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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:54 pm

    Kh-22 is the most beautiful missile ever made. It is so impressive.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:05 pm

    That second picture shows the Tu-22M loaded with two missiles. Not seen that in Syria before. The far one seems to have only one.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:42 am

    That second picture shows the Tu-22M loaded with two missiles. Not seen that in Syria before. The far one seems to have only one.

    With them being based in Syria and with new inflight refuelling probes being installed in the upgraded ones we might see them fly with three... pirat
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    Post  par far Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:03 pm

    There is a good reason for all the upgrades to Russian military infrastructure in Syria and all the new equipment.



    "Biden weak, neocons in charge & ready to set Middle East on fire"







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    Post  par far Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:46 pm

    I wonder if Russia will help Erdogan again.





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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:47 pm

    This is aimed at Russia. They want instability and Wahabbist spore spread in Russia's Islamic population via Central Asia and all of the
    ex-Soviet 'stans.

    The Trotskyist neocons have an obsession with Russia. They can never forgive it for the fact that their prophet failed and was poetically
    offed for his crimes. Americans, like the Germans of the 1930s, are just cannon fodder for somebody else's agenda.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:08 pm

    par far wrote:I wonder if Russia will help Erdogan again.






    Not likely. He's becoming more trouble than he's worth lately

    Latest news was that he agreed to put the S-400s in storage (how much longer until he allows NATO officers to inspect them?), and now the story with Afghanistan, where Erdogan wants to keep troops ostensibly to secure the airport, but in reality to support Uzbeks in the north under a pan-Turkic banner to allow NATO to expand a foothold in Central Asia.

    On the other hand, the chaos of a coup or some kind of operation against Erdogan by the neo-cons being followed through with, can provide a window of opportunity for the Syrians to secure more of the north of the country, and for the Azeris to be reigned in by Russia as well.

    Russia will lose the S-400 system to NATO inspectors in this instance of course, and left with the possibility of a hostile Turkey for the future, if a less powerful one. But it might be worth it.
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    Post  par far Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:27 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    par far wrote:I wonder if Russia will help Erdogan again.






    Not likely. He's becoming more trouble than he's worth lately

    Latest news was that he agreed to put the S-400s in storage (how much longer until he allows NATO officers to inspect them?), and now the story with Afghanistan, where Erdogan wants to keep troops ostensibly to secure the airport, but in reality to support Uzbeks in the north under a pan-Turkic banner to allow NATO to expand a foothold in Central Asia.

    On the other hand, the chaos of a coup or some kind of operation against Erdogan by the neo-cons being followed through with, can provide a window of opportunity for the Syrians to secure more of the north of the country, and for the Azeris to be reigned in by Russia as well.

    Russia will lose the S-400 system to NATO inspectors in this instance of course, and left with the possibility of a hostile Turkey for the future, if a less powerful one. But it might be worth it.




    I think NATO already has all the information on the export version of S 400.

    Also now Er dog might change his mind.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:36 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    par far wrote:I wonder if Russia will help Erdogan again.






    Not likely. He's becoming more trouble than he's worth lately

    Latest news was that he agreed to put the S-400s in storage (how much longer until he allows NATO officers to inspect them?), and now the story with Afghanistan, where Erdogan wants to keep troops ostensibly to secure the airport, but in reality to support Uzbeks in the north under a pan-Turkic banner to allow NATO to expand a foothold in Central Asia.

    On the other hand, the chaos of a coup or some kind of operation against Erdogan by the neo-cons being followed through with, can provide a window of opportunity for the Syrians to secure more of the north of the country, and for the Azeris to be reigned in by Russia as well.

    Russia will lose the S-400 system to NATO inspectors in this instance of course, and left with the possibility of a hostile Turkey for the future, if a less powerful one. But it might be worth it.

    This has been beaten to death. Russia made it clear the US can inspect the s-400 sold to Turkey all they want. Won't affect the ones Russia uses.
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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:51 pm

    This is confirmed by Turkish complaints that the S-400 is not what they thought it was. So it is a monkey model.

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:39 pm

    kvs wrote:This is confirmed by Turkish complaints that the S-400 is not what they thought it was.   So it is a monkey model.


    Links ?

    It is a monkey model but still capable.

    And to the other statements, no. Turkey won't show it to NATO. Why do you think thry bought it from Russia ? To protect themselves from Russia ? No. Nato has shown total support to Greece against Turkey so if they tell anything about their systems, Greece will get all the info. Not gonna happen.

