Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

kvs wrote:

nomadski wrote:I heard on the radio, that the British are complaining to Russia, over stories about source of corona, possibly being man made in Lab in West. But terrorism  can use any tool. An explosive belt or Novichok or Corona. Just because the means are somehow scientific or technical. Does not mean that motivations are rational. After reading a bit on the Internet and here, no doubt bio - weapons are very possible. Motive could be simply hatred or money. What I think we need to know, is that, will corona evolve naturally, by somebody eating a Bat and having a snake for dessert and also suffering from HIV?  The corona should form easily, if this is naturally possible. If not, then must find source of release of bio weapon.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/science/biohackers-gene-editing-virus.amp.html

Retro-viruses can easily jump between species.   All of the nasty flue strains involved migration from one species to another and China is the
perfect environment for this due to population density and bizarre eating habits.   So we had avian flu going through pigs to humans.
It is very likely that this strain of corona virus originated in bats.     One theory I have heard is that a biolab in Wuhan which used
bats as in vivo test specimens sold the bats afterwards to restaurants and markets since the bats are considered magical meat
and fetch a high price.   It is very plausible that they money incentive was there and that the clowns selling the lab bats assumed
they would be properly cooked.   But thanks to the voodoo think about "potency" (e.g. Tiger penis) the bats were not properly
cooked for the soup.  

A very plausible theory for the origin of HIV (aka AIDS) was SIV migration into the human population during the 1950s polio
vaccine trials in Africa.   The western researchers who staged these trials used live chimps as incubators and did not process the vaccines
for contamination by other viruses.    Of course, there is rabid denial of this theory by the western establishment, but HIV was
obviously something unknown before the 1950s.   It is no accident that there was massive infection with HIV in the region of
Africa that the polio vaccine trials were staged.   The initial infection happened during the 1950s.   By the 1970s the disease
jumped to other continents and was rapidly spread by groups (gays, drug users) where blood contact was common.  

IMHO, HIV is one of the "good" guys in viruses. It mainly affects degenerates. Heterosexuals and non drug users are hardly affected. I am quite disappointed that medicine today is very potent to extend lives of these scum. And of course by using our money.

Now about SARS-CoV-2 virus - if this virus was able to infect dog and if it came from the bat.. would it have capacity to jump back to Bats in South America and have a permanent reservoir in them? Or it needs mutations to do so? I know very little about biology.

Situation here:

- Gyms are closed

- People over 65 are banned from going outside (food and supplies delivered by aid workers and volunteers)

- Police curfew between 8PM and 5AM is in effect starting tonight for everyone

- Military deployed to guard hospitals, borders, vital facilities and migrant detention centers

- Convicts (non violent ones) are drafted to make surgical masks

- TV started airing school lessons

- Massive supply of aid is expected from China on Saturday

- Bank loans and other payments are given 90 days suspension


Whole thing is expected to last roughly 3 months. People may think that COVID-19 is bad but I have a feeling that CABIN-FEVER-20 will be worse

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Regular wrote:

kvs wrote:

nomadski wrote:I heard on the radio, that the British are complaining to Russia, over stories about source of corona, possibly being man made in Lab in West. But terrorism  can use any tool. An explosive belt or Novichok or Corona. Just because the means are somehow scientific or technical. Does not mean that motivations are rational. After reading a bit on the Internet and here, no doubt bio - weapons are very possible. Motive could be simply hatred or money. What I think we need to know, is that, will corona evolve naturally, by somebody eating a Bat and having a snake for dessert and also suffering from HIV?  The corona should form easily, if this is naturally possible. If not, then must find source of release of bio weapon.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/science/biohackers-gene-editing-virus.amp.html

Retro-viruses can easily jump between species.   All of the nasty flue strains involved migration from one species to another and China is the
perfect environment for this due to population density and bizarre eating habits.   So we had avian flu going through pigs to humans.
It is very likely that this strain of corona virus originated in bats.     One theory I have heard is that a biolab in Wuhan which used
bats as in vivo test specimens sold the bats afterwards to restaurants and markets since the bats are considered magical meat
and fetch a high price.   It is very plausible that they money incentive was there and that the clowns selling the lab bats assumed
they would be properly cooked.   But thanks to the voodoo think about "potency" (e.g. Tiger penis) the bats were not properly
cooked for the soup.  

