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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:08 pm

    You don't get it. Those Russian peacekeepers are trip-wire forces; they are meant to die, and galvanize political support towards a war with the aggressor just like their peers in Abkhazia did.

    I would agree, but would add that this is not just a tripwire you can cut and just walk through... these soldiers are not expendable and Turkey should not expect to just walk through them... their job will be to create and hold a defence while the cavalry gets formed up and sent on its way.

    Aggression will likely be punished... if the Azeris have started a war then that needs to stop first... if the Armenians can't do that by themselves then Russia will certainly assist... especially if Turkey interferes by sending Syrian terrorists... in fact I hope they do... good way to deal with them in the open and exposed looking at the videos posted so far showing terrain...
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:15 pm

    If Armenia offers to give up these regions for recognition of Armenian sovereignty in ethnically Armenian lands prewar in return, then things can be spoken.

    But Armenia considers entire occupation zone to be Armenian, which is false.

    That could have happened during peace time, but after an invasion it is the winner that dictates terms.

    As Stalin said to Finland... he wanted small pieces and they refused so he invaded and his forces were terribly damaged but they won and then he took more than he asked for... because they made him fight for it...

    To their credit when they allied with Nazi Germany they only took back what they lost, and went no further, which probably prevented Finland becoming part of Russia again...
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:18 pm

    For correction,

    First invasion was carried out by Armenia on Azerbaijan without any negotiations, so Azerbaijan is not the first aggressor.

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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:31 pm

    Russia shares a border with Azerbaijan. If they touch Russian they bwill get 100 times more violence than what Georgia got.

    If they are impressed by atgm launched by drones they will have an orgasm when those hundreds of su-24/34 start bombing their heads with 1000kg bombs.

    I guess annexing Azerbaijan would be good for Russia. More oil and they could send local population in Turkey making another refugee crisis for Turkey which already spend a lot for Syrian ones.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:40 pm

    It does not matter, who started it. There is an unresolved situation. Karabag, is not the only area that Armenia has taken from Azeri control. They made advances elsewhere too.  Iran said, they will not tolerate war in region. Russia  needs to  stop giving support to Armenia, when it advances against Azeris. Iran may have to come in and clean the entire area. Push back invading Armenians. Turks. And ISIS scumbags. Azerbaijan is not Russian territory. And Russia clearly and unfairly favours Armenia expansion. Iran will not be happy with that. Since Azeris are essentially Iranian, not Turks. So save your 1000 lbs bombs.........
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:45 pm

    Better deal would be to annex Armenia into Russia. Just make it a separate republic like it was in the USSR.

    Annexing Azerbaijan by force would be too much.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:57 pm



    As long as Iran reunites R. AZER with Iran. It is a deal.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:21 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Better deal would be to annex Armenia into Russia. Just make it a separate republic like it was in the USSR.

    Annexing Azerbaijan by force would be too much.

    Armenia doesn't want to be absorbed by the Federation, they want partnership yes but not to become an actual part of them.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:22 pm

    Isos wrote:Russia shares a border with Azerbaijan. If they touch Russian they bwill get 100 times more violence than what Georgia got.

    If they are impressed by atgm launched by drones they will have an orgasm when those hundreds of su-24/34 start bombing their heads with 1000kg bombs.

    I guess annexing Azerbaijan would be good for Russia. More oil and they could send local population in Turkey making another refugee crisis for Turkey which already spend a lot for Syrian ones.

    Azerbaijan will not attack Russia though, they aren't that stupid.
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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:07 pm

    Azerbaijan will not attack Russia though, they aren't that stupid.

    I was answering to the one who said russians in Armenia are put there to be killed...
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:12 pm

    Remember, Russia blown to pieces because of a burger in 1991.

    And it was not mustard sauced.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:16 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Remember, Russia blown to pieces because of a burger in 1991.

    And it was not mustard sauced.

    Are you a special kind of retarded?

