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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:13 pm

    franco wrote:Unfortunately those idiots just moved these research labs outside the USA to continue unhindered by the legal regulations.  

    The one based in Georgia, there idiotic Russophobic leadership should rethink in maintaining their bioweapons Lab. Also, check out the original date of the article...Nov. 2015. They took bats from China, to North Carolina and did this sick shit. Isn't it interesting they mention SARS, which makes you wonder if it was weaponized as well. Well it came back around, infected NATO generals, Pro-Western leaders (Ballsnutsorryho in Brazil), and made US companies lose trillions of dollars in the stock-market! Now how'd that work out for them? Rolling Eyes Embarassed
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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:01 pm

    228 confirmed cases / 4 dead in Greece
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    Post  Regular on Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:54 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:Russia did test around 600,000 people. Russian government does take it seriously. They are on the same level of awareness as South Koreans. I do believe Russian medical system is not the greatest at the moment and they can't afford loads and loads of sick people this is why such measures are taken

    It tested about 95k to date, not 600k

    Which is still well above the European average mind you.

    Yes, this was my mistake. There were 600k testing kits distributed according to RT.

    Yes, Russia is behind Europe by almost a month. But it seems this virus is unstoppable and it will test how good health systems are in respective countries.

    So far - most of the countries and their gov response is shocking. Half measures, reactive behaviour, money before people.. Not to mention - herd immunity and other really disappointing decisions. I'm not an altruist myself, but Gov are trying to protect themselves, rich and taxpayers are just a herd that will be thinned out. It should be governments responsibility to protect the weak and old, fuck economy.

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    Post  franco on Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:00 pm

    All the governments seem to be rationing the test to only suspected cases.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:06 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    franco wrote:Unfortunately those idiots just moved these research labs outside the USA to continue unhindered by the legal regulations.  

    The one based in Georgia, there idiotic Russophobic leadership should rethink in maintaining their bioweapons Lab. Also, check out the original date of the article...Nov. 2015. They took bats from China, to North Carolina and did this sick shit. Isn't it interesting they mention SARS, which makes you wonder if it was weaponized as well. Well it came back around, infected NATO generals, Pro-Western leaders (Ballsnutsorryho in Brazil), and made US companies lose trillions of dollars in the stock-market! Now how'd that work out for them? Rolling Eyes Embarassed

    This is exactly the sort of brain rotted hubris that governs the yanquis and their minions. I suspect that their non-closure of borders is based on them
    being "informed" that the strains were "our creations" and would not affect "us". This also explains Trumpy's smug "its a flu" line until last week. But
    as you note, reality did not follow the script. There is evidence that whatever was released initially mutated. This information is being actively suppressed
    since I am not hearing any follow up. The strain in Iran appears not to be the same one in China. And I would not be surprised if the Italian strain was
    also different. NATzO monkeys f*cked up big time. They forgot that corona is a retrovirus species and thus a genetic moving target. No amount
    engineering of the RNA/DNA will compensate for this aspect.

    Another possibility is that Russia was an intended target but reacted too fast and too effectively. This would require the virus to be dual target and
    would likely compromise its utility. Russia's gene pool is a blend of European and Asian. If you want to contain the disease to China, maybe you
    can develop a narrow gene target and then pray mutations do not let the virus jump to other targets before it fades away. (Fades away like SARS).
    By trying to kill two birds with one stone NATzO f*cktards likely resulted in the Italian strain.

    Predicting the mutation of a retro virus in the wild is not possible. Labs by definition deal with small sample sets in an artificial environment. And
    there are no models that can simulate something like a virus infecting different hosts and undergoing genetic mutation. Basically the whole world
    as a trial and error lab is the best researchers can do.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm

    The comparison of empty shelving is interesting. When Yeltsin the Drunk too over and hyperinflation wiped out peoples incomes, the
    shelves in Russia became full again. Not because of more production, but because nobody could buy the produce. The empty shelves
    at Costco, etc., reflect the late Soviet regime in the sense that people can afford to buy up products faster than they are stocked.
    I would call the post 1991 period in the ex-USSR the real collapse even if the shelves were full.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:11 pm

    franco wrote:All the governments seem to be rationing the test to only suspected cases.

