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    Syrian War: News #22

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:23 am

    Another IAF strike tonight

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    Syrian military statement: At approximately 23:34 pm [local], Israel carried out airstrikes from the direction of the Al-Tanf area towards Palmyra, targeting a "communications tower and some points surrounding it, which led to material losses."

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    Update from Syria's military: Israeli airstrikes near Palmyra resulted in casualties within SAA ranks - 1 killed and 3 injured.
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    Post  old_man Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:13 am

    The current Russian hands-off strategy towards Israel is never going to work in my opinion. The Syrians can shoot down 90+% of the incoming missiles several times in a row, but until Israel has to pay a big price, they will keep on trying until they achieve success. Listening to some on other websites, Russia is ahead of the US in terms of many categories of military power, but they can't even stop Israel from attacking their ally. Oh that's right, Russia doesn't want to get in a fight with Israel, as if Israel would be ok with it.

    Something doesn't add up.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:12 am

    old_man wrote:The current Russian hands-off strategy towards Israel is never going to work in my opinion.  The Syrians can shoot down 90+% of the incoming missiles several times in a row, but until Israel has to pay a big price, they will keep on trying until they achieve success. Listening to some on other websites, Russia is ahead of the US in terms of many categories of military power, but they can't even stop Israel from attacking their ally. Oh that's right, Russia doesn't want to get in a fight with Israel, as if Israel would be ok with it.

    Something doesn't add up.

    It looks like Russia is playing the long game in Syria. It is in no hurry, it isn't governed by Western election cycles or attention spans. Israel on the other hand has very real strategic problems that are only going to get worse.

    Once Idlib is re-absorbed, northern Syria is stabilised and the US gone, then we might see a more aggressive defensive pose, especially as Syria is highly likely to turn its attention to the Golan.

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    Post  starman Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:45 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Once Idlib is re-absorbed, northern Syria is stabilised and the US gone, then we might see a more aggressive defensive pose, especially as Syria is highly likely to turn its attention to the Golan.

    That's what I've been saying for years. Confronting Israel was hard enough for Syria without the bulk of its forces tied down fighting another enemy. As long as this damn civil war goes on it'll have to just grit its teeth and manage as best it can with a passive defense.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:50 am

    Uniting Syria , never going to happen by direct war or engagement between major powers  . As far as these are concerned , the status quo suits them fine for now. They have their own protectorates and allies . Syria of old can hardly exist again , as long as they call the shots . They don't risk direct war over Syria . The reduced Syrian state to survive or prosper , must take matters into it's own hands . They must and will have to retaliate directly against any power threatening their security . Reuniting old Syria is a task for the future , if at all possible . Syrians must decide for themselves how to retaliate . Learn from Lebanon and Yemen . Carry out offensives . As I said , under these conditions of continuous Israel or Turk or Yank or Jordan or ....attacks ,  without retaliation , Syria project is a fail or a flop in long term .


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    Very happy hyenas .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Tar88sZ-Q

    But when food is exhausted ( maximum territorial expansion for each ) , then they fight each other . No more happy hyenas .
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:35 pm

    Syria is protected by Russia. If Israel bomb Syria, Russia should bomb Israel. This whole affair is a joke. No wonder that soon not even Belarus will remain to Russia.

    If you bomb their nuclear reactors the whole world will get the message. Putin is a little man, he made Russia as small as himself.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:17 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Syria is protected by Russia. If Israel bomb Syria, Russia should bomb Israel. This whole affair is a joke. No wonder that soon not even Belarus will remain to Russia.

    If you bomb their nuclear reactors the whole world will get the message. Putin is a little man, he made Russia as small as himself.

    You clearly have neither smarts or knowledge in military or politics.

    Israel is quite the military power in the region. It can handle itself and be a problem for Russia. If Russia attacks it directly, the whole international community goes against Russia. Syria would be lost cause at that point.

    You underestimate Israel. Thankfully Russia doesn't and realises they need to keep them at arm's length.

    A few facilities lost is nothing to Syria.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:04 pm

    Say this to the Americans or the Israelis.
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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:50 pm

    There were more syrian soldiers killed yesterday by rotten food then by this strike. Israel spend 50 million to destroy material worth 500 bucks. thumbsup

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:40 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Say this to the Americans or the Israelis.