    And I keep telling other Muslims to stop fucking their first cousins cause it causes mental retardation in their offsprings

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:21 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:
    Azerbaijan is operating in Azerbaijani soil. This is recognized by all UN countries including Russia. This is not Georgia shelling Abkhazia. Because Russia considers Abkhazia as a sovereign state. But as for Azerbaijani territory, Russia does not recognize any sovereign states within Azerbaijan.
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    Well this is also due to stupidly drawb bordes by the communists after the russian revolution (and the recovery of the Caucasus)

    This was more or less the ethnic situation in the Russian empire

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    If I am not mistaken navgorno karabakh was included in the Azeri SSR even though the majority of the population was Armenian...


    Anyway, if Turkey does not stop with such idiocies, Armenia can instead gain a bit of land on its own west...

    Maybe it will also happen in contemporary to the liberation of the Second Rome after more 5 centuries of occupation...

    I am sure that Russia can organize some space in central Asia for the turks currently occupying Anatolia Twisted Evil
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:32 pm

    Armenia is surrounded by 100 million Turks, 10 to East, 20 to South, 70 to West.

    Russia has 20% Turkic and Muslim population within itself, excluding Central Asian republics.

    During Ramadan prayer, streets of Muscow is completely filled with these people, not some unibrow armenoids.

    Remember, it was the Genghis Khan who conquered Russia in Winter, and made himself to Coat of Arms of Russia, depicting liberalization of Muscovy from Golden Horde invasion.

    Russia is not dumb to kick off a war within itself to save some 3 million oldies.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:53 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Armenia is surrounded by 100 million Turks, 10 to East, 20 to South, 70 to West.

    Russia has 20% Turkic and Muslim population within itself, excluding Central Asian republics.

    During Ramadan prayer, streets of Muscow is completely filled with these people, not some unibrow armenoids.

    Remember, it was the Genghis Khan who conquered Russia in Winter, and made himself to Coat of Arms of Russia, depicting liberalization of Muscovy from Golden Horde invasion.

    Russia is not dumb to kick off a war within itself to save some 3 million oldies.

    Maybe a large chunk of turks will convert to orthodox christianity... afterwards, after the the ottomans completed the occupation of Anatolia in the 15 th century the large majority of the population of that peninsula was still composed by orthodox Christians.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:09 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Armenia is surrounded by 100 million Turks, 10 to East, 20 to South, 70 to West.

    Russia has 20% Turkic and Muslim population within itself, excluding Central Asian republics.

    During Ramadan prayer, streets of Muscow is completely filled with these people, not some unibrow armenoids.

    Remember, it was the Genghis Khan who conquered Russia in Winter, and made himself to Coat of Arms of Russia, depicting liberalization of Muscovy from Golden Horde invasion.

    Russia is not dumb to kick off a war within itself to save some 3 million oldies.
    Kim Kardashian alone has a 66M army behind her back. Add Khloe and Kourtney and that's 53M more. Her husband Yeezus, can call upon a 30M crusade to retake Constantinople. For reserves, their half-sisters Kylie and Kendall can mobilize a further 65M and have a war chest that significantly outsizes the economies of Turkey and Azerbaijan. Check and mate.

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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:35 pm

    Yeah an army of prostitutes and porn stars.

    How likely for Armenia
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:54 pm

    That actually makes sense.

    Having some influencers declare their support for Armenia may result in several thousand volunteers showing up in Artsakh. Plus America is Christian and Americans won't go to fight for a Muslim country against a Christian one.
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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:09 pm

    Turkey does nothing when Russians bomb the shit out of turkmens in Syria across their border. What do you expect them to do against Russia in Azerbaijan ?

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:19 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Armenia is surrounded by 100 million Turks, 10 to East, 20 to South, 70 to West.

    Russia has 20% Turkic and Muslim population within itself, excluding Central Asian republics.

    During Ramadan prayer, streets of Muscow is completely filled with these people, not some unibrow armenoids.

    Remember, it was the Genghis Khan who conquered Russia in Winter, and made himself to Coat of Arms of Russia, depicting liberalization of Muscovy from Golden Horde invasion.

    Russia is not dumb to kick off a war within itself to save some 3 million oldies.

    Incorrect.

    Russia has 7-8% Muslim pop in Russia. Moscow max 50,000 when population is 14M.

    Basic facts elude Muslims. They love to make up numbers.

    http://masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm

    Stop screwing your cousin.


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    Post  littlerabbit Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:20 pm

    I was thinking about something...Azerbaijan and Armenia are losing a lot of armored vehicles and other capital weapons.

