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    Post  franco Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:00 pm

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/224-new-plants-are-being-built-in-russia-right-now/

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    224 NEW PLANTS ARE BEING BUILT IN RUSSIA RIGHT NOW
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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:56 pm



    Russia will build a floating mineral processing combine for the mining operations on Novaya Zemlya.

    The capacity is about 300,000 tons of extracted metal per year.

    The USSR had a smaller combine for a pilot seabed mining project which was determined to be non-viable
    but due to poor characterization of the deposit.



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    Post  George1 Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:51 am

    The next new generation nuclear reactor is nearly ready for delivery: Atomenergomash at Volgodonsk done a full assembly of the first VVER-TOI reactor pressure vessel and reactor pressure vessel head for Kursk NPP-2 unit-1. VVER-TOI (VVER-1300) is the most up to date russian nuclear project which is implemented for the first time at Kursk NPP-2.

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    Full load: On January 3rd, at 2:10 pm, Russia's newest nuclear reactor, Leningrad II-2, reached it's design electrical power output of 1165 MW with hitting 100% design output from it's VVER-1200 nuclear reactor, producing a thermal power of 3200 MW. With a combined power of 4400 MW, Leningrad NPP is currently the most powerful nuclear power plant in Russia.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:11 am

    Russian machine tool industry: Europe "tasted" equipment from the Russian Federation

    On the very eve of the New Year, the Stankomashstroy plant completed the assembly of its thousandth machine tool. This is a universal screw-cutting lathe equipment belonging to the ST series, brand 16k20. This unit will soon be shipped to a customer in Denmark. The press service of the enterprise reports.

    Europe "tasted" high technologies of the Russian Federation

    The machine of the ST 16k20 series is equipped with digital readouts, quick-change tool holders of the MultiFix type, and was also retrofitted with special attachments in accordance with the wishes of the European customer, which adapted the machine to the foreign market.

    The plant from Penza has been supplying equipment abroad, to Europe for a long time, restoring within its capabilities not only the domestic machine tool industry using high-tech equipment, CNC, but also reviving the image of the industry of the Russian Federation, the successor of the USSR.

    At the end of August last year, three metal-working machines were sent to Germany, famous for its technologies and techniques, now the anniversary complex device is sent to one of the dealers in Denmark. We can safely say that the EU has “tasted” the quality and characteristics of domestic machine tools produced by “Stankomashstroy”, which are in no way inferior to their counterparts from Europe, except for a huge price difference.

    Seven years of progress

    After the restoration of international business ties, interrupted for a time by the global pandemic, the company resumed exporting its own equipment to Germany, Hungary, Mongolia and now to Denmark.

    For eleven months of last year, Stankomashstroy manufactured 203 machines of its own design and development. Of these, 200 have been sold, leaving a few pieces of equipment awaiting shipment to customers. Not a bad efficiency for the plant, which began its revival only seven years ago, when the company decided to revive the production of its own production and development.

    In seven years, a path has passed from trial and error to a confident competitor to expensive models of Western machine tool ideas. The plant supports the Fund for the Development of Enterprises in the Scientific and Technical Environment, whose investments were directed to the purchase of new equipment, which provided the enterprise with the opportunity to start producing its own machines and develop new equipment of a domestic model.

    This suggests that the Russian machine tool industry has broad prospects. Modern machine tools are needed by the Russian Federation itself for the development of various industrial sectors. As practice has already shown, the products of the Russian machine-tool industry are also of interest abroad.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:25 am



    Chubais did leave a steaming pile of excrement while he was in the position to steer Russia's energy policy. Chubais
    introduced the worst form of "green energy" as a subsidy racket where the cost of wind and solar was 15-20 times
    more than nuclear per unit of electrical energy delivered. The whole electrical grid was burdened with intermittent
    and expensive to maintain alternative energy. In other words, privatizing the profits and socializing the costs. Like
    expected from a true 1990s shock therapy witch-doctor "reformer".

    Now the Russian government plans to dial down the insanity without just killing the deployment overnight. We will see
    how that goes and it will be a test for the Russian government. An important detail is that Russian nuclear power
    is not the grotesque nest of corruption that it is in the west. Russia does not spend $14 billion to build same GW
    scale power plants like in the west. So the actual cost of nuclear power in Russia is 15-20 times cheaper than
    the "green" options. After getting rid of nuclear power, in aggregate Germans pay 7 times more for electricity than
    Russians.





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    Post  George1 Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:10 am

    Completion of the construction of a water intake to provide water to residents of Sevastopol in Crimea

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 am



    The video covers the expansion of the trans-siberian and BAM railways in order to remove bottlenecks for exports. Coal in particular
    is a sustained export which is not going to be abandoned any time soon.

    But the video shows why Russian infrastructure mega projects are being implemented with minimal corruption losses. Putin is acting
    as the project manager. Not micro-manager, but the final boss who makes sure that the underlings follow project timelines. The
    western model (for example California) to let the holy private sector do such work at their leisure is a fail. They always find excuses
    why they can't do the job on time and on budget. While the government, which is compromised with two-faced industry shills, endlessly
    negotiates project completion with the same or different contracts, taxpayer money flows down the toilet.

    Putin is the right sort of "dictator", the final, buck stops here, project manager. No shell games between different levels of government
    and bureaucrats passing the buck around.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:37 pm

    Dunno what things are like in the land of Ontario KVS, but here in Alberta, construction companies seem to overcharge and underperforme in vast amounts

    Just come and see the highways and the building of overpasses. Takes a near decade to do and way over budget.

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:19 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Dunno what things are like in the land of Ontario KVS, but here in Alberta, construction companies seem to overcharge and underperforme in vast amounts

    Just come and see the highways and the building of overpasses.  Takes a near decade to do and way over budget.

    That sounds like Quebec with its mafia construction companies resulting in falling chunks of concrete killing people on the highway.
    Ontario is definitely better than Quebec. I have not noticed super long construction delays for highway work. But the Toronto
    subway expansion project, which was tiny compared to Moscow's project, took about three years longer than planned and was
    absurdly expensive. This is the reason it takes forever to build any subway expansions, they cost way too much. I posted
    on this in the urban development thread for those who may want to read on the details. Three years is a lot considering that
    the relative duration of the Moscow subway expansion project and the Toronto one were similar.

    Ultimately no politician, who is acting as the purchaser on behalf of the taxpayer, takes any responsibility for a project. The BS
    bidding process (three bidders who can collude) is supposed to run autonomously. So the contractors can basically do what they
    want and charge what they want. There is no Putin keeping things on track and making sure that the interests of the taxpayers
    are respected.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 am

    The US MIC has an added bonus in the sense that the Pentagon officials dishing out the contracts want to be nice to the big companies because when they retire from the military their inside knowledge of the Pentagon and the fact that the people beneath them that worked with them are likely now in charge, so those big companies give them cushy jobs as consultants being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to wine and dine the people who replaced them... their access to military secrets and secret programmes means they can allow the company to apply for jobs that officially don't even exist and even if they can't get jobs directly by influence they know who to talk to and what buttons to push to get better terms on the contracts but who wont cooperate because the people replacing them see their future... paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Boeing or Lockheed Martin to shmoose their eventual replacements having 4 hour power lunches paid by the company to get billion dollar contracts... what a way to make a living... and if you let me get these contracts then with all the bonuses I get I can retire when your retire and I can put in a good word so you get my job when you retire from the military...

    Hundreds of thousands of dollars income... perks like cars and paid lunches and holidays... and that is together with your military pension and perks that you get as well.

    The difference in the private sector is that politicians come and go... most don't care if they can't get it done on time or on budget because all the other shit they did they likely wont be in office when it all explodes in some ones face anyway.

    Your inside knowledge of government is also useful to these companies too so you could get a "Consulting Job" with some of the bigger companies if you get them really good contracts too...

    Edit: to be clear I don't like that this corruption happens in the US or Canada... I like that it is being exposed because that is the first step to dealing with it... and the US wont continue as a country if they ignore it because your weapons are simply not going to be good enough.
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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:15 am

    This is pure corruption but the US pretends that it is not.   Nahalny, the paid maggot, goes after Putin who does the right job for the Russian
    people while elevating the rotten USA and its 1990s quisling Yeltsin as paragons of virtue.

    Russians have the patience of Buddha.   Somebody should have given Nahalny the American treatment for dissidents.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:32 pm


    Sixth new solar farm went online in Buryatiya (45MW power)

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/140467/

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    New wind farm built in Stavropol (60MW power) by Rosatom subsidiary NovaWind

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/140508/

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    That's right, Rosatom is into renewables, smart move plus government cares not where energy comes from as long as it keeps coming  thumbsup  
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    Post  medo Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:33 pm



    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Russia-starts-building-lead-cooled-fast-reactor

    Russian nuclear fuel manufacturer TVEL has announced the start of construction of a 300 MW nuclear power unit enabled with the innovative BREST-OD-300 lead-cooled fast reactor at the site of the Siberian Chemical Combine, in Seversk. The reactor will run on mixed uranium-plutonium nitride (MNUP) fuel, specially developed for this facility as the "optimal solution" for fast reactors.

    TVEL said that, for the first time in history, a nuclear power plant powered by a fast reactor will be built alongside closed nuclear fuel cycle servicing enterprises on one site. It will be an integral part of the Pilot Demonstration Energy Complex (PDEC) - a cluster of three interconnected facilities, including the nuclear fuel production plant (for fabrication and re-fabrication), the BREST-OD-300 power unit, and the facility for irradiated fuel reprocessing.

    After reprocessing, the irradiated fuel from the reactor will be sent for re-fabrication, thereby giving this system the means to become "practically autonomous and independent of external resources supplies", said TVEL, which is a subsidiary of Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom. PDEC is part of of Rosatom’s Proryv, or Breakthough, project that aims to close the nuclear fuel cycle.

    "The nuclear power industry’s resource base will practically become inexhaustible thanks to the infinite reprocessing of nuclear fuel. At the same time, future generations will be spared the problem of accumulating spent nuclear fuel," Rosatom Director General Alexey Likhachov said in the TVEL statement.

    TVEL President Natalia Nikipelova added that the Breakthrough project concerns not merely the development of innovative reactors, but also the introduction of a new generation of nuclear fuel cycle technologies. Production of dense nitride MNUP fuel will ensure the efficient operation of a lead-cooled fast reactor and consist entirely of recycled nuclear materials such as plutonium and depleted uranium, she said. This means more efficient and economically attractive radiochemical technologies for the processing of irradiated fuel and waste management, she added.

    "Taken together, they will make the nuclear power of the future in fact renewable with a practically waste-free production chain," she said.

    A fuel production facility and an irradiated fuel reprocessing module are scheduled to be built by 2023 and 2024, respectively, while the BREST-OD-300 reactor is expected to start operation in 2026.

    TVEL says the BREST-OD-300 reactor will provide itself with its main energy component - plutonium-239 - by reproducing it from the isotope uranium-238.

    Quite unnoticed news, which are actually very important for the future. Russia start building its new generation nuclear reactor BREST-OD-300 near Tomsk. It work on technology of fast neutrons and use lead for medium instead of water. It is breeder reactor and work in closed fuel cycle, in other words it produce its own fuel.

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    Post  slasher Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:47 am

    Some major projects worth following:

      [1]Upgrade and expansion of Russia's railway network in the east - planned by 2024 (>$10 Billion). This will facilitate not just exporting coal, but significantly stimulate economic activity in eastern Russia and greatly increase trade route capacity from countries like China, Japan, South Korea etc. to markets in the West. It also will head off China's Belt and Road project dominating over-land cargo trade


      [2]Vostok Oil project - production to start 2025 (approx. $150 billion)


      [3]Development of Russia's petrochemicals industry. Amur Gas chemical complex recently launched (expected to reach its full capacity in 2025). Further plants being constructed at Ust-Luga, Irkutsk and of course Yamal


      [4]Further expansion and completion of LNG production plants at Arctic II, Sakhalin and Ust-Luga

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:19 am

    medo wrote:gPnLGn2efEU

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Russia-starts-building-lead-cooled-fast-reactor


    TVEL says the BREST-OD-300 reactor will provide itself with its main energy component - plutonium-239 - by reproducing it from the isotope uranium-238.

    Quite unnoticed news, which are actually very important for the future. Russia start building its new generation nuclear reactor BREST-OD-300 near Tomsk. It work on technology of fast neutrons and use lead for medium instead of water. It is breeder reactor and work in closed fuel cycle, in other words it produce its own fuel.

    The BREST-300 reactor is designed to burn stable Uranium 238 and actinides produced during the operation of the nuclear plant. So it is a step