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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:07 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Regular wrote:I don't think much will change with Bidden. Deep state never went never went away and the swamp wasn't drained

    I disagree.  If there was a unified deep state, then we would not have seen the insane polarization of the last 4 years.
    It would have been like the previous decades with some level of frenzy like under Bush Jr.   The events of the last 4 years
    are singular for the USA so the idea that everything was the same as far as elites were concerned is not valid.

    The Deep-State hasn't been unified over the past 30 years and Bush Jr. was constantly attacked by Soros media, but he recently became their darling by being anti-Trump and all of a sudden Bush Jr.'s sins have been forgiven. The Deep-State is primarily defined and split between the Soros/Tech Elite vs the Koch Brothers old industry/Neocon elite. Trump is no messiah to save America, they hate him because he refuses to be told what to do all the time (all though he conceded many times over the past 4 years) and he has a tendency to be volatile. Trump want's to be 'The President' like the masses believe that role to be, as opposed to what the Deep-State defines that roll to be (as a expendable puppet). Trump really wants to run the show, for better or worse but don't be mistaken Trump is still a dog turd, but he looks better by default because the Deep-State looks like a old malfunctioning sewage plant by comparison.

    The split of globalists-focus and domestic-focus elites is real and growing for assorted reasons that I mentioned already. There is
    feedback directly on the wallets of these elites from these processes. Several years ago there was a delegation from Congress to
    China wanting to sort out the whole sweatshop situation. America wants labour costs kept down, but China is developing and
    even sweatshop workers are getting paid more.

    Imagine Russia sending such an imperial delegation anywhere. America gets away with mass murder.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:38 pm

    Biden got to 270, so he is the next president.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Biden got to 270, so he is the next president.

    The Fate of Empires, i guess.
    Biden is now proof positive of America entering the final stage, Decline/Fall.

    That said, let's wait for the Supreme Courts verdict.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:01 pm

    Stress Of Presidency Already Ages Biden 10 Years
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:01 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:...How do you guys predict the situation to develop in the near future?

    Biden went on record that he will be one term president which is clearly setting up a groundwork for Harris to run next term, female and black is preffered combo of liberal crowd, Tucker Carlson could go for Republicans in 24

    Trump will be fighting this tooth and nail, they already said that they want to throw him in prison (Clinton Cartel doesn't take kindly to being trifled with)  

    Polarisation is insane and unprecedented

    This means that for next 4 years they will be too busy with their own issues while foreign policy will be left on auto-pilot

    And if he tries making big waves abroad while situation at home is like this it will be even worse for them

    Biden wants to ally with China against Russia (dogma of the old white European political elite of the USA) but after last 4 years of their own voters declaring China the Devil over Uighur and Hong Kong ''oppression'' it will be nearly impossible for him to make that switch, China is anathema for USA now which means they will be stuck

    They may try to reheat the Ukraine or do something in Syria but Russians are way too ready for that to work (and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind taking some more chunks from east Ukraine and adding them to Novorossia)  

    Biden (very loudly) promised to his voters complete opposite of what his bosses want him to do which means that his only course of action is to do nothing while yelling that he will do something until his term ends and he can peace out


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:...How do you guys predict the situation to develop in the near future?

    Biden went on record that he will be one term president which is clearly setting up a groundwork for Harris to run next term, female and black is preffered combo of liberal crowd, Tucker Carlson could go for Republicans in 24

    Trump will be fighting this tooth and nail, they already said that they want to throw him in prison (Clinton Cartel doesn't take kindly to being trifled with)  

    Polarisation is insane and unprecedented

    This means that for next 4 years they will be too busy with their own issues while foreign policy will be left on auto-pilot

    And if he tries making big waves abroad while situation at home is like this it will be even worse for them

    Biden wants to ally with China against Russia (dogma of the old white European political elite of the USA) but after last 4 years of their own voters declaring China the Devil over Uighur and Hong Kong ''oppression'' it will be nearly impossible for him to make that switch, China is anathema for USA now which means they will be stuck

    They may try to reheat the Ukraine or do something in Syria but Russians are way too ready for that to work (and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind taking some more chunks from east Ukraine and adding them to Novorossia)  

    Biden (very loudly) promised to his voters complete opposite of what his bosses want him to do which means that his only course of action is to do nothing while yelling that he will do something until his term ends and he can peace out



    thats the thing, the whole game they both played (democrats and Republicans) against China, I dont think China is interested much more with USA other than trade. They will take the trade deals but that is about it. China has signed far too many agreements (when Obama was in power) with Russia, that there is no turning back between China and Russia tbh. Maybe sometime in the future but definately not now.

