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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

Russian_Patriot_

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Russian_Patriot_ Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:19 pm

By order of the President of Russia, Russian Aerospace Forces planes flew to Damascus with an important mission. The IL-76 arrived at the Damascus airport. A batch of 250,000 doses of Sputnik V vaccine and 1 million tests for laboratory diagnostics of coronavirus for the needs of the SAR were transferred.

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JohninMK Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:59 pm

It seems as if the RuAF are taking an more interest in these IAF attacks into Syria in that the reporting is now coming from Russian sources.

Perhaps its only a matter of time until a more aggressive tactic of "follow you home" SAMs targeting the launch aircraft whilst others target the incoming munitions is actioned.

With the real world testing in Syria has anyone heard of Tor and other systems being short term deployed by the RuAF and controlled by them in Syria. For a start which systems are protecting the S-300/400 systems at Tartous and up in the mountains nearby?

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#UPDATE: Russian MoD: In the time from 5:40 to 05:54 on July 25, two F-16 aircraft of the Israeli Air Force struck, without entering the airspace of the Syrian Arab Republic, from the direction Southwest, with two guided missiles at targets in the Sayeda Zainab (Damascus) area

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medo Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:40 am

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Pictures of Israeli bombs Spice-1000 shot down by Syrian AD. Pictures are from 2019.

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PapaDragon Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:06 am

JohninMK wrote:...With the real world testing in Syria has anyone heard of Tor and other systems being short term deployed by the RuAF and controlled by them in Syria. For a start which systems are protecting the S-300/400 systems at Tartous and up in the mountains nearby?...

Strategic AA systems are protected by Pantsir-M, that's the intended setup

Tor is used to provide mobile cover for Army units in tandem with BUK

If it's on wheels it's strategic, if it's on tracks it's tactical, they operate separately

Tactical SAMs follow and protect Army units which are all covered wholesale by strategic SAMs

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lyle6 Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:13 am

medo wrote:

Pictures of Israeli bombs Spice-1000 shot down by Syrian AD. Pictures are from 2019.

Came with intact ICs as well:
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How generous of the Israelis to transfer their valuable guided bomb technology to the Syrians (and Iranians)

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Isos Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:22 am

I wouldn't say intact. Hardly possible to get something out of it.

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GarryB Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:24 pm

The components would be generic parts... even if they were broken you could replicate the layout of components and create your own board if you wanted... ROM chips and data storage devices could be hacked to get the software that made them work.

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JohninMK Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:26 am

GarryB wrote:The components would be generic parts... even if they were broken you could replicate the layout of components and create your own board if you wanted... ROM chips and data storage devices could be hacked to get the software that made them work.

From my experience of PCBs I would say that the important part of that board, with the ICs, is the top in the photo were there is significant damage. Unlikely to recover much out of that.

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GarryB Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:55 pm

You would be amazed at what experienced intel guys can work out from things.

Did they use standard components... were there any modifications... where do they source their components from... ie who made them... all these things are useful, and of course recovering information from RAM and Hard drive sources would be useful too...

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kvs Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:51 pm

Looks like the underside of a PCB with components on both sides. The main components are on the opposite side not shown and
we have no idea of the damage. The board does not look badly burnt so the ICs that have not been mechanically damaged are recoverable.

It really does look like the ROMs would be intact. But more useful would be understanding the design of this guided bomb to
create EW measures against it.

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Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:51 pm

The Syrian-Russian conference on refugees was held in Damascus.

Thanks to the efforts of the Syrian government and support from Russia, 2.5 million refugees have already returned to their homes and about 5 million IDPs receive humanitarian support, provide housing, work and education.

Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Ayman Susan welcomed the joint efforts made to ensure safe conditions for returning refugees. He also noted that the aggressive policy of some countries hinders the establishment of stability in Syria.

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nomadski Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:53 am

Congratulations to the Syrians and Russia for intercepting ALL Usrael air launched weapons. My only concern here is costs. The Americans may have deep pockets of 800 billion Dollars for defence. But do we want to match them one for one blows? It will weaken us or even bankrupt us. The same pressure during cold war on economy, to match Nuke missile for Nuke missile. Must find cheaper ways. As someone said chase the planes home and take out the airfield, when pilots are sleeping. No casualties.

Edit : They are already hitting Syrian planes on the ground.......

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ALAMO Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:05 am

Muricas pockets are much more shallow than it seems, my friend.
We will face it, soon.

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GarryB Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:40 pm

Low flying cruise missiles... issue public warnings that continued Israeli attacks on Syria will lead to consequences... and use the same mountains that the Israelis use for covering their standoff attacks to fly cruise missiles into Israeli airspace.

Simple cheap design... the missile equivalent of a cessna.. cheap light engine, lots of fuel, and an electronic guidance system similar to GPS using satellite and also cell phone networks... as it flys it will pass cell towers whose signals it should be able to detect and determine its location.

Make it clear that every missile Israel launches will be matched by a cruise missile... their air defence missiles are rather more expensive that yours...

If the brown stuff does hit the rotating room cooling system then having a lot of ready to fire cruise missiles will be very useful anyway...extend their range with external fuel tanks...

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ALAMO Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:45 pm

You are suggesting a strategy derived from the one Hezbollah is using, but with ballistic rockets instead.
It's main goal was to bleed the Israelis, as they would use a $250k interceptors to shoot down a rocket made of hydraulic pipe.
The main problem was, that Israelis are not so easy to bleed - reaching deep into US taxpayer's pockets.

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Isos Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:19 pm

ALAMO wrote:You are suggesting a strategy derived from the one Hezbollah is using, but with ballistic rockets instead.
It's main goal was to bleed the Israelis, as they would use a $250k interceptors to shoot down a rocket made of hydraulic pipe.
The main problem was, that Israelis are not so easy to bleed - reaching deep into US taxpayer's pockets.

You are confusing hamas and hezbollah.

The one they faced was hamas that is a guerilla in a totally closed area where it's almost to import a toothbrosh let alone rockets. Most of their rocket a as powerfull as a handgrenade.

Hezbollah is in another league with highly sophisticated weaponery. They have bigger and much better rockets and in much greater number. They have atgms. They even have cruise missiles.

If Israel go at full war with them they will feel it for sure. They won't loose because it is still a guerilla but they will get really hurt.

That's why incidents at the border are rare. Israeli don't want to escalate against them like they do against hamas.

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Hole Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:55 pm

Israel had nearly no missiles left after 10 days of conflict. That´s why they called a "ceasefire".

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PapaDragon Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:39 pm

Hole wrote:Israel had nearly no missiles left after 10 days of conflict. That´s why they called a "ceasefire".

And Palestinians agreed to it like idiots even though they were supposed to have the upper hand at that point

Win for Israel

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Hole Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:50 am

Nope. Nazinyahoo claimed he would destroy every launch pad in the Gaza strip. Palestinians were still launching missiles/rockets so he had to beg for a ceasefire.

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PapaDragon Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:02 am

Hole wrote:Nope. Nazinyahoo claimed he would destroy every launch pad in the Gaza strip. Palestinians were still launching missiles/rockets so he had to beg for a ceasefire.

So why did they agree?

Weren't they winning? Weren't their enemies begging?

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Isos Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:17 am

Hole wrote:Israel had nearly no missiles left after 10 days of conflict. That´s why they called a "ceasefire".

Hamas rocket don't even need to be intercepted. They are shitty anyway.

Israel don't have a unlimited number of interceptor missile. They can't intercept all the cheap rockets fired at them.

Iron dome is good in the first days giving time to bomb hamas locations. And if they went at full power they could destroy all Gaza.

Hamas can't fight Israel and hope to win.

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GarryB Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:17 pm

Ballistic rockets are much shorter range and I am talking about Syria not a group of freedom fighters.

Low flying cruise missiles with a modest payload but potential for rather more if things escalate that fly to specific targets and locations are going to be rather more problem that a ballistic rocket on a fixed predictable trajectory.