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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:41 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys are you sure Democrats are so warlike?

    110% sure (personal experience)

    As for Republicans and Afghanistan there was a very good reason for that (and Democrats were fully on board, Iraq as well)

    Also Arab Spring and the Ukraine happened under Democrats
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:47 pm

    I have been under an impresssion that both sides have largely similar outlook on foreign policy and differ only in regards to internal politics.

    I may simply not know US politics well enough.
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    Post  franco Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:49 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys are you sure Democrats are so warlike?

    Yes, the Republicans are more focused internally while the Democrats have their "national exceptionalism" driving them to dominate the world. It was Clinton who pushed the NWO with American domination and told their allies, support us and reap the rewards. Oppose us and you don't have a say anyways. George W and his gang carried this right on.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:02 pm

    franco wrote:If Porkie and gang are back in control, another full assault on Donbas would not be out of the question along with action against Crimea to provoke the bear.

    I am certain that if they attempt in DNR and LNR, they will trigger Russian response anyway. Most likely indirectly. But if they attempt anything in Crimea, they will provoke a response directly. And in that case, they can say goodbye to their lives.

    They aren't that dumb. At least I dont think they are.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:20 pm


    Biden took Wisconsin

    He's got this in the bag, Democrats win



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    Post  par far Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:29 pm

    It does not matter who wins this, these are just puppets. They will do as they are told.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:57 pm

    franco wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Guys are you sure Democrats are so warlike?

    Yes, the Republicans are more focused internally while the Democrats have their "national exceptionalism" driving them to dominate the world. It was Clinton who pushed the NWO with American domination and told their allies, support us and reap the rewards. Oppose us and you don't have a say anyways. George W and his gang carried this right on.  

    I think your giving the Republicunts too much slack, U.S. politics is a Kabuki theatre....when the hidden hand told them (U.S. politicians) to go to war with Iraq it was bipartisan, when they told them to bailout the banks it was bipartisan, when they told them to pull out of all nuclear treaties and be adversarial towards Russia/China it was also bipartisan.

    The Repugnants aren't even real conservatives, they've supported creating world record debts disguised as military spending, and many of them are child molesters behind the scenes. Really fundamentally no different than their Demoncrap counterparts.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:00 pm

    The International Community must come together to intervene in this political crisis in the US, put UN Peacekeepers on America's streets to separate potentially warring gangs of armed militants, restore law & constitutional order & ensure a new truly free & fair election is held.

    https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1323902276348583936

    A declining capitalism makes Americans desperate.
    Half go for an old huckster's promised return to "greatness."
    Half go for an old establishment politico's promised return to pre-Trump "normalcy."
    Meanwhile, underneath their mutual blame politics, the system's decline continues.

    https://twitter.com/profwolff/status/1324064369525760001

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:32 pm

    Truman represented the essence of Demorats. Real racists who pretend to be progressives. The Demorat party is the
    party of slavery in the USA. That is not hyperbole. They have managed to hoodwink blacks by talking up progressivism
    but only use them as voter sheep.

    Truman sneered at Russians as "those Asiatics". As if there is something wrong with Asiatics compared to Amerikkka with its
    genocide of aboriginal peoples. And the US was engaged in ripping up the treaties it signed with the aboriginals in the 1960s
    and 1970s. So it's not "ancient history".

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    Post  LMFS Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:35 pm

    kvs wrote:Note that Biden practically foams at the mouth when he designates Russia as America's existential enemy.   Trump has to
    play this US "foreign threat" game but chooses China as a target.   He also did not start a hate campaign over the recent
    Navalny hoax.   Some Demorat president would have turned it into an international crisis.  

    There is no legacy of severe demonization of China like with Russia in the USA.   So when Trump targets China that does not
    move us to WWIII and his aim at China revolves around economic issues.   Biden's Russia hate is some sort of fucking crusade
    of extermination.  

    Totally agree, and it relates transparently to who each of the parties represent:

    Republicans try to oppose the globalist cabal that tries to dissolve the state power and substitute it with a faceless, unelected corporate / financial dictatorship and instead want to reinforce and re-industrialize the country. Therefore, other conservative governments across the glove are their natural allies while China is their main threat.