    America screwed up its foreign policy pretty badly here.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:41 pm

    I find it amusing how Arizona was 'flipped' in favor of Biden. I remember through the 2010's that Arizona was definitively 'red' and was one of the nexuses for Anti-Obama sentiment with figures like Sheriff Arpaio. It went suddenly 'blue' out of no where, but we all know why. Wink
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:21 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Biden got to 270, so he is the next president.

    No he hasn't. That's fake news atm.

    That is a projected by the media figure based on current, many incomplete, counts. Too many states, not just the disputed ones, have not declared yet.

    He is likely to win but even he hasn't claimed it yet. It could be the middle of next month before he is legally President elect.

    Trump released this today

    “We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over.

    Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor.

    In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

    “Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.

    “So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”


    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/statement-from-president-donald-j.-trump/

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    This means that for next 4 years they will be too busy with their own issues while foreign policy will be left on auto-pilot

    And if he tries making big waves abroad while situation at home is like this it will be even worse for them


    Beg to disagree.

    The problems at home, in particular Covid and finances, will almost inevitably lead to the need for a war to distract the people, especially as the Democrats love overseas wars. My bet is Venezuela as the main alternative, Iran, is likely to bite back.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:40 am

    kvs wrote:I will totally disagree with Flamming about Russia being the same as the USA but the rest of his comment is spot on.

    Hahaha exactly! That was a quite good post actually, until the classical commie difficulty to assume every civilized society has productive forces and organizative ones appeared, the exact reason why communism is so nice as an idea and so bad in the practice if you ask me...

    Let us face it: the elites rule ALL countries. Some of them are patriotic and do their f* job to develop and protect the country, normally because they depend on that country not being eaten up to survive themselves, while some are leeches without any sort of identification with their "country" but rather to the metropolis. When you have the first situation, a Putin or a Xi Jinping comes to power, when not, normally because your country has been colonized or subjugated somehow, you get leaders like the Western or Latin American ones, which run the country like a farm instead of like they would take care of their home. No need to clarify to what group Biden belongs I think...

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:51 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    This means that for next 4 years they will be too busy with their own issues while foreign policy will be left on auto-pilot

    And if he tries making big waves abroad while situation at home is like this it will be even worse for them


    Beg to disagree.

    The problems at home, in particular Covid and finances, will almost inevitably lead to the need for a war to distract the people, especially as the Democrats love overseas wars. My bet is Venezuela as the main alternative, Iran, is likely to bite back.

    I get where you are going with this, but no Venezuela wont cut it.
    It's just gonna look like another War to waste time, lives and money for the MIC.

    What the Dems need is a unifying enemy, and there are only China and Russia, considering there ties with China, we know that's not gonna happen, so expect a renewed effort in Belarus, Ukraine, Syria and maybe Iran.
    Russia better prep themselves for a very annoying 4 years.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:59 am

    miketheterrible wrote:...I dont think China is interested much more with USA other than trade.  They will take the trade deals but that is about it...

    Oh believe me, China would love to go back under USA's skirt and would jump at first opportunity

    But their image among US voters is completely torched, nobody would risk doing anything with them (unless they give away Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Tibet)



    JohninMK wrote:...The problems at home, in particular Covid and finances, will almost inevitably lead to the need for a war to distract the people, especially as the Democrats love overseas wars. My bet is Venezuela as the main alternative, Iran, is likely to bite back.

    True, I wasn't considering Venezuela

    But Iran is off the table, they are Obama's buddies and Obama is new Jesus

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:03 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    I get where you are going with this, but no Venezuela wont cut it.
    It's just gonna look like another War to waste time, lives and money for the MIC.

    What the Dems need is a unifying enemy, and there are only China and Russia, considering there ties with China, we know that's not gonna happen, so expect a renewed effort in Belarus, Ukraine, Syria and maybe Iran.
    Russia better prep themselves for a very annoying 4 years.