A very plausible theory for the origin of HIV (aka AIDS) was SIV migration into the human population during the 1950s polio
vaccine trials in Africa.   The western researchers who staged these trials used live chimps as incubators and did not process the vaccines
for contamination by other viruses.    Of course, there is rabid denial of this theory by the western establishment, but HIV was
obviously something unknown before the 1950s.   It is no accident that there was massive infection with HIV in the region of
Africa that the polio vaccine trials were staged.   The initial infection happened during the 1950s.   By the 1970s the disease
jumped to other continents and was rapidly spread by groups (gays, drug users) where blood contact was common.  

IMHO, HIV is one of the "good" guys in viruses. It mainly affects degenerates. Heterosexuals and non drug users are hardly affected. I am quite disappointed that medicine today is very potent to extend lives of these scum. And of course by using our money.

Now about SARS-CoV-2 virus - if this virus was able to infect dog and if it came from the bat.. would it have capacity to jump back to Bats in South America and have a permanent reservoir in them? Or it needs mutations to do so? I know very little about biology.

Mutations are a barrier for jumping between species to some extent. But retro-viruses cheat evolution by being able to exchange
genetic material between each other. So create the right conditions and sooner rather than later the jump will occur. Also,
humans, dogs and bats are all mammals which makes the species jumping much easier. So if the flu can jump from ducks to
pigs, then the corona virus can jump from dogs to bats. Given that this corona virus strain is likely to have originated in bats,
it going into the bat population anywhere on the planet is high.

The MSM does not inform the public on the nuances of disease spread and retro-viral dynamics between species. It just
throws out some information and that's it.

That's a french study that looks promizing. Chinese have also tested this chloroquine and also had good result. I wonder why they don't start giving it to more people to see if it really works. They have plenty of stocks. French health minister said wider use will start to see if it is really good. This first test was not indicative because only some 20 people were tested. I hope it works.

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GarryB wrote:

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So a population explosion starting in about 9 months time...

More like an explosion of divorces in two weeks

GarryB wrote:

On the upside internet is free until further notice and all cable TV channels are unlocked for everyone (porn included)

So a population explosion starting in about 9 months time...

Well, in Italy we have the problem of not enough babies and an aging population, so actually forcing people at home for a while could bring important benefits...

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

GarryB wrote:

On the upside internet is free until further notice and all cable TV channels are unlocked for everyone (porn included)

So a population explosion starting in about 9 months time...

Well, in Italy we have the problem of not enough babies and an aging population, so actually forcing people at home for a while could bring important  benefits...

the real problem is that people can't move and are stuck in their households. Surely, you don't want Incesto bambino. But there's other side of this - no abortions until this is over. There more lives saved by this than virus managed to kill.

Regular wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

GarryB wrote:

On the upside internet is free until further notice and all cable TV channels are unlocked for everyone (porn included)

So a population explosion starting in about 9 months time...

Well, in Italy we have the problem of not enough babies and an aging population, so actually forcing people at home for a while could bring important  benefits...

the real problem is that people can't move and are stuck in their households. Surely, you don't want Incesto bambino. But there's other side of this - no abortions until this is over. There more lives saved by this than virus managed to kill.

well there are also many couples without children that are stuck at home. No need for incests..

In the months ahead, India may have more deaths than all the others combined. More than 400 million of India’s 1.3 billion people live in crowded cities, including many without regular access to clean water, conditions that could allow the disease to spread rapidly.
https://apnews.com/58b05ada591d1028cc775d45b55c3eachttps://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/coronavirus-in-india-what-is-happening-and-what-you-should-know/articleshow/73978271.cms?from=mdr



https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/india-covid-19-coronavirus-updates-status-by-state/

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/special-focus/covid-19/coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak-latest-information-news-and-updates/

https://lenta.ru/news/2020/03/19/situation/

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8025703

https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/729873-kabmin-mery-koronavirus-rossiya

With China kicking out all foreign reporters it is clear the virus is running rampant across the country.  Death toll could be approaching a million.

Vladimir79 wrote:With China kicking out all foreign reporters it is clear the virus is running rampant across the country.  Death toll could be approaching a million.

Any source ?

Only US reporters are kicked out because there is a diplomatic war right now with the Trump gov that focuses more on making China guilty rather than fighting the virus.

