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    Project 23900 "Ivan Rogov" Amphibious assault ship

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    Post  Krepost Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:00 pm

    Firebird wrote:Is there any confirmation anywhere as to what these 2 ships will actually weigh?

    I've heard reports of between 25k tons and around 40k tons.
    I think Tass mentioned 40k tons somewhere (I'm not sure). And Tass are unlikely to be wrong?
    There doesn't seem to be official confirmation anywhere.

    They want you (and everybody else) to keep guessing.
    I am not joking.
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    Post  Firebird Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:50 pm

    Krepost wrote:
    Firebird wrote:Is there any confirmation anywhere as to what these 2 ships will actually weigh?

    I've heard reports of between 25k tons and around 40k tons.
    I think Tass mentioned 40k tons somewhere (I'm not sure). And Tass are unlikely to be wrong?
    There doesn't seem to be official confirmation anywhere.

    They want you (and everybody else) to keep guessing.
    I am not joking.

    Can't be that hard for someone (with tech knowldege) to work it out. Given that the ships have been laid down? : /
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:41 am

    Depends how long they want to operate at sea... initially they said it would be slightly heavier than the Mistrals at about 30K ton, but the government official quoted 40K which is a problem... is that standard weight is that overload weight... we really don't know.

    I suspect they probably looked at all the new armour and new helicopters and all the new gear their naval infantry are likely to be getting over the next few years and made it heavier.

    No one ever complained at a ship being too big, but a ship that is too small for the next upgrade is a common problem... more so on British ships ironically because they tend to make small modern missiles and weapons so when it comes time to upgrade the new system can often be just as small but they want more of them like a SAM or something.

    In comparison with Soviet vessels they looked cluttered with all the electronics and sensors and weapons and equipment they crammed on and the new missiles and weapons are often smaller and lighter but also much better than the previous systems.

    For instance Metel anti sub rocket powered missiles that dropped torpedoes on target like the Ikara Aussie missile is huge, while the 91ER1 that replaces it is better all round and much more compact and can be loaded and launched from a torpedo tube.

    A 50km range 533mm torpedo gets replaced by a 400mm torpedo with a 20km range but a solid ballistic rocket that carries it 40km at mach 2, so the target gets less warning and the torpedo has a better chance for a kill.

    The new electronics would free up loads of space for extra equipment and systems too because the older Soviet ships tended to be bigger than they needed to be with extra radars instead of sharing, so the SAM might have a radar and an anti ship missile system might have its own radar too and the ships main search and tracking radar and another radar for the large calibre guns...

    Another aspect is that they talked about the new ships as having slightly different roles where one is a pure landing ship and the other has a more drone focus, which might be interesting... perhaps landing ship in the Pacific fleet for the Kuriles and also potentially for disaster relief in the pacific ring of fire... for earthquakes and volcanic eruptions as well as storms and floods etc, while based in Tartus a drone focused ship with more special forces landing forces of high mobility with Typhoon rather than Kurganets or Boomerang type platforms and of course helicopters and hovercraft and landing ships and subs etc as well as drone aircraft and subs and surface ships...

    Hopefully they will be a success and they make two of each that can be operated together to support each others operations... would be good to see it supporting Egyptian Mistrals in the Med...
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    Post  Firebird Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:14 pm

    I noticed with other countries's amph ships, it seems fully laden vs empty can add 10 or 11k tons.
    China's and America's seem around the 40k ton mark. The Rogov is similar width but slightly shorter than the US Wasps. So 40k tons seems very possible.

    Those Okhotnik drones could be very dangerous features.

    Maybe the usage will determine the final tonnage.
    Anyway, all in all, its nice to see Russia getting back to producing big ships (amph ships, nuclear icebreakers, and of course large subs).
    With the frigates and heavy cruiser refits, and of course the Indian aircraft carrier, its clear Russia isn't that far removed from building say.. a full aircraft carrier. That of course could be seen as the complete rebirth of Russia's naval shipbuilding from Soviet times.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:25 am


    Scale model of the damn thing was accidentally filmed during acceptance day for nuke subs, not much though, behind VVP on the left:

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    It's like analysing sat photos with this stuff angry




    This was also posted on same tread but I have no Idea what it is so take a guess:
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    Post  Krepost Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scale model of the damn thing was accidentally filmed during acceptance day for nuke subs, not much though, behind VVP on the left:


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    This was also posted on same tread but I have no Idea what it is so take  a guess:
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    Helicopter between Ka-52 and Ka-27 is the expected MINOGA.

    Last photo: Whatever it is, it looks like has the hull of an icebreaker.

    Edit: I figured it out, it is Project 1550 Khaski (Husky).

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:40 am

    Krepost wrote:...
    Last photo: Whatever it is, it looks like has the hull of an icebreaker.

    Edit: I figured it out, it is Project 1550 Khaski (Husky)....

    Thanks thumbsup

    So Husky would be some kind of Arctic logistics vessel?

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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:37 am

    Helicopter between Ka-52 and Ka-27 is the expected MINOGA.

    Looking at its size compared with the Mi-8, I was thinking it might be an Mi-38 navalised... but the coaxial rotors suggest it is the Minoga.
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:12 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scale model of the damn thing was accidentally filmed during acceptance day for nuke subs, not much though, behind VVP on the left:

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    Project 23900 "Ivan Rogov" Amphibious assault ship - Page 12 21-10317765-udk-1

    Project 23900 "Ivan Rogov" Amphibious assault ship - Page 12 1222

    It's like analysing sat photos with this stuff angry




    This was also posted on same tread but I have no Idea what it is so take  a guess:
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    Can you post the video from where these screen shots are taken?
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    Post  LMFS Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:34 am

    GarryB wrote:Looking at its size compared with the Mi-8, I was thinking it might be an Mi-38 navalised... but the coaxial rotors suggest it is the Minoga.

    Yes, it looks definitely like the leaked photo we saw before. But I am failing to discern the tail, which would be the most interesting part in order to confirm or deny whether it has a pusher propeller angry
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:42 am

    Considering the scale, this thing will be BIG.
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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:56 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:...
    Last photo: Whatever it is, it looks like has the hull of an icebreaker.

    Edit: I figured it out, it is Project 1550 Khaski (Husky)....

    Thanks thumbsup

    So Husky would be some kind of Arctic logistics vessel?


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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:42 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:09 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Looking at its size compared with the Mi-8, I was thinking it might be an Mi-38 navalised... but the coaxial rotors suggest it is the Minoga.

    Yes, it looks definitely like the leaked photo we saw before. But I am failing to discern the tail, which would be the most interesting part in order to confirm or deny whether it has a pusher propeller angry

    Minoga won't have a pusher propeller, that's going on new high-speed helicopter

    And we already saw Minoga tail

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    Post  LMFS Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Minoga won't have a pusher propeller, that's going on new high-speed helicopter

    And we already saw Minoga tail

    No we didn't see it, and there are other qualified opinions thinking that it may indeed have such propeller. But we will see
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:38 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Minoga won't have a pusher propeller, that's going on new high-speed helicopter

    And we already saw Minoga tail

    No we didn't see it, and there are other qualified opinions thinking that it may indeed have such propeller. But we will see

    To get any mileage from pusher propeller the helicopter needs to have reinforced main rotor otherwise blades will start acting funny as speed goes up

    From everything we seen so far Minoga will have standard main rotor

    Besides they gone official on this, no need for qualified opinions, they were pretty clear: Minoga with standard coaxial rotor and new high-speed helicopter with pusher propeller and inter-meshing rotor



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