    To an extent I agree with you but the countries you mention are in some ways already tried war failures or invisible to the US electorate or in the case of Iran likely to cause grief in return. None are likely to see an actual US full frontal attack.

    There is really no slam dunk target.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:07 am

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    Post  LMFS on Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:15 am

    The dogs are already howling in joy, welcoming the return of their masters...  angel

    NATO Secretary General congratulated Biden on his election victory

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp%3Frid%3D1%26nid%3D541239%26lang%3DRU


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:16 am

    LMFS wrote:The dogs are already howling in joy to see their masters return...  angel

    NATO Secretary General congratulated Biden on his election victory

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp%3Frid%3D1%26nid%3D541239%26lang%3DRU

    ...
    The most DC celebration. A NATO flag draped around a Biden supporter in front of the White House.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:23 am

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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:25 am

    Since Uncle Swine-shit did not have much traction over Russia with the standard Cold War themes, the recent makeover into
    a tranny toilet paradise will be the new wedge to put Russia down. At the UN and around the world Swine-shit will bleat about
    how in Russia there are not rights for trannies to use women's toilets and how LGBTXYZ is oppressed because pedophiles go behind
    bars and it is illegal to expose children to sexualization and LGBTXYZ indoctrination.

    UN committees will be calling for Russia to be expelled from the UN Security Council and for Saudi Arabia to take its place.
    Because Saudi Arabia is a tolerant, LGBTXYZ loving country.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:30 am

    From 1946 to 2000 alone, the US government has meddled in the elections of other sovereign countries 81 times.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:36 am

    These two veterans have something to say about war criminal Joe Biden:
    “Millions are dead in Iraq. We actually fought in your damn wars. You sent us to hurt civilians.”

    https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1324457462712344576

    If anyone is still wondering if Biden is senile:
    Joe Biden says he voted for the Iraq war... to stop the Iraq war.

    How does he say this stuff with a straight face?

    https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1324475104730832896
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:31 am


    Joe Bidenshenko is giving victory speech

    I have a feeling that handover ceremony will be pretty awkward considering how Trump doesn't feel like leaving Cool

    Also, is it possible for US president to legally pardon himself?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:33 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Joe Bidenshenko is giving victory speech

    I have a feeling that handover ceremony will be pretty awkward considering how Trump doesn't feel like leaving Cool

    Also, is it possible for US president to legally pardon himself?


    Hard to say the constitution doesn't say a President cannot this is something the supreme court would need to rule on really.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:11 am

    It would be impossible to prove Fraud with paper ballots since the only way to do it is basically check each vote to see if the person is alive or exists. So finding evidence is near impossible without spending months and months.

    The US government keeps enormous lists and careful tabs on people around the world... you saying they can't tell whether george smith is alive or dead... a quick look to see if he is paying tax would be a good start, and collecting information on people who died would also help as something that could be quickly checked and compared...

    Biden went on record that he will be one term president which is clearly setting up a....

    Well if he is going to be a one term president he really does not need to do anything... his claim to fame in US history will be the Democrat who stopped Trumps second term... that will be enough... they will want a peace prize for that I guess...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:41 am

    GarryB wrote:
    It would be impossible to prove Fraud with paper ballots since the only way to do it is basically check each vote to see if the person is alive or exists. So finding evidence is near impossible without spending months and months.

    The US government keeps enormous lists and careful tabs on people around the world... you saying they can't tell whether george smith is alive or dead... a quick look to see if he is paying tax would be a good start, and collecting information on people who died would also help as  something that could be quickly checked and compared...

    Biden went on record that he will be one term president which is clearly setting up a....

    Well if he is going to be a one term president he really does not need to do anything... his claim to fame in US history will be the Democrat who stopped Trumps second term... that will be enough... they will want a peace prize for that I guess...

    No, it cannot.

    They would need to verify Smith is alive and is walking about by confirming it in person, since Smith would have given enough details to prove they exist to get a ballot in the first place. So the paperwork would be worthless, this isn't some Hollywood movie where you can press a single button and go "Okay its not fake"
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:38 am

    So who think they will get their civil war ?

    If it happens I'm sure some countries will send thousabd of ak-47 for free there, you know,  Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Russia, North korea... to feed that war like they fed wars inside those countries

    A weired thing however is that Israel was for Trump and since the election is clearly staged the deep state seems to  have changed.

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