato.. this is the only way armenia could not only guarantee protection to its territory but also recover its land back.. those are armenian lands for thousands of years , and their number 1 priority should be the interest of armenia ,Armenia first and not to become a meat shield of russia vs nato. is only when master yoda putin becomes isolated of the world and see no nation wants their military bases ,no thanks.. that he will realize he sucks as leader and his foreign policy is a disaster and will step down..
and a new leader will take russia to the next level ,one that truly understand that the only way Russia
can earn respect of its interest and end the unilateral western world ,is with business success , just like china is doing ,by taking the fight to the international business arena and outsmart the west in high tech industries, with scientific and technology leadership and space domination and space exploration leadership..

PapaDragon wrote:

Honestly the best thing Russia can do is to just let Turks rip through the whole region: Armenia, NK, Azerbaijan, Georgia, the full package

Say what you want about Turks but in comparison to Armenians they definitely come off as more honest, upfront, trustworthy and friendly

We let Turkey take the whole Caucasus, then have a classic Russo-Turkish bout and reintegrate the caucasus into the empire, ahem federation

Maximmmm wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Honestly the best thing Russia can do is to just let Turks rip through the whole region: Armenia, NK, Azerbaijan, Georgia, the full package

Say what you want about Turks but in comparison to Armenians they definitely come off as more honest, upfront, trustworthy and friendly

We let Turkey take the whole Caucasus, then have a classic Russo-Turkish bout and reintegrate the caucasus into the empire, ahem federation

good in theory but not in practice..
Russia is not well prepared to confront an alliance of millions of muslim with turkey and azerbaijan behind them and israel and nato behind them too in the end.. arming them with modern weapons..
pakistan have nukes and will join too.. so this will be a total full scale war that will bleed russia to death ,because putin will is weak and will not dare to use nuclear weapons against turkey and azerbajan to stop the war very quickly .  in the past such alliance ended in the defeat of russia ,
when uk and france joined turkey ,in the fight to capture crimea.. a war that russia empire lost and was forced to stop its major progress and advances toward istanbul..that they intended to capture after they kicked turkey from eastern europe.. capturing all around the black sea.

this also could incite major civil unrest in kazan and make kazakistan and all central asia ,join the turkey side. but knowing how hopeless is the future of russia with putin in power , then i will not mind they to try it..  fighting turkey and azerbaijan for the the first time on their own land ,something he have avoided .  this is another reason why i think russia should restart their nuclear weapons program ,abandon all treaties ,of nuclear control and space , he doesn't have enough nukes to completely destroy all militants in central asia and the anglo zionist world..without sacrificing millions of civilians too.. he will need soviet era nuclear warheads level inventories ,but with modernized carriers of precise and small nuke warheads in tactical hypersonic missiles.. the best defense for russia possible is to go on the offense and hit the agressor on their own land ,make it very expensive for them ,any hostility on russia ,and not stay there just taking hits or blocking
their enemies attacks with russian soldiers killed ,planes shot down again and again and again.

imagine if putin was leading the soviet union when hitler invaded..    
russia will have lost the war without a doubt with those cease of fires allowing nazis to regroup
and rearm and improve their tactics and repeat..  70 years ago ,the only way russia enemies during soviet times stopped the agression on russia was when russian flag was planted in berlin by the soviet forces.. so russia problems in caucasus and middle east will not end until the russian flag is the only one waving in ankara ,baku and telaviv. unfortunately zionism ,sunni muslim and nazis the only thing they understand and respect is the use of overwhelming force.

Maximmmm wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Honestly the best thing Russia can do is to just let Turks rip through the whole region: Armenia, NK, Azerbaijan, Georgia, the full package

Say what you want about Turks but in comparison to Armenians they definitely come off as more honest, upfront, trustworthy and friendly

We let Turkey take the whole Caucasus, then have a classic Russo-Turkish bout and reintegrate the caucasus into the empire, ahem federation

It would definitely be more civilized and gentlemenly affair than this shit now

How Armenia is supposed to sustain that small territory they were allowed to keep, in the future, without full recognition of it by Azerbaijan is beyond my comprehension.

I also dont see how the lost of a territory, no matter how poor it is (although we already read it here it has some minerals) from a Indo-European+Eastern Orthodox Christian nation, to a Turkish+Muslim nation, is a win to Russia.

A briefing was held with the participation of the chief of the Main operational Department of the General staff of the Russian armed forces, Colonel-General Sergei Rudsky

Today, NCUA Russia held a briefing with participation of head of Main operational Department of the General staff of armed forces Colonel-General Sergey Rudskoy. The briefing was devoted to the participation of Russian military personnel in the peacekeeping operation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

As you know, on November 10, 2020, in accordance with the agreements of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia and the President of the Russian Federation, a ceasefire was established in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone. Currently, both sides have stopped fighting. Units of the armed forces of Azerbaijan and Armenia are stopped at the occupied borders.

A peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and the Lachin corridor to monitor the implementation of the ceasefire and military operations agreements.

The Russian contingent is based on units of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade of the Central military district. The total number is 1960 military personnel, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment. To ensure the implementation of peacekeeping tasks, it is also planned to use army aviation and complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles.

The peacekeeping contingent consists only of contract service personnel who have received special training to perform peacekeeping tasks.

The personnel received special training in the study and observance of international humanitarian law in armed conflicts.

Almost all military personnel have experience in carrying out tasks to support and protect humanitarian operations in the Syrian Arab Republic.

The peacekeeping contingent is equipped with the most modern weapons, military and special equipment, including BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, tiger and Typhoon armored vehicles, and is provided with all necessary types of allowances.

In order to monitor compliance with the agreements between Armenia and Azerbaijan, it is planned to set up sixteen observation posts in the "North" and "South"areas of responsibility. They will be deployed along the contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor.

They are charged with collecting information on cases of violations of the ceasefire, promptly communicating this data to the command of the peacekeeping forces, as well as maintaining the safety of transit transport and stopping illegal actions against the civilian population. This will facilitate the rapid transition to a peaceful life and the return of refugees.

Military police units that are part of the peacekeeping contingent will also perform tasks in the area of the peacekeeping operation. They are responsible for conducting patrols along the contact line, escorting convoys and cargo.

To manage the operation, the command of the peacekeeping forces was created, which included officers with extensive experience in leading troops in armed conflicts.

On the morning of November 10 this year, the transfer of the Russian peacekeeping contingent from the Ulyanovsk airfield to the Erebuni airfield in Armenia began with Il-76 and an-124 military transport aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces.

During the day, 27 sorties were made. 414 military personnel, 54 units of automobile and special equipment, 8 helicopters, as well as two complexes of unmanned aerial vehicles were transported.

The national defense management Center of the Russian Federation has organized interaction with the relevant ministries and departments, which made it possible to organize the transfer of a peacekeeping contingent to the conflict zone as soon as possible.

To date, advanced units of the Russian Armed Forces contingent have taken control of the Lachin corridor and the Lachin – Lysogorsky state farm road section with temporary observation posts.

Units of the first peacekeeping battalion of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade, after unloading at the Erebuni airfield, made a three-hundred-kilometer March and are completing their concentration in the area of the settlement of Goris. Since November 12, this year, to ensure the safety of the civilian population, it has been planned to deploy observation posts in the zone of responsibility "South", where two days ago there were active hostilities.

Continuous interaction with the General staffs of the armed forces of Azerbaijan and Armenia has been organized to perform peacekeeping tasks, prevent possible incidents, and ensure the safety of Russian servicemen. Direct communication channels are installed.

Together with the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides, work has been organized to clarify the parameters of the peacekeeping operation.

The General staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has deployed a combat control group that monitors the situation around the clock.

The General staff has planned all necessary measures to ensure the safety of Russian military personnel.

The personnel of the peacekeeping contingent understand the full responsibility of the tasks assigned to them and are ready to perform them in strict accordance with the agreements reached.

NOTE: it also appears units of the 102nd Military Base stationed in Armenia are involved in the initial deployment as photos of Russian BMP-2's and T-72B's have shown up. This is the equipment used by the 102nd not the 15th Brigade.

Pacense wrote:How Armenia is supposed to sustain that small territory they were allowed to keep, in the future, without full recognition of it by Azerbaijan is beyond my comprehension.

I also dont see how the lost of a territory, no matter how poor it is (although we already read it here it has some minerals) from a Indo-European+Eastern Orthodox Christian nation, to a Turkish+Muslim nation, is a win to Russia.

I understand the viewpoint but I'll explain my view on it.

Russia didn't have this land nor had real access to it. It was really it's own little thing that Russia didn't even recognize. Sad part was Armenia didn't officially recognize it either.

Anyway, while Christian land being lost to Muslims is bad, overall, it's a win for Russia cause now they have further cemented interest in that region by having troops there.

You see, previously Armenia was becoming a EU and NATO vassal. After the overthrow of the government in their little own color revolution, Pashin there was playing footsies with US. So it was only a matter of time Armenia would pull a Georgia and try to cut ties with Russia. In this outcome though, Russia will continue to have a place there.