    Erdogan isn't a fan of westerners too. S-400 is its protection. And soon he will have to buy more since the israeli Biden came to power.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:45 pm

    From my understanding they were happy with it from their testing of it. Just that it isn't connected to anything sensitive which are Russia's seekers and radar systems but instead something more universal for export. It isn't even a monkey model but just not using what would be sensitive for Russia.

    I think it wasn't long ago Turkey planned to procure more.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:23 am

    Turkey in Afghanistan? And will the Turks stop Chinese silk Road train to go through area to Turkey? No? They want rail link to connect them to East ? And will America be happy with this? Same as they are happy with Europe link to Russia via Nord 2? And will China impose sanction on Turkey, if they buy American goods? Like America imposed sanction on Turkey for purchase of S400? No? So Turkey will escape the American prison camp. All we have to do is reach out. Guiding Turkey towards a joint comprehensive development plan for this region. More beneficial than being a work horse for yank invasion into Asia.
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    Post  lancelot Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:40 am

    Given the Russians have recently completed the new radar (Yenisei) and command post for S-500 which can also be used with S-400 I think this technology will quickly be superseded anyway. Even if NATO can look at it this makes little difference.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:40 am


    Power creates it's own independence. A nation that has the power to defend itself and feed itself, will exercise the choices available to it, and not be beholden in enslavement to a stronger nation, or strongest nation. It is offering a better deal that attracts others as allies and friends or equal partners. China or Russia or Iran, have only to offer a better deal. This means a long term plan and investment. Also means not following the example of West, in power expansions. A lesson more easily lost these days. Some look west and say they are right and we were wrong. We will copy them. Copy their policy and fight fire with fire. We will also have short termism. What if Asian powers helped each other in building tech. China can help the ME countries build joint industry and defence. Even the imperialist Yanks think long term enough to help South Korea build a stealth fighter jet. Can China not do better with Turkey or Iran or Syria?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:30 pm

    When they first got it and tested it the Turks said it was even better than was promised, but I suspect they realise that a modern new long range SAM system is vulnerable without layers of smaller systems protecting it.

    Remember the Russian S-400 is not what HATO faces... it is the 6,000km range OTH radars that detect targets first and pass on information to their IADS.

    There are also extra layers that Turkey wont have gotten like the AWACS jammers and decoys and self defence systems to keep them safe from attack.

    The S-400s have already been sold to China and India... it is only a matter of time before their secrets and specifications are released to HATO, but as pointed out above... just like Iran would never hand F-14s over to the Soviets in the 1980s, the Turks will not reveal the secrets of the S-400 to the US now because in both cases they are their primary line of defence.

    Further the PESA radar of the MiG-31 was vastly more sophisticated than the old piece of crap in the F-14A, and conversely the Phoenix missiles were rather better, though the missiles the Iranians got were not the best.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:07 pm

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    Turkey and Russia DIDN’T reach a new deal on a demilitarized zone in Idlib, a senior Turkish official told Middle East Eye.

    Apparently Lavrov's remarks have been mistranslated/misunderstood and related to March 2020 deal.

    https://middleeasteye.net/news/syria-idl

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:22 am

    Construction of a grandiose dam designed by Russian engineers continues in Latakia. 

    The construction of a new dam in Latakia, designed by Russian engineers, is scheduled to be completed by 2023.

    According to Chief Engineer Talal Ghani, the construction started in 2017. At the moment, the dam is 63% complete.

    "Due to the weather conditions, the work progresses slowly, especially in winter. We plan to finish it by 2023. This project was created by Russian engineers. Everything has been worked out to the smallest detail-from the supply of drinking water to the supply of water to agricultural land, " the Syrian specialist said.

    The new Latakia dam is one of the most ambitious projects for the post-war Syria. The country's authorities plan to allocate 7 billion Syrian pounds (about 410 million rubles) for its construction. The dam is expected to supply drinking water to an area of at least 300 hectares.

    50 people and 75 pieces of equipment work on the construction site every day. The main forces are involved in completing the construction of the foundation of the structure. Despite the fact that the work is carried out in a strict economy mode, the project is promised to be completed on time.

    Source: https://tvzvezda-ru.turbopages.org/tvzvezda.ru/s/news/202176551-B0ikc.html

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:37 pm

    Isos wrote:
    kvs wrote:This is confirmed by Turkish complaints that the S-400 is not what they thought it was.   So it is a monkey model.


    Links ?

    It is a monkey model but still capable.

    And to the other statements, no. Turkey won't show it to NATO. Why do you think thry bought it from Russia ? To protect themselves from Russia ? No. Nato has shown total support to Greece against Turkey so if they tell anything about their systems, Greece will get all the info. Not gonna happen.

    Erdogan isn't a fan of westerners too. S-400 is its protection. And soon he will have to buy more since the israeli Biden came to power.

    https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2499322/

    Turkey is demanding that Russia do a full technology transfer for any new sale of the S-400. They tried to reverse engineer the original batch and failed.
    They have had failed tests and complain about lack of detection range.

    Russia is not going to sell Turkey the same tech it is using in domestic S-400 systems. That is rather self-evident.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:55 pm

    kvs wrote:

    https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2499322/

    Turkey is demanding that Russia do a full technology transfer for any new sale of the S-400.   They tried to reverse engineer the original batch and failed.
    They have had failed tests and complain about lack of detection range.

    Russia is not going to sell Turkey the same tech it is using in domestic S-400 systems.   That is rather self-evident.
    Sounds like they are fucking around with the S-400 and then the anti-tamper systems kicked in.
    And now they are left with billion dollar paperweights lol.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:10 pm

    Detection range is the radar, not the system itself.

    I think you are right, they tried to tamper with it and fucked it up.
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    Post  Kiko Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 am

    Russian-made air defense systems shot down ALL Israeli missiles targeting Syria’s Homs– military. 22.07.2021.

    All four missiles fired by Israeli warplanes at Syria’s Homs province early on Thursday were shot down by the Syrian Army using Russian-made ‘Buk’ air defense systems, the Russian military has revealed.

    Two Israeli F-16 jets fired the guided missiles from Lebanese airspace, around 01:11 local time on Thursday.

    “All four missiles were destroyed by on-duty Syrian air defense units, using Russian-made Buk-M2E systems,” the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria said in a statement.

    It was the second Israeli strike against Syria this week, coinciding with the Muslim high holiday of Eid al-Adha that began Monday.

    On Tuesday, four Israeli jets fired eight missiles into Aleppo province, striking a scientific research facility in the town of Safira. Seven out of the eight were shot down, however, by Syrian air defense units using Buk-M2 and Pantsir-S weapons systems, the head of the Reconciliation Center, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit, said.

    For Tuesday’s strike, the Israeli jets had penetrated Syrian airspace through the area of At-Tanf on the Jordanian border, controlled by the US military, the Reconciliation Center said.

    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have launched airstrikes into Syrian territory for years, with Tel Aviv saying they were a self-defense measure aimed at “Iranian” targets in the country.

    Damascus has protested the attacks, calling them acts of aggression. Earlier this month, Russia, Turkey and Iran jointly condemned the “continuous” Israeli attacks as violations of “international law, international humanitarian law, the sovereignty of Syria, and neighboring countries.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/529982-syria-defenses-israeli-missiles/

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    Post  par far Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:23 am

    Kiko wrote:Russian-made air defense systems shot down ALL Israeli missiles targeting Syria’s Homs– military. 22.07.2021.

    All four missiles fired by Israeli warplanes at Syria’s Homs province early on Thursday were shot down by the Syrian Army using Russian-made ‘Buk’ air defense systems, the Russian military has revealed.

    Two Israeli F-16 jets fired the guided missiles from Lebanese airspace, around 01:11 local time on Thursday.

    “All four missiles were destroyed by on-duty Syrian air defense units, using Russian-made Buk-M2E systems,” the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria said in a statement.

    It was the second Israeli strike against Syria this week, coinciding with the Muslim high holiday of Eid al-Adha that began Monday.

    On Tuesday, four Israeli jets fired eight missiles into Aleppo province, striking a scientific research facility in the town of Safira. Seven out of the eight were shot down, however, by Syrian air defense units using Buk-M2 and Pantsir-S weapons systems, the head of the Reconciliation Center, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit, said.

    For Tuesday’s strike, the Israeli jets had penetrated Syrian airspace through the area of At-Tanf on the Jordanian border, controlled by the US military, the Reconciliation Center said.

    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have launched airstrikes into Syrian territory for years, with Tel Aviv saying they were a self-defense measure aimed at “Iranian” targets in the country.

    Damascus has protested the attacks, calling them acts of aggression. Earlier this month, Russia, Turkey and Iran jointly condemned the “continuous” Israeli attacks as violations of “international law, international humanitarian law, the sovereignty of Syria, and neighboring countries.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/529982-syria-defenses-israeli-missiles/


    To stop these asshole Israelis, you have to give them a blood nose, it is the only language they understand.

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