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    Project 20380(5): Steregushchy Corvette #2

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:22 pm

    Flot.com
    March 3, 2023 at 8:11 Subject: Industry

    Source: corvette "Rezkiy" will be handed over to the Pacific Fleet closer to summer


    The newest multi-purpose corvette of project 20380 "Rezkiy", built at the Amur Shipyard for the Pacific Fleet, will be handed over to the Russian Navy in May 2023. This was reported to TASS by a source in the shipbuilding industry.


    "The acceptance of the Rezkiy ship by the state commission and its transfer to the Pacific Fleet is scheduled for the last days of May this year," the agency's interlocutor said.

    According to him, the corvette is currently performing the tasks of the next stage of testing.

    TASS does not have official confirmation of this information.

    "Rezkiy" is the fourth Project 20380 corvette built at Amur shipyard for the Pacific Fleet. It was laid down in 2016. Initially, the ship was going to be delivered in the fall of 2020, but then the commissioning dates were postponed.

    At the beginning of July 2021, Rezkiy was taken out of the workshop and delivered to the outfitting embankment, where the factory workers completed the installation of the tower-mast complex and completed the installation of equipment. In the same month, NEA General Director Vladimir Kulakov claimed that the transfer of the ship to the fleet was planned before the celebration of Victory Day in 2022. In October 2021, the corvette was sent to Vladivostok to the delivery base of the enterprise.

    In December of the same year, it was reported that the mooring trials of the Sharp were continuing, and sea trials would begin in January 2022. In fact, they started in August 2022. At the end of December, the crew and the delivery team began state tests.

    https://flot.com/2023/%D0%90%D1%81%D0%B74/

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    Post  Krepost Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:43 am

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:11 am

    Would be good if they could create a magazine loader that loads all the tubes in one launcher at a time... fill the cassette with the missiles you want to load on shore or on another support ship at sea and then crane it over and lower it over the launcher... they could design attachment points on the loader and the launcher so they align and lock together while the tubes are loaded, with space for the hatches to open out of the way and the missile tubes are lowered down into place and then the empty magazine can be lifted away and returned to shore or support ship to be reloaded and reused for the next launcher.

    Each pier or support ship could have multiple crane operating at once.

    Vertical launchers are going to be pretty widely used so being able to reload them quickly and safely is worth a bit of extra complication and design work...

    The original TOR missiles came in a block of four missiles ( a single row of four missiles) that was lowered into the turret in one piece... two of them loaded the vehicle ready for use.

    These pod things were used when the TOR vehicle carried 8 missiles ready to fire but the new missiles came in individual tubes with 8 tubes of the new missiles fitting in the space the four tube block fitted on the vehicle so with the new missiles you could carry 16 ready to launch missiles. (which were faster and more accurate and longer ranged...)

    The new deck mounted TOR missiles might just be a block of ready to fire missiles... take the old empty one out and put the full new one into place type thing.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:39 am

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    March 7, 2023 at 8:55 Subject: Industry

    The source spoke about the modernization of the first corvette of project 20380


    The head multi-purpose corvette of project 20380 "Steregushchiy" in the course of deep modernization at the Kronstadt Marine Plant (KMZ) will receive a new Kalibr-NK strike missile system, strengthen the air defense with the Poliment-Redut complex, and also update the main power plant. This was reported to TASS in the shipbuilding industry on Tuesday, March 7.


    "The Steregushchiy corvette entered the Kronstadt Marine Plant for a deep overhaul and modernization, during which the ship will update the strike missile system and the main power plant," the agency's interlocutor said.

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    According to him, the combat power of the lead corvette will be noticeably enhanced.

    "Instead of the Uran missile system, the ship will receive a universal ship-based firing system for Caliber-NK missiles. The ship's air defense system will also be strengthened - the Kortik-M anti-aircraft missile and artillery system will be replaced by the 9K96 Polyment-Redut ship system with 16 launchers cells," he added.

    TASS does not have official confirmation of this information.

    The Steregushchy is the lead corvette of project 20380, built at Severnaya Verf. Has been in service since 2008. This is a multi-purpose patrol ship of the near sea zone with guided missile weapons, designed to combat enemy surface ships and submarines, as well as for artillery support of amphibious assault forces.