As well, A lot of Armenia have also seen the reality of things under Pashin. They know they were not only abandoned by NATO and EU, but it was a NATO state (Turkey) which was actively involved in this on the side of Azerbaijan and NATO kept mum about it. Then there was NATO buttbuddy Georgia that was all over this as well by preventing Russia using their airspace to transport gear and supplies for Armenia while they were more than happy to help transport terrorists to Azerbaijan.

Armenia ended up getting a cold dose of reality. How they will take it though is up for debate. But if they decide to not blame Russia on this like they always had previously, they may wake up to knowing Russia is their only real source of protection here (especially when we know infighting exists even in NATO).

So this just cements Russia's position in the region and kind of prevents Turkey going too far and same with NATO.

Russia leaves little room for Turkey in Azeri-Armenian truce

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/11/turkey-russia-armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-deal.html?fbclid=IwAR0BB6ZQ2KQyX4gzo1nm4hb7n3oXImoKqGq2HrMeJSv-uQRUAxkOs0E0BuU#ixzz6dQccdt9m

...A curious aspect of the deal requires one to distinguish between winners and losers both on the battlefield and at the negotiating table. Azerbaijan and Turkey were the winners on the ground, but Russia and Azerbaijan have emerged as the winners at the negotiating table. Turkey’s diplomatic gains appear dubious. Azeri President Ilham Aliyev mentioned a role for Turkey in monitoring the cease-fire, but Moscow was quick to assert that only Russian peacekeepers would be deployed.

For Moscow, the deal realizes a 2018 proposal to deploy Russian peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh, which both sides had rejected at the time. It amounts to Russian control of Nagorno-Karabakh’s most populous and economically developed region and puts an end to the enclave’s status as an Armenian-run territory...

Pacense wrote:How Armenia is supposed to sustain that small territory they were allowed to keep, in the future, without full recognition of it by Azerbaijan is beyond my comprehension.

I also dont see how the lost of a territory, no matter how poor it is (although we already read it here it has some minerals) from a Indo-European+Eastern Orthodox Christian nation, to a Turkish+Muslim nation, is a win to Russia.

The area being returned was originally Azeri land taken from them in the last war 30 years ago. NK is actually a small enclave of Armenian's in mountainous terrain surrounded by Azerbaijan people and territory. During the last war the Armenian's had taken control of all the Azeri land separating Armenia proper and the NK. This land minus a corridor is being returned to Azerbaijan.

I like View from night vision. Notice, you can see birds fly at night. So you can see drone.


https://youtu.be/Tc80R2nbnd8

And a dozen cheap laser, make drone useless and crash.


https://youtu.be/NIOh9-RoAaE

Now couple the night vision to laser jammer !  No TV show tonight. Cost?


https://youtu.be/Rqrm8cGhH4M

Two things are certain after this conflict.

1. Armenia reduces reliance on Russia, which did nothing when Azerbaijan shelled Armenia proper. US base in Armenia to be set up by Biden / Harris to defend Armenia from Turkics.

and

2. Armenia vastly increases its own military capability. Wing Loong 10 here we come.

Protest in Armenia getting bigger by the minute. Pushinyan is done. Pushinyan will be replaced by a pro west man. I can see Belarus and Armenia out of Russian sphere by next year.

Pacense wrote:...I also dont see how the lost of a territory, no matter how poor it is (although we already read it here it has some minerals) from a Indo-European+Eastern Orthodox Christian nation, to a Turkish+Muslim nation, is a win to Russia.

It was proven time and time again that concept of Christian solidarity is something you can only wipe your ass with

Trying to adhere to it has cost Russia plenty already with little to show for

That's something​ for Vatican to bother with

This is about Russian geopolitical interests not about Christianity

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Protest in Armenia getting bigger by the minute. Pushinyan is done. Pushinyan will be replaced by a pro west man. I can see Belarus and Armenia out of Russian sphere by next year.

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Pashinyan is pro west man, who betray Artzakh and surrender it to Turks by the order from the West. Pashinyan was installed on power by US NGOs, CIA and Soros.

medo wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Protest in Armenia getting bigger by the minute. Pushinyan is done. Pushinyan will be replaced by a pro west man. I can see Belarus and Armenia out of Russian sphere by next year.

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Pashinyan is pro west man, who betray Artzakh and surrender it to Turks by the order from the West. Pashinyan was installed on power by US NGOs, CIA and Soros.

Western propaganda. Pushinyan is pro Russia. That's why he bought Su-30. If he were pro West as depicted in Western propaganda he buy F-16. Anyway, from now on Armenia won't buy military hardware from Russia and transition to western military hardware the way Azerbaijan did.