    Strong Erdogan support can mean a lot more Turkish weapon sales to Azerbaijan (they have a lot of money). It's a win-win situation for Turkey. Neutral
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:26 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:I was thinking about something...Azerbaijan and Armenia are losing a lot of armored vehicles and other capital weapons.

    Strong Erdogan support can mean a lot more Turkish weapon sales to Azerbaijan (they have a lot of money). It's a win-win situation for Turkey. Neutral  

    That's all it is.

    Turkey knows it's screwed unless they can get control of all these little shitholes around them and use them for resources and trade.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:07 pm

    Armenia will take this easily.
    I start thinking that ultimately Erdoğan is screwed big time.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:18 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Armenian capital is next to Turkish 3rd Army. I mean, walking distance.

    An army equal to entire population of Revan is just some yards away capital Revan.

    No Armenian defences exist at all, as they would be all vulnerable.

    I dont know what Armenia is trying to do but they are active on a soil which even the occupant republic is not recognized by Armenia.

    Absolutely no way that Russia wouldn't defend Armenia in the face of a Turkish invasion

    As for Nagorno-Karabakh, this whole shit show is a result of Russia, Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan; basically everyone
    The most intelligent proposals were always from the Azeris. In the 90s they proposed Armenians to withdraw forces from Azeri territories outside Karabakh, to discuss the future status of the region, and to construct a pipeline through Armenia so that both countries can profit.
    The Russian elites in the 90s blocked it.

    But of course Russia will covertly help Armenia at least with supplies and intel, even in Karabakh.
    Turkey is NATO and if they get involved so will Russia. Russia still remembers the Chechen war where Turkish intelligence was active.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:47 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Armenia is surrounded by 100 million Turks, 10 to East, 20 to South, 70 to West.

    Russia has 20% Turkic and Muslim population within itself, excluding Central Asian republics.

    During Ramadan prayer, streets of Muscow is completely filled with these people, not some unibrow armenoids.

    Remember, it was the Genghis Khan who conquered Russia in Winter, and made himself to Coat of Arms of Russia, depicting liberalization of Muscovy from Golden Horde invasion.

    Russia is not dumb to kick off a war within itself to save some 3 million oldies.

    Armenia is not a threat to all Turkic peoples much less all Muslims

    I doubt they much care.

    Azeri propaganda is certainly active in Russia though, trying to agitate Bashkirs and Tatars against the Armenian and Kurdish communities in their own republics. But most of them have no time for it. Azerbaijan to them is a seperate country, related but seperate.

    Kazakhs in Russia are quite mild people. The ones in Kazakhstan are increasingly converting to pan-Turkic Nazism and calling for a war to drive out Russians; no doubt they're secretly supported by the Kazakhstan elites. But they're not an immediate threat, other than all the shit they talk on Youtube.

    And other than those Russia has plenty of Muslims, but they are either in the Caucasus and have their own suspicions of Turkey, or they're migrants like in Moscow and don't have time for politics. The Circassians were once Turkey's loyal allies but they got fucked by false promises from the Turks and the ensuing brutal war with the Russian Empire meant their expulsion of most of their people (this is a seperate issue where Moscow today is being completely inadequate, and unless it takes steps to resolve it and repatriate Circassians from abroad, recognize the crimes, then it will eventually lead to problems). So the Circassians are not going to take any side of Turkey and more than that they're very much against pan-Turkism as that benefits their rivals the Turkic Balkars and Karachays.
    Chechens and Ingush have little time for Turkey. Dagestanis all the more so. Balkars, Karachays - probably as well, as they're surrounded by peoples with no sympathy to Turkey anyway.

    Russia will not declare any public support to Armenia or take a public stance on the war other than to call for peace.
    But on the ground I'm quite sure there is plenty of co-ordination. Especially if Turkey insists on getting itself involved on the Azeris behalf which it apparently is not making a secret of.

    One more thing you're forgetting. Any Turkish agitation or meddling in Russia, will of course be met with the reactivation of the PKK in southern Turkey, armed with the latest in Russian military-industrial production. It's not for nothing that Russia moved in there last September and has switched to angling some autonomy for the Kurds in spite of Erdogan's and Assad's wishes.


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