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    Post  hoom Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:55 pm

    Some shooting of the 30mm armed version in this (via charly015)

    Stability while shooting seems surprisingly impressive, I'd assumed a big gun like that up high would have the thing wobbling all over but nope.
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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:42 am

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    Post  George1 Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:07 am

    Hole wrote:Typhoon is for everybody! Very Happy
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    AA variant??
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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:50 am

    Kick your ass Version. For "street accidents" in Syria. Very Happy
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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:00 pm

    I doubt it is a AA version. It depend what optics it has. But against helicopters it can be dangerous. Maybe it has a thermals and a laser rangefinder which would help targeting any target.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:36 am

    I would think an AA version would have roof mounted 360 degree independent optics for scanning without having to spin the turret... having to swing the turret around all the time to find targets would make it very visible from the air.

    Also they have a few missiles that would be rather good for SAM use like Kornet-EM and Pine they could probably fit too... or at least Igla-S or Verba.

    Should almost certainly be able to shoot at air targets but likely not optimised for such.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:02 pm

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:01 pm

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:49 am

    Interesting there is no pano or commander sight on top that can turn independently of the turret for a 360 degree view...

    Perhaps this is like the BRDM-2 where there is a gunner and a commander/gunner so the commander doesn't need a separate sight.

    The photo of the front of the turret shows what is likely a covered optical port on the right side looking at the vehicle with a hatch presumably to load ammo for the coaxial machine gun. The large panel on the other side of the gun... could it be a radar or radio communicaiton system to set off airburst 30mm shells?

    The rear centre large hatch would be for removing the guns and perhaps loading the 30mm cannon ammo...


    Looks like a neat little vehicle....
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    Post  Isos Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:00 pm

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:39 am

    Would be a potent light escort vehicle... the South Africans were impressed with the 30mm cannon on the BMP-2 when they got access to them... my nephew liked the 25mm cannon on our LAVIIIs too with full stabilisation and thermal optics they are very potent systems...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:31 am

    I miss the elegant angled armor of Soviet armored cars, why has Russia shifted to these western style cars with armored cabins welded on?

    The older style should offer better protection against gunfire and could easily be adapted to be effective against explosions.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:04 am

    At this level of armour no amount of angling will stop most anti armour weapons... most anti armour weapons are designed for heavy armour anyway... during WWII there was APHE which penetrated armour and then exploded inside the vehicle... without the HE charge it would probably punch a neat hole in... punch through anything inside the tank in its line of travel and then punch a neat hole out of the vehicle... if it didn't hit fuel or ammo or crew it might not do that much damage at all.

    These days most guns are designed to penetrate their designated targets and generally just manage to do so... ie a 30mm APDS round is not likely to come blasting out the back of a modern Warrior or Bradley... in fact with add on armour panels it might not always penetrate the front... so the step up is 57mm calibre which is going to be overkill for most MRAP type vehicles... in fact 30mm would be fine against MRAP... whether they have straight box sides or angled plates like a slater...

    The level of protection is such that even ancient obsolete anti armour weapons like the RPG-18 or the LAW are still effective weapons.

    Angling the armour improves its effectiveness which can be critical when the enemy round struggles to penetrate anyway... but later on its effect is not so noticable.

    The negative effect of angled armour is it reduces internal volume and generally makes things cramped and uncomfortable for the crew and troops.

    Earlier on being a smaller target was an advantage too but these days most guns systems are rather more accurate, though an erratically moving vehicle will always be a problem for any unguided round.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:48 am

    My point was about machinegun fire not aoutocannon and ATGMs, the newer designs also put the radiator on the front which and whichever protection method they use it will always be inferior to mounting it on the roof of the engine compartment (like on many Soviet vehicles), it will likely also cause more problems when crossing streams.

    The other thing I was saying is that I preffer the elaborate welding of Soviet vehicles to the cheap western style boxes optimised for unskilled labour.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:25 am

    In Russia, tests of the landing system for Typhoon-VDV armored cars and other large-sized equipment have begun. It is being created as part of the experimental design work "Parachute" of the Technodinamika holding, which is part of Rostec.

    According to the general director of the holding Igor Nasenkov, preliminary tests are already underway, RIA Novosti writes. Two drops of a prototype cargo platform and a parachute system were made: the first-weighing nine tons, the second - 11. They plan to bring the discharged mass to 18 tons. In general, the parachute system consists of several domes with an area of 770 square meters.

    As a result, the parachute system will allow landing the Typhoon-VDV armored car, which weighs 18 tons, and the Tiger armored car, which weighs nine tons. Moreover, they will be landed together with the crew.

    The new parachute system will be presented in the Technodynamics pavilion at the MAKS-2021 Air Show.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:31 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...Moreover, they will be landed together with the crew.
    ...

    Do I really need to spell out why they shouldn't gamble too much with the Reaper?
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    Post  Mir Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:56 pm

    Hahaha - yes personally I would not like to be inside a vehicle being dropped from the air!
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:24 am

    Mir wrote:Hahaha - yes personally I would not like to be inside a vehicle being dropped from the air!

    Then you're not one for the VDV

    The key for paradropping in the VDV, or indeed for any dangerous thing you have to do in service - is just to say f*ck it, f*ck the consequences, and do it.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:32 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Mir wrote:Hahaha - yes personally I would not like to be inside a vehicle being dropped from the air!

    Then you're not one for the VDV

    The key for paradropping in the VDV, or indeed for any dangerous thing you have to do in service - is just to say f*ck it, f*ck the consequences, and do it.

    I see you are gunning for me now Laughing

    I do know enough of the VDV to know that safety is of paramount importance - there is no "f*ck the consequences and do it mentality there".

    EVERYTHING is checked and double checked before any jump.

    That goes for all para units throughout the world.

    They will only have guys inside the vehicles if and when the tactical situation requires it.


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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:46 am

    There will always be a freak accident.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:10 pm


    Idea is to risk your life AFTER you get there

    If you die en route you accomplished nothing

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:49 pm

    Mir wrote:
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    Mir wrote:Hahaha - yes personally I would not like to be inside a vehicle being dropped from the air!

    Then you're not one for the VDV

    The key for paradropping in the VDV, or indeed for any dangerous thing you have to do in service - is just to say f*ck it, f*ck the consequences, and do it.

    I see you are gunning for me now Laughing

    I do know enough of the VDV to know that safety is of paramount importance - there is no "f*ck the consequences and do it mentality there".

    EVERYTHING is checked and double checked before any jump.

    That goes for all para units throughout the world.

    They will only have guys inside the vehicles if and when the tactical situation requires it.

    Of course safety is of paramount importance

    But if your parachute is packed properly or you have to jump out in a vehicle then you're as safe as you can get. You can't do anything to make it safer. At that point you just have to do it.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:50 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Of course safety is of paramount importance

    But if your parachute is packed properly or you have to jump out in a vehicle then you're as safe as you can get. You can't do anything to make it safer. At that point you just have to do it.

    Only if I can take my own parachute with - just in case I may need it!  Laughing
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:46 am

    The type of places the VDV would parachute into... parachuting inside a vehicle wont be the most dangerous thing they do that day.

    Being in the vehicle when you get to the ground means you just need to get out and take off the parachute cords and rigging and then you are ready to drive off the pallet mount and you are back inside the vehicle and fighting.

    Having to find your vehicle and then unstrapping it from its parachutes and supports wastes a lot of time... especially in very soft terrain.

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