    The length of the project 20380 corvette is more than 100 meters, the displacement is 2220 tons. The maximum cruising range is 4000 miles.

    https://flot.com/2023/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F5/


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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:42 pm

    It is a good thing they are fixing it, that ship was a waste of crewmen's time.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:39 pm

    The Uran is a good missile, not everything needs to be armed with hundreds of vertical missile tubes... some patrol craft barely ever fire a shot in anger... let alone have to sink the entire HATO navy single handedly.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:41 am

    Replacing the Kortik/Kashtan with Redut VLS is a sensible idea as this was only installed due to Redut not being ready in time (as all other subsequent 20350s were fitted with). If they do scale down the Poliment radar and fit it as well then that is a huge upgrade. Shocked I would have thought that Zaslon would be a better fit as its being fitted to late-model 20350s like Aldar longname and Retivy.

    I also wonder how she will carry Kalibres? Gremy has 3S14 bin located fwds but she is ~700 tons heavier. Maybe delete the Kashtan and fit an uplifted deck structure like was done on 1155M Adm Shaposhnikov? If so they would need to install the Redut to the vacated space allocated to the Kh-35s? I can't imagine there is space below decks in this area suitable for a deep heavy module like the 3S14.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:57 am

    I suspect for a small patrol ship like this most of the time those UKSK launch tubes will have Otvet anti sub weapons rather than calibrs or zircons.

    Interestingly the UKSK can also carry long range SAMs if required as well as short range self defence SAMs too... but not very efficiently.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:06 pm

    It is impossible to know what kind of modernization will actually be carried out, although I think that modernization makes sense because "Steregushchiy" is only halfway through its operational life or 15 years in service.

    Although the project 20385 corvette certainly has a lot of changes compared to the first corvette of the project 20380 ie Steregushchiy, I am not sure how much one can trust the TASS announcement that this corvette will be re-armed on the model of the 20385 corvette; UKSK with 8 cells for 8 missiles and 2 times of 8 cells (16 in total) for 9K96 "Redut".
    I repeat that project modification 20385 is not only "cosmetic" and that much has been changed from project 20380; 1 UKSK instead of two four-tube "Uran" systems and 16 instead of 12 cells for "Redut".
    Also the "Redut" on 20380 corvette is in the front part of the ship (in front of the command bridge), while on 20385 corvette is placed behind the hangar.
    What the Russians envisioned with the Steregushchiy corvette remains to be seen.

    The first corvettes of project 20380 are approaching mid-term overhaul and modernization, and it will not be good if it goes as well as with the modernization of project 971 and 949A submarines (disastrously poor results and none of the submarines have yet reached operational status), as well as with the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nahimov".

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:24 pm

    There is one crucial point.
    20380 goes docking for a mid life repair means that the system runs perfectly well and as planned.
    Yes, ship is a long lasting asset, yet needs regular maintenance.
    And ... boom ... they just do.
    Don't write it off, like some world superpower with super ships Laughing guess the names.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:26 pm

    The main issue those ships have is the lack of Redut. I guess they can do the retrofits, if they wanted to, but it would be expensive and slow. Those ships are pretty space optimized as it is.

    Still, given the lack of hulls they have, it might happen.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:32 pm

    Keep in mind where it operates.
    A Kortik on it's tail is still one of the most potent systems in the whole of Baltics.
    Uran is second to none.
    And that all goes with a 2kt corvette ...

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    Post  Krepost Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:11 am

    On the 29th of June, another project 20385 will be laid down at Amur shipyard in the Pacific, name will be RETIVY:

    https://flotprom.ru/2023/%D0%90%D1%81%D0%B76/

    https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/na_amurskom_sudostroitelnom_zavode_zalozhat_korvet_retivyy_proekta_20385.html

    So, from the Amur shipyard:

    - 3 project 20380 corvettes already in the Navy
    - 1 more pr. 20380 on trials - to be commissioned this year
    - 2 more are being built
    - 3 project 20385 are being built
    - 1 more (RETIVY) will be laid down in June

    The shipyard is also building 4 pr. 22800 KARAKURT type vessels.

    So, sometime around 2028 (if no delays happen), Amur shipyard will have handed over to the Pacific fleet:

    - 6 pr. 20380 corvettes
    - 4 pr. 20385 corvettes
    - 4 pr. 22800 missile ships

    Not bad.