    Democrats on the contrary see China as the ultimate milk cow and Russia as the roadblock that has been stopping them for the last two centuries both in terms of military supremacy and for the control of the "heartland", the core of Eurasia. They foam at the mouth at the prospect of getting it out of the way and there is nothing they repent more than not having done just that after WWII or after the Cold War. I don't think they consider allowing themselves more failures.

    So yes, being a fascist idiot as he is, Trump is the less bad of the options. And democrats means a surge in the destabilisation activity of the West and very specially in the Russian borders, also more than probably some good offer to the Chinese that will test the kind of ally they are. I think Russia is very aware of the acute risk they face, hence the quiet but resolute rearmament efforts and serious warnings of late.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:41 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I have been under an impresssion that both sides have largely similar outlook on foreign policy and differ only in regards to internal politics.

    I may simply not know US politics well enough.

    I would have agreed some years ago, today they really are at each-other's throats. Not all the Republicans support the Trump approach, of course, but that is the political space and direction that has been left for their party.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:55 pm

    kvs wrote:Truman represented the essence of Demorats.   Real racists who pretend to be progressives.   The Demorat party is the
    party of slavery in the USA.   That is not hyperbole.    They have managed to hoodwink blacks by talking up progressivism
    but only use them as voter sheep.  

    Truman sneered at Russians as "those Asiatics".  As if there is something wrong with Asiatics compared to Amerikkka with its
    genocide of aboriginal peoples.   And the US was engaged in ripping up the treaties it signed with the aboriginals in the 1960s
    and 1970s.   So it's not "ancient history".


    "Trump isn't anti-Russia or supports her destruction" but he still pulled out of all the relevant nuclear treaties, he didn't even make a an attempt to save the INF/START treaties in any form or fashion! Mad He didn't even make an attempt to clean it up with a faux apologetic speech that he couldn't save the treaties. He was just as bellicose as his Democrat counterparts there, so that fly's right in front of your argument completely.  Embarassed The U.S. media didn't even once criticize him for doing it either, so that tells you something! Shocked

    Didn't Trump mock "Burevestnik" calling it flying junk? Almost like he doesn't take Russia's thermonuclear potential seriously! pwnd As the saying goes 'actions speaker louder than words!' Wink
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:32 pm

    kvs wrote:Fake news my ass.
    2020 US elections. What's the status of pindostan and their 2nd civil war? - Page 2 El_LS2UXEAI7yFW?format=jpg&name=small

    Just to point out one thing: jumps like these are not something that happens spontaneously

    And to just stop counting ballots during what is already a national crisis?

    This isn't East Europe, this is bush league East Europe  Cool




    As for fresh news:

    Trump claims victory in Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina AND Michigan

    https://www.rt.com/usa/505637-michigan-pennsylvania-trump-claims/

    US President Donald Trump has claimed victory in three states that haven't been called officially, as well as Michigan which has been called for his Democrat challenger Joe Biden, claiming ballot irregularities. ....

    This is where the fun begins Cool


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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:46 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:Truman represented the essence of Demorats.   Real racists who pretend to be progressives.   The Demorat party is the
    party of slavery in the USA.   That is not hyperbole.    They have managed to hoodwink blacks by talking up progressivism
    but only use them as voter sheep.  

    Truman sneered at Russians as "those Asiatics".  As if there is something wrong with Asiatics compared to Amerikkka with its
    genocide of aboriginal peoples.   And the US was engaged in ripping up the treaties it signed with the aboriginals in the 1960s
    and 1970s.   So it's not "ancient history".


    "Trump isn't anti-Russia or supports her destruction" but he still pulled out of all the relevant nuclear treaties, he didn't even make a an attempt to save the INF/START treaties in any form or fashion! Mad He didn't even make an attempt to clean it up with a faux apologetic speech that he couldn't save the treaties. He was just as bellicose as his Democrat counterparts there, so that fly's right in front of your argument completely.  Embarassed The U.S. media didn't even once criticize him for doing it either, so that tells you something! Shocked

    Didn't Trump mock "Burevestnik" calling it flying junk? Almost like he doesn't take Russia's thermonuclear potential seriously! pwnd As the saying goes 'actions speaker louder than words!' Wink

    Do not put words in my mouth.