    Which defeats their purpose. Interesting how the MSM does not properly explain this shortage of testing kits but instead engages
    in political opportunist propaganda.

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    Post  Regular on Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:53 pm

    There are reports about 2nd wave brewing in China. So far, nothing is confirmed and I do believe it's still to early. I was thinking that Autumn and winter will be very scary...
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    Post  franco on Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:21 pm

    Regular wrote:There are reports about 2nd wave brewing in China. So far, nothing is confirmed and I do believe it's still to early. I was thinking that Autumn and winter will be very scary...

    Believe SARS had 2 or more waves. Think it is to be expected.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:47 pm



    Russia is currently testing at the rate of 20,000 per week and this rate is limited by availability of test kits.
    The production of test kits is increasing.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:49 pm

    franco wrote:
    Regular wrote:There are reports about 2nd wave brewing in China. So far, nothing is confirmed and I do believe it's still to early. I was thinking that Autumn and winter will be very scary...

    Believe SARS had 2 or more waves. Think it is to be expected.

    We'll have to worry if the amplitude of these after-shocks is greater than the initial earthquake.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm


    Russia is currently testing at the rate of 20,000 per week and this rate is limited by availability of test kits.
    The production of test kits is increasing.

    Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:52 pm

    franco wrote:All the governments seem to be rationing the test to only suspected cases.

    Well if you use a test on a wealthy guy, he can always be contaminated after that and you used a test for nothing.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:53 pm

    They already tested positive some who had no symptoms.
    https://tunein.com/podcasts/World-News/BBC-News-p14/





    Meanwhile, a related scam is here: https://survivecoronavirus.org/dvideo/?aff_id=11&subid2=5945_sessid20200315185517560&subid=439


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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Anyone got a theory why Italy of all places got hammered so hard by COVID?

    Even Wuhan got of more lightly than them so what happened there that deviated so much from average?


    Read somewhere that it's because of all the Chinese workers in Northern Italy. Probably working in textile mills near Milan and so on.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.

    We don't know

    There has been an article which questions the test kit manufactured by the state research centre of virology and biotechnology as to whether it's able to detect the coronavirus at low enough concentrations. This might explain the low amount of confirmed cases so far.

    https://pcr.news/stati/test-na-koronavirus-dlya-rossii/
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:37 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Russia is currently testing at the rate of 20,000 per week and this rate is limited by availability of test kits.
    The production of test kits is increasing.

    Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.

    Buy a clue. Like all of the other western trash you assume Russians are morons who do not understand the basics of immune
    response to viral infection. How would they be able to make any test if there was nothing to test? There is an immune system
    antibody response in minutes after infection. Symptoms show up after the infection progresses to a critical level where there
    is a systemic response to the disease as opposed to cellular level. That is why the flu, corona virus, and bacterial infections all
    induce similar symptoms (fever, sweating, mucous accumulation, etc.) since these are the characteristics of a systemic response
    by the body to suppress the infection.

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    Post  franco on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:42 pm

    The Germans are not happy with this:

    "US President Donald Trump is trying to attract German scientists from CureVac, who are working on a vaccine against coronavirus, to develop the drug exclusively for the United States, a source in the German government said.

    According to Welt am Sonntag, Trump allegedly offers them a large amount of money to either lure them to the United States or get a vaccine exclusively for their country, the VZGLYAD newspaper reports with reference to Deutsche Welle.

    The representative of the Ministry of Health of Germany said that the government is interested in developing drugs against coronavirus in Germany and Europe and is in constant contact with this company.

    “The government is very interested in the development of a vaccine and drugs against the new coronavirus in Germany and in Europe,” the minister’s representative said.

    The publication also notes that the German side is trying to keep the company financially.

    Meanwhile, on March 3, the CureVac website reported that the chairman of the tubing firm, Dan Menicella, visited the United States at the invitation of the White House, where he met with Trump and vice president Mike Pence. The parties discussed the strategy and possibilities for the rapid development of a vaccine."
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Can it detect the virus before symptoms appears and the tested guy is able to transmit the virus ? If not that's not really usefull.

    We don't know

    There has been an article which questions the test kit manufactured by the state research centre of virology and biotechnology as to whether it's able to detect the coronavirus at low enough concentrations. This might explain the low amount of confirmed cases so far.

    https://pcr.news/stati/test-na-koronavirus-dlya-rossii/

    The usual amateur tin foil hat plausibility theorizing.

    So you actually claim that the test kits just measure random organic molecules, eh? That they are nothing more than a scam.
    The typical liberast smear based on nothing but hate pulled straight from the ass.

    Testing for viral infections is usually based on tagging antibodies and PCR can extract viral DNA.

    https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/advaite-produces-covid-19-rapid-response-diagnostic-testing-kits/
    https://www.ncbiotech.org/news/biomedomics-seeks-fda-ok-covid-19-rapid-diagnostic

    Test kits exist already. Only blowhards of the 5th column type claim that Russia is incapable of such technology.


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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:46 pm

    Testing positive without symptoms is perfectly normal for people whose immune systems are effective at handling this virus.
    Not all humans have identical capability of fighting off a given disease. PC retardation notwithstanding.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:56 pm



    Bulgaria first revises history to claim that the USSR did not help liberate Europe from the Nazis, but now wants Russia to help
    it fight the Covid-19 pandemic.

    According to various morons posting in this thread, the above is an impossibility because Russia cannot into medicine.  
    GTFO, losers.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:18 pm


    State of emergency has been declared just now here in Serbia

    Military recommended it yesterday and el-presidente just made it official:

    - Borders are closed, travel bans are in effect

    - Hospitals are placed under military protection

    - Movement ban for people over 65, are to stay at home

    - Police will be enforcing quarantine for those who are tested positive and checking on elderly

    - Schools are out until end of the school year (I just went from being late with paperwork to having 3 whole months to wrap it up, upside is I will have more time to spend with you guys here Cool )

    - Export is suspended for local producers of sanitizer

    - State ordered additional supplies and respirators from abroad (my guess China)

    - 3 year prison sentence for those not adhering to quarantine


    Plus other usual stuff

    Currently we have 38 registered cases, 2 are on respirators and critical



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:57 pm

    The second wave of coronavirus in China allowed in the USA
    Singaporean scientists discovered that the coronavirus COVID-2019, which caused an epidemic in Chinese Wuhan, and then in other countries, mutated and became less noticeable to the human immune system.
    Researchers have identified in many patients with COVID-2019 a new strain of the virus in which a large 382 nucleotide length genome has been removed. The missing fragment is responsible for the production of the protein involved in the assembly of new viruses.
    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2884697.html
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:47 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The second wave of coronavirus in China allowed in the USA
    Singaporean scientists discovered that the coronavirus COVID-2019, which caused an epidemic in Chinese Wuhan, and then in other countries, mutated and became less noticeable to the human immune system.
    Researchers have identified in many patients with COVID-2019 a new strain of the virus in which a large 382 nucleotide length genome has been removed. The missing fragment is responsible for the production of the protein involved in the assembly of new viruses.
    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2884697.html

    This text does not make any sense. So the virus mutated to simplify its structure or did it mutate to be less effective at making copies of itself? The
    latter is a reduction in virulence. Since the virus is still spreading fast, this mutation is basically background noise.

    In terms of a structural change, it can remove surface proteins that are used by the human immune system to produce effective antibodies, but
    it cannot change its structure to be totally invisible. So the target surface molecules will change and antibodies will still be produced. You
    really need an HIV type mechanism to frustrate the response of the immune system.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:59 pm


    Almost all cases in Serbia have been traced back to North Italy, directly or indirectly


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