A million dead isn't easy to hide. And US should be more worried about their own country because they can't even test their population neither the population can have access to affordable treatments in case they are sick.

Next we'll be told that Russia is covering up millions of cases also.   As if Russia has freaking motive to do this.   Funny how motive
is tossed out the window when it comes to Russia.   For example the Litvinenko, Skripal, etc. cases.   Litvinenko was an indirect
asset who ran his mouth about a suit case full of "proof" that the FSB staged the August 1999 apartment bombings as a pretext
to invade, even though the main Wahabbi warlord in Chechnya took credit and Russia had more than enough pretext after the
invasion of Daghestan (a constituent of the Russian Federation) in which 700 civilians were slaughtered by the jihadis (ISIS repeated
this mass murder pattern years later).   Why would Putin let Litvininenko run his mouth for years and then have him offed?
What's the motive?   It would only be a plausible conspiracy theory is if Litvinenko was offed as soon as he opened his mouth and
his magic (i.e. non-existent) briefcase disappeared. Nothing stopped Litvinenko from opening up his magic briefcase to westerrn
reporters. Nobody was held hostage to keep him quiet. He was an indirect asset exactly because he had nothing and just
ran his retarded mouth off. Like his claim that Putin staged the Danish Mohamed cartoon scandal.

BTW, how are some US reporters in China going to determine the extent of the pandemic in that country?  They will not have access
to quarantined regions and they have no methodology to collect statistics.   The best they could possibly do is spread rumours.
During pandemics rumours serve no purpose other than to create hysteria.

China's Draconian response to this virus is a good thing for humanity no matter what some snowflakes claim.

BTW, I find it highly improbable that France has no Covid-19 problem when Italy does. France was following the PC BS policies
of Italy, UK and the rest of faggy U-rope.

So before bitching about Russia and China, residents of France should worry more about what is going on in their back yards.
And don't even try to pooh-pooh this fact. Western regimes are playing the same game as Japan by restricting
testing. In fact, Italy was distinct in that it tested both live and deceased patients. So its numbers are by definition
more accurate than the BS being put out by the USA, UK, France, Sweden, Japan, etc.

France is in quarantine right now. Myself I work from home. It started 2 days ago and it's already unsustainable for the french. Macron said 15 days but it will probably 1 month at least.

Numbers of case double every three days.

kvs wrote:BTW, I find it highly improbable that France has no Covid-19 problem when Italy does.   France was following the PC BS policies
of Italy, UK and the rest of faggy U-rope.  

So before bitching about Russia and China, residents of France should worry more about what is going on in their back yards.
And don't even try to pooh-pooh this fact.   Western regimes are playing the same game as Japan by restricting
testing.   In fact, Italy was distinct in that it tested both live and deceased patients.   So its numbers are by definition
more accurate than the BS being put out by the USA, UK, France, Sweden, Japan, etc.

Exactly, here in Germany not only they refuse to test many people (also with some symptoms) but they don't count all the people that had previous condition in the death count for covid19, while Italy included there all the deaths from people that resulted positive to this virus, even if it was only a contributory cause...

However, even if it is only a contributory cause, and maybe it was just the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back... in many of such cases we are talking of people that would have survived, if not for this virus, even if they were immunocompromised.

Furthermore I saw some of the data showing official infected numbers... germany and france are only about 10 days behind Italy and actually growing faste4

Isos wrote:

GarryB wrote:

On the upside internet is free until further notice and all cable TV channels are unlocked for everyone (porn included)

So a population explosion starting in about 9 months time...

More like an explosion of divorces in two weeks

Underground fight clubs in every basement in week at most

Vladimir79 wrote:With China kicking out all foreign reporters it is clear the virus is running rampant across the country. Death toll could be approaching a million.

April 1st is still couple of weeks away my guy

The President also appears to be seeking other enemies -- in addition to the coronavirus. He has stepped up his efforts to blame China for the pandemic in recent days, angered at efforts by Chinese officials to blame the US for the disease as part of a propaganda campaign orchestrated by Beijing to bolster the Communist Party leadership.
Trump's campaign is meanwhile seizing on his anti-China rhetoric to attack his likely general election opponent former Vice President Joe Biden.
"America is under attack -- not just by an invisible virus, but by the Chinese," a campaign email sent to reporters said Wednesday.
"What is Joe Biden up to as all this is happening? Siding with the Chinese and attacking the presidential candidate China fears most: Donald Trump," the email said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/donald-trump-leadership-coronavirus/index.html

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Tsavo Lion wrote:...The Coronavirus and the Kursk Submarine Disaster

Yo, chincom fanboy!

Stop posting off topic crap, stop posting off topic crap from Soros clowns and especially stop plastering links together with headline, post title and link separately so people can know when to skip clicking on your bullshit

Do you ever post a single useful thing in the whole time you were here?

Looking at the spread of virus. You would expect it to follow trade routes from China. The greater the volume of trade, should indicate how fast the virus spread. And in what direction. However from this volume of trade in wiki, the spread of virus is different. Does not make sense. Why countries with much larger trade volume, did not get infected first. Looks like infection was not spread from China alone. May have had separate sources.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

Compare to time lapse of spread of virus. When the virus spread. Also the rate of spread, too rapid in some countries, with similar heath care facility. Difference in rate of contagion, can not be simply explained by different level of health care. Could be a different form or more lethal form of virus.

https://youtu.be/6uu1MGyGjvI

nomadski wrote:
Looking at the spread of virus. You would expect it to follow trade routes from China. The greater the volume of trade, should indicate how fast the virus spread. And in what direction. However from this volume of trade in wiki, the spread of virus is different. Does not make sense. Why countries with much larger trade volume, did not get infected first. Looks like infection was not spread from China alone. May have had separate sources.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

It is more complex than the 1500s. Now we have air travel all over the place. Hong Kong save itself by clamping down the border and engaging strict
quarantine. Singapore did the same and so did Russia. These measure work without any doubt. Russia's cases are mostly due to Italy which was
reckless in its border control and quarantine. Voluntary quarantine obviously does not work and every government knows this for decades.

However, it is true that the Italian strain is not the same as the Wuhan strain. So either it mutated, or this whole pandemic is orchestrated.

There are a lot of countries, like Saudi or Brazil, with far higher trade or commerce with China than Iran. And I don't think they took precautions, until very late. But they got Corona well after Iran. And I think trade volume is good measure of how the virus should spread. Since virus survives from three days to nine days on surfaces. Time enough to get a ride on air freight. Or cargo. So precaution by Russia or Hong Kong may answer why they did not get it quickly. But other examples, do not explain, why they did not get it until much later.

This virus traveled by air not by sea (first shipborne case probably took place last week at earliest)

As for Russia people keep ignoring earlier quarantines, larger average distances between cities and more popular methods of transportation (trains and airplanes) which make it easier to organize checkups

https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/russia-closes-borders-until-may-due-to-covid-19-2020-3-18-26/

Revisionist propaganda.  Russia is not following anyone's lead.   It closed its border with China in January when EU-tards like
the mayor of Milan told Italians to hug Chinese people.    I guess western smartass propaganda experts thought they could
paint Russia in a bad light.   Reality had other plans.

BTW, Russia did the EU at least a partial favour be removing the flow of Covid-19 over Russian territory from China to Europe.
Not that faggy U-rope would ever admit this.

https://ru.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

- As of March 19, the Government of the Russian Federation has reported 199 cumulative cases of coronavirus. These include cases of community transmission.
- As of March 19, the Government of the Russian Federation reported conducting 133,101 tests, now approximating a pace of 10,000 tests daily.
- Mandatory temperature screenings and other diagnostic and protective measures are being implemented at international airports and other major transit hubs. For a detailed account of efforts underway by the Government of the Russian Federation to address coronavirus, please refer to the link in the Local Resources section.

- Effective March 18, the Government of the Russian Federation banned the entry of all foreign nationals until May 1. The ban does not apply to diplomats, airplane crew members, permanent residents of the Russian Federation, or transit passengers.
- Effective March 13, the Government of the Russian Federation banned entry of Italian citizens into Russia.
- Effective March 1, the Government of the Russian Federation restricted entry of South Koreans into Russia. South Koreans may only enter the Russian Federation via Sheremetyevo International Airport in Moscow.
- Effective February 28, the Government of the Russian Federation banned all entry of Iranian citizens into Russia.
- Effective February 20, the Government of the Russian Federation banned entry of Chinese nationals into Russia, except for transit purposes.