    Also, you are giving really vapid examples to back up your point. Pulling out of those treaties would have happened on some
    Demorat's watch anyway. And as I have posted before, the yanquis are exceptionally deluded to think that breaking treaties
    with Russia gives them some sort of advantage. Gorbie actually did them a favour with the INF.

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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:15 am

    Νevada also is very tight.Only 8000 votes difference
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:50 am

    I have been under an impresssion that both sides have largely similar outlook on foreign policy and differ only in regards to internal politics.

    The two parties are almost the same and are both war parties because they and their supporters make lots of money from making bombs and bullets and using bombs and bullets and then rebuilding the things they broke with the bombs and the bullets... usually paid for by the country that got bombed by pumping oil to pay for the rebuild.

    The difference is morality... abortions, death sentences, and a few other issues but they are otherwise essentially the same...

    There are 350 million Americans and the best they could come up with to lead the country is two old white rich men who are liars and can't cooperate or properly communicate...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:26 am

    @Papa the Graph you are quoting is the result of a clerical error.

    Which has since been corrected.

    https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-michigan-magically-find-138339
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:29 am

    George1 wrote:Νevada also is very tight.Only 8000 votes difference

    Nevada will not flip, Clinton, took that back in 2016.

    Biden has won the election, he only needs Nevada, he could lose every other uncalled state at this point and still win.

    Trump would have to hope that AZ is somehow flipped red and win PA, GA and NC to remain president.

    No state result has ever been changed as a result of a recount in the US.

    That or the Supreme court rules the mail-in ballot are invalid but its 99.99999999999999999999 percent unlikely even if the case reaches them, they would rule that way.

    Simply put Biden is the next president, Trump would need some miracle win.
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    Post  Maximmmm Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:16 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    George1 wrote:Νevada also is very tight.Only 8000 votes difference

    Nevada will not flip, Clinton, took that back in 2016.

    Biden has won the election, he only needs Nevada, he could lose every other uncalled state at this point and still win.

    Trump would have to hope that AZ is somehow flipped red and win PA, GA and NC to remain president.

    No state result has ever been changed as a result of a recount in the US.

    That or the Supreme court rules the mail-in ballot are invalid but its 99.99999999999999999999 percent unlikely even if the case reaches them, they would rule that way.

    Simply put Biden is the next president, Trump would need some miracle win.

    Yeah that's my view as well. God 2020 is proving to be a year of happenings xD
    I mean we all knew there was always fraud in US elections, but it's fun to see it this blatantly.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:18 pm

    kvs wrote:Do not put words in my mouth.

    Also, you are giving really vapid examples to back up your point.   Pulling out of those treaties would have happened on some
    Demorat's watch anyway.   And as I have posted before, the yanquis are exceptionally deluded to think that breaking treaties
    with Russia gives them some sort of advantage.   Gorbie actually did them a favour with the INF.


    Don't be sensitive, I meant to quote your other post here:

    kvs wrote:Note that Biden practically foams at the mouth when he designates Russia as America's existential enemy.   Trump has to
    play this US "foreign threat" game but chooses China as a target.   He also did not start a hate campaign over the recent
    Navalny hoax.   Some Demorat president would have turned it into an international crisis.  

    There is no legacy of severe demonization of China like with Russia in the USA.   So when Trump targets China that does not
    move us to WWIII and his aim at China revolves around economic issues.   Biden's Russia hate is some sort of fucking crusade
    of extermination.  

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8187-2020-us-elections-what-s-the-status-of-pindostan-their-elections-and-their-2nd-civil-war#299294

    Did he (Trump) or did he not destroy those nuclear treaties? Downplaying Trump's Russophobia when he's trying to nuclear flash-fry the Federation is blatantly contradictory.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:39 pm

    This election is still up in the air, so much insane nonsense going on, Nevada literally took a day off from counting votes, Arizona and Pennsylvanian is desperately looking for more Biden votes.
    Even Michigan is still in play.

    This Mail-in nonsense has been a F'ing sh#tshow.

    I guess Stalin was right, it doesn't matter who votes, the only thing that matters is who counts the votes.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:46 pm

    After Biden takes office expect the anti-Russian war hysteria to be cranked to the max. The Demorats need to restore unity
    to the USA that they helped to destroy in their quest for power and need to focus the yanqui sheeple on a "foreign threat".
    You can be assured that there will be a new investigation of the "Russia meddling" in 2016 and Biden's laptop "Russian services
    psyop" in 2020 and Russia will be declared guilty. Some more Navalny stooges will be novichoked and the party will start.
    The Demorats will also need to distract from the massive fraud during the election. There were whole cartloads of packages
    arriving at voting stations at 4 am which were followed by massive swings in favour of Biden. A clear example of what amounts
    to ballot stuffing. The mail-in ballots are one of the biggest frauds of all time. Somehow they are almost 100% in favour
    of Biden.

    All the supporters of the Demorats in this thread have shown themselves to be anti-Russian. Bitching about Trump saying this
    and that is simply moronic. Look at what he does and not what he says. He never had a choice anyway and had to play
    the US "kabuki theater" politics by exceptional US rules. Biden does not merely say shit about Russia, he or his VP if he
    becomes incapacitated from a stroke or Alzheimer's will try to militarily confront Russia in Syria and will stage incidents in
    the Arctic trying to create a precedent for planting their asses there. Of course, they will fail in both cases but that does not
    matter since these losers will escalate. As proven since 2016, the Demorats refuse to accept defeat in any form. And
    they go for the prize whether they deserve it or not. A combination for WWIII.



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:28 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:This election is still up in the air, so much insane nonsense going on, Nevada literally took a day off from counting votes, Arizona and Pennsylvanian is desperately looking for more Biden votes.
    Even Michigan is still in play.

    This Mail-in nonsense has been a F'ing sh#tshow.

    I guess Stalin was right, it doesn't matter who votes, the only thing that matters is who counts the votes.

    Hilary won NV by a heavy margin and it is a very blue state.

    NV isn't going red.

    MI was called for Biden by everyone it's not in play.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:29 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:This election is still up in the air, so much insane nonsense going on, Nevada literally took a day off from counting votes...

    Yup, this part right here is dead give away

    Over here counting doesn't stop until it's done no matter what

    If someone tried to do this ''day off'' nonsense we would have crowds in the streets torching buildings as a response to such a blatant attempt at fraud

    I mean it's not the fraud which would be the problem (politics is fraud) but the insultingly low effort going into the execution of that fraud



    kvs wrote:...Bitching about Trump saying this and that is simply moronic. Look at what he does and not what he says. He never had a choice anyway...

    Trump was done the moment he threw General Flynn under the bus over a Twitter rumour

    After that everyone knew that he would just bend over and take it regardless of the facts

    He made his bed

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm



    Here is an example for all the reflex Trump haters and de facto Biden lovers:

    Michigan:

    Trump: 2,200,902  -> 2,200,902
    Biden: 1,992,356 -> 2,130,695

    See a pattern?   A 100% for Biden vote "count".   That is not how votes come in.  They come in boxes or electronic versions of boxes
    in a pool of all candidates.   There is no electoral district where the voters are 100% in favour of one candidate and especially involving
    138,339 people which is more than one district.    If you think I am wrong, then buy a clue.   Opinion polls don't even sample 140,000 people
    and are based on random sampling of under 2,000 people.   The red-blue distribution of cities and states in the US is not 0% vs 100%, it
    is a colour graphic based on majority only.  

    In the image I posted early you can see what the real returns look like with both candidates advancing at varying rates.   It is simply
    fraudulent to have only one candidate take a massive jump with zero movement from the other.   If Biden got 140,000 and Trump got 70,000
    in one set of tally reports then that would be plausible.   The only way to have 140,000 vs 0 is if someone is keeping out the Trump votes
    from the tally report or a 140,000 fake votes were introduced for Biden.  

    But someone will chime in that these are mail in ballots.  So what?  Where are the pro-Trump mail in ballots.  They don't exist?  GTFO.
    And there is evidence that pro-Trump mail in ballots have been thrown in the trash.  

    This is to be compared to Russia where the 5th column liberasts nitpick at the shape of voting Gaussian distributions to "prove" that
    there is fraud.   I remember Anatoly Karlin who used to run a "pro-Russian" blog engaged in this BS.  I noted all sorts of other explanations
    for these nitpicks.   And there are observers at vote counts unlike in the USA where you see pure fraud with no other explanations.


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