    In addition, the Pacific fleet has already received the first pr. 20385 (GREMYASHY) corvette.
    The PROVORNY of the same class is currently being built at Severnaya and will be sent to the Pacific Fleet as well.

    By 2028, there will be 6x pr. 20380 and 6x pr. 20385 in the Pacific.

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    Post  George1 Thu May 11, 2023 10:07 pm

    The Severnaya Verf Shipyard has delivered the Project 20380 latest missile corvette Merkury to the Russian Navy, the Shipyard’s press office reported on Thursday.

    https://tass.com/defense/1616195

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri May 12, 2023 4:35 pm

    I don't consider myself an arrogant guy, but when it comes to the Navy, I'm God on this forum.
    I see that no one posted this and you missed details like the commissioning of a new plasma metal cutting line was launched at the Amur Shipyard.



    The following is also written on the Russian forum...

    * The laying of the keel for the "Retiviy" (20385) corvette should take place in June...
    * In July, the corvette "Rezkiy" (20380) should be ready for the Pacific Fleet - in active service.
    * MOST IMPORTANT; in August, the signing of the contract for TWO frigates on "Army-2023" is expected. Since the contract on "Army-2020" has already been signed for two frigates whose keels have not yet been laid in the disgusting Severnaya Werf, then we are talking about those two frigates for the Amur Shipyard, but under the new contract, or two ADDITIONAL frigates for the Amur Shipyard.
    * in September, it is expected that the small rocket ship "Rzhev" (22800) will be towed to Vladivostok.

    If all of the above happens, that's great. In any case, the Amur shipyard is definitely the most efficient shipyard in terms of surface warships. And now all that remains is for them to FINALLY make me happy with the submarines of project 885M.

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    Post  George1 Sun May 14, 2023 12:37 am

    "Mercury" solemn ceremony acceptance

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun May 14, 2023 9:21 am

    The next in line is "Rezkiy", which should have been included in the Pacific Fleet last year.
    The plan is for Rezkiy to join the fleet on Navy Day.
    In any case, even these small corvettes have better striking power (anti-ship missiles) than the unmodernized large anti-submarine ships of the project 1155 "Fregat".

    And then again the question arises as to how far the construction of the corvette "Strogiy" has come, which has been under construction since February 20, 2015.


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    Post  Krepost Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:55 am

    Today, another Pr. 20385 Corvette has been laid down in the Far-East.
    The name is RETIVY

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4710258.html

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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:12 am

    It is kind of annoying how they still have not managed to reduce the time to build these ships in a consistent manner. Aldar was built in 5 years, but now Sharp is going to take 7 years. Looking at the construction history, this cannot be attributed just to the shipyard, since they cannot seem to be able to deliver the subcomponents on time to the shipyard, it is hard to expect them to finish a ship without the parts to do it. Severnaya Verf seems to be doing even worse since Mercury even took a whole 8 years to enter service.

    This is pretty pathetic when Russia needs these ships now, if not yesterday. Japan is building the Mogami class frigate. These are frigates with larger displacement, better propulsion, but roughly similar weapons payload. The Japanese seem to be able to consistently build these ships in 3 years. They already built 4 of them in 4 years. They put two in service every year.

    I cannot tell what is worse, the excruciating long time it takes Russia to build these ships, or the fact they stopped ordering these ships between 2006 and 2012. They basically wasted 6 years while the rest of the Soviet era fleet rusted.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:41 am

    lancelot wrote:It is kind of annoying how they still have not managed to reduce the time to build these ships in a consistent manner. Aldar was built in 5 years, but now Sharp is going to take 7 years. Looking at the construction history, this cannot be attributed just to the shipyard, since they cannot seem to be able to deliver the subcomponents on time to the shipyard, it is hard to expect them to finish a ship without the parts to do it. Severnaya Verf seems to be doing even worse since Mercury even took a whole 8 years to enter service.

    This is pretty pathetic when Russia needs these ships now, if not yesterday. Japan is building the Mogami class frigate. These are frigates with larger displacement, better propulsion, but roughly similar weapons payload. The Japanese seem to be able to consistently build these ships in 3 years. They already built 4 of them in 4 years. They put two in service every year.

    I cannot tell what is worse, the excruciating long time it takes Russia to build these ships, or the fact they stopped ordering these ships between 2006 and 2012. They basically wasted 6 years while the rest of the Soviet era fleet rusted.

    I remember complaining on this board years ago and being lambasted about Russia needing to localize production of everything for their weapons procurement. And I ended up being correct in my thoughts. Now Russia is trying to replace with localized production for parts for ships, and mix with under funding for years, the shipyards aren't all great shape. What was also stupid is that they couldn't stick with a design and kept trying to reinvent the wheel. They should have stuck with the Krivak V design and just further advancements of it with newer weapons and other tech. Streamline production and the necessary components and they would be churning out ships within few years. But no.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:13 am

    Parody..  No
    I gave up on the Russian Navy...
    ONLY Eight operational project 20380 corvettes, the first of which (Steregushchiy) has already spent 15 years of service, i.e. half of its operational life.
    An additional 2 corvettes became operational more than 10 years ago; Soobrazitelniy (October 2011), Boiky (May 2013), and even Stoiky, which has been operational since July 2014, is not far away.
    The country with the largest nuclear arsenal that is completely INCAPABLE of building shitty corvettes of barely a little more than 2220 tons of FULL displacement..

    And then GARRY writes a whole book giving some kind of justification.
    NO Garry, it will NOT get better...
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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:30 am

    I think it is pretty obvious they need to change the way ship procurement is done. They need to be able to do serial purchases of equipment, and actually fund these before the ships start being built. I do not think the worst point is the shipyards anymore. I mean a lot of them are largely obsolete, and there are lots of issues, like lack of automation and building of large prefab modules at certain sites. But there has been consistent funding by the Russian Investment Fund to improve this situation with tooling.

    For example the D500 marine diesel engine has basically been sitting for like a decade waiting until someone funds a large enough order to justify building a production line for it. Like WTF.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:44 am

    There is no hope, Lancelot.
    The Russian Navy is an embarrassment to the Russian Armed Forces.
    Nuclear submarines have been undergoing modernization in Russia for over 10 years while new SSGNs have been built AGAIN for over 8 years and have not yet been launched like the K-564 Arkhangelsk. Only 3 SSGN submarines have been put into service by Russia in the last 20 years. Modernization of Admiral Nakhimov ? It's a horror movie. The construction of corvettes in Russia is a parody, and the construction of frigates is a tragicomedy.

    These are FREMM frigates, of which far more were built in a much shorter period than the miserable corvettes with a displacement of over 2,220 tons.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:58 am

    Some people pissing their pants because it takes too long to make some ships in Russia without knowing what is being built and where all the parts and systems come from.

    From using German diesel engines to Chinese to now making their own, nothing has changed and everything is easy they should be making 50 boats a week obviously because everything is fully funded there are not other demands on money and resources and international trade is running fine.

    Obviously they need thousands of these little boats because selling oil and gas internationally means they don't need their own shipping fleet of tankers for oil and gas... they need pissy little ships like this to guard ports... because experts on the internet say so.

    Perhaps if you had managed a real project in your life you might understand but it is clear you have neither the experience nor the interest to even just try to understand.

    But why compare with the FREMMs, why not chocolate fish... cadburies makes millions every year... so why can't Russia make more corvettes...
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:16 am

    Lancelot, did you see post by the main admin ?
    That is what I am writing to you about, because that man will try in every way to justify what cannot be justified.

    That fucking Russia is not able to build corvettes in the planned period, whose full displacement is barely more than 2000 tons.
    What are you writing about, man? What are we who see this disintegration and the desperate state of the Russian navy to you, maybe retards and you are very smart - is that what we are talking about ?

    * Two operational 22350 frigates in 17 years from the start of construction..
    * Eight operational corvettes of project 20380 whose construction has been ongoing since 2001.
    * None of the 971M submarines are operational yet, and the first of them, the K-328 Leopard, has been undergoing modernization since 2011.
    * None of the 949AM submarines are operational yet, and the first of them, the K-132 Irkutsk, which was under repair since 2008, which was stopped by works and since 2013 it is being modernized. Classic shitshow in Russian style..
    * Construction of SSGN submarines of project 885M; THE HORROR...
    * The only thing they build on time is the junk called 636.3 submarines and the strategic submarines of project 955A.
    * Admiral Nakhimov; it is older than the Roman Empire and the Chinese introduced 8 far more modern Type-055 destroyers in barely 3 years. AND AGAIN, MODERNIZATION IS NOT COMPLETED.


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