    Say what to them? That their little tirades have gotten them nothing and in the end they are losing ground? That Israel is getting more isolated in the region as more and more middle east countries are looking to normalize ties with Syria after knowing their game is over? Or that America proved the world that their word isn't worth the paper it is written on and after Afghanistan, most are questioning their alliance with the US?

    Yeah, we all wish Russia to wipe out nations for attacking an ally. In the end, Russia gets what they wanted. Your comment about Belarus didn't even make sense especially at current events where Belarus is now more intertwined with Russia after the whole recent Lukashenko affair.
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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:17 pm

    Hole wrote:There were more syrian soldiers killed yesterday by rotten food then by this strike. Israel spend 50 million to destroy material worth 500 bucks. thumbsup

    From the satelitte images their targets look a lot like outdoor W.C.

    Iranian have access to much more ressources than hezbollah or Hamas. They know when there is no spy satelittes above their heads when they move their stuff. Israeli can't know what is where.

    Iran also control large zone with their militias so ground intel is impossible.

    Russia doesn't care or get involved in all of that, they probably help Iran passively by detecting israeli planes before they attack which give precious minutes to them but that's all. And Iran is OK with that, they don't depend on them.

    I think everyone will be surprised by all the missiles they have send in Syria and Yemen.

    Most likely scenario is :
    - Israel push US for talks with Iran to stop escalation (but never admit this openly).
    - It fails
    - US not going at war or attacking Iranian nuk program for Israel
    - Israel attacks alone and most likely fails
    - Iran counter attacks with all the missiles it has in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Its nuclear power plabt very likely destroyed because israeli would attack iranian nuk plants.


    Israel doesn't want to face Russia or make them angry even if Israel is more powerful than the russians in Syria because that could lead to a tighter military cooperation with Hezbollah and Iran. They would arm them with cruise missiles and other stuff that would make them much harder to face.

    A war Israel vs Russia is impossible because Russia, since it can't win conventionnally there would use tactical nuks against them and even a small nuk would be fatal to such small country.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:42 pm

    A phosphate plant is clearly a key military target Shocked


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    (1/2) Russian Defense Ministry on yesterday's Israeli airstrikes in Syria:

    - 4 Israeli F-16s participated in the strikes;

    - Israeli jets struck a phosphate ore processing plant and destroyed a communications tower.

    (2/2) Russian Defense Ministry on yesterday's Israeli airstrikes in Syria:

    - Syria decided not to use its air defense systems, since at the time of the attack, there were two civilian flights in ADs range (Dubai-Beirut & Baghdad-Damascus).


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    This is huge:
    #Syria’s allies’ operation room vowed to retaliate harshly against any future #Israel/i aggression following an Israeli air attack against a Syrian communication tower in #Tadmur, Homs, killing one soldier.
    This warning seems very serious.

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    Post  starman Yesterday at 12:19 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Most likely scenario is :
    - Israel push US for talks with Iran to stop escalation (but never admit this openly).
    - It fails
    - US not going at war or attacking Iranian nuk program for Israel
    - Israel attacks alone and most likely fails
    - Iran counter attacks with all the missiles it has in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. Its nuclear power plabt very likely destroyed because israeli would attack iranian nuk plants.

    No hope at all for a revived JCPOA? Fearing the economic fallout of a war between Israel and Iran, the US might quietly tell Israel to stop being so paranoid, and not attack but rely on its vastly bigger n-arsenal as a deterrent (i.e. even if Iran builds an n-bomb or two).


    A war Israel vs Russia is impossible because Russia, since it can't win conventionnally there would use tactical nuks against them and even a small nuk would be fatal to such small country.

    Israel could retaliate with nukes of its own; if that weren't bad enough the US would come under enormous pressure from its internal (zionist) traitors to retaliate no matter what the cost to the US itself….
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    Post  par far Yesterday at 8:00 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A phosphate plant is clearly a key military target  Shocked


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    (1/2) Russian Defense Ministry on yesterday's Israeli airstrikes in Syria:

    - 4 Israeli F-16s participated in the strikes;

    - Israeli jets struck a phosphate ore processing plant and destroyed a communications tower.

    (2/2) Russian Defense Ministry on yesterday's Israeli airstrikes in Syria:

    - Syria decided not to use its air defense systems, since at the time of the attack, there were two civilian flights in ADs range (Dubai-Beirut & Baghdad-Damascus).


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    This is huge:
    #Syria’s allies’ operation room vowed to retaliate harshly against any future #Israel/i aggression following an Israeli air attack against a Syrian communication tower in #Tadmur, Homs, killing one soldier.
    This warning seems very serious.



    The Israeli's are playing dirty(when are they not playing dirty), they attacked right when civilian flights were over or near Syrian airspace.

    If the Syrian Air Defense's engage Israeli fighter jets and they accidently shootdown a civilian passenger jet, than it is a disaster for Syria, Russia and Iran. The same thing happened when the Russian jet was shot down by Syrian Air Defense's when the Israeli fighter was hiding behind it.

    This is why it would be wise for Russia to take full control over Syrian Air Defense's and total full control of Syrian Air Space.

    The logic thing is to shoot down a Israeli fighter jet to send a message but I don't know how doable that is taking into consideration, the political and military situations.

    What do you guys think would be the best solution here?
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    Post  Isos Yesterday at 9:07 pm

    This is why it would be wise for Russia to take full control over Syrian Air Defense's and total full control of Syrian Air Space.

    That's impossible.

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    Post  par far Yesterday at 9:52 pm

    Isos wrote:
    This is why it would be wise for Russia to take full control over Syrian Air Defense's and total full control of Syrian Air Space.

    That's impossible.


    They can certainly take more control than they have now, we will see what happens.
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    Post  par far Yesterday at 10:30 pm

    https://twitter.com/CaricaMil/status/1448736363810115589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1448736363810115589%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsouthfront.org%2Fisraeli-fighter-jets-used-airliners-as-cover-while-carrying-out-airstrikes-on-syrias-palmyra-russian-mod%2F



    "Israeli Fighter Jets Used Airliners As Cover While Carrying Out Airstrikes On Syria’s Palmyra: Russian MoD"


    https://southfront.org/israeli-fighter-jets-used-airliners-as-cover-while-carrying-out-airstrikes-on-syrias-palmyra-russian-mod/


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    Post  miketheterrible Yesterday at 10:47 pm

    par far wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    This is why it would be wise for Russia to take full control over Syrian Air Defense's and total full control of Syrian Air Space.

    That's impossible.


    They can certainly take more control than they have now, we will see what happens.

    There wont be any take over from Russia of Syrian AD or airspace as a whole. Then it becomes the question of sovereignty and there will be a massive problem for Russia. It is just that Russia is of course consulted before Syria does what they do in terms of using their AD.

    What you fail to grasp is that Russia would have the exact same problem as Syria in that if they use their AD systems while Israel uses civilian planes to hide behind like the coward fucks they are, Russia would end up bringing down a civilian airliner.

    I dont know why you think the results would be different for Russia than for Syria.
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    Post  crod Yesterday at 11:45 pm

    No idea what the workaround is here but it certainly adds to the volatility in the region. A very dangerous and callous action by them, it almost reeks of desperation on their behalf.
    Not sure what the Russians can do except privately warn them to desist from such actions but then if the israelis were to call their bluff, Russia would have to follow through on whatever they said they do.
    Agree completely with the sentiments regarding Russian takeover of Syrian systems - just not feasible on many levels.
    I don’t know if stationing Russian personnel at these facilities, advising the israelis that they’re there and reiterate that any attacks on their troops is a red line???
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    Post  par far Today at 1:32 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    This is why it would be wise for Russia to take full control over Syrian Air Defense's and total full control of Syrian Air Space.

    That's impossible.


    They can certainly take more control than they have now, we will see what happens.

    There wont be any take over from Russia of Syrian AD or airspace as a whole.  Then it becomes the question of sovereignty and there will be a massive problem for Russia.  It is just that Russia is of course consulted before Syria does what they do in terms of using their AD.

    What you fail to grasp is that Russia would have the exact same problem as Syria in that if they use their AD systems while Israel uses civilian planes to hide behind like the coward fucks they are, Russia would end up bringing down a civilian airliner.

    I dont know why you think the results would be different for Russia than for Syria.


    My thinking here is that Russian Air Defenses would be more advanced than the Syrian ones and they would be able to identify Cillian Passenger Planes from Fighter Jets, also Russia would have a good idea of when Israeli fighter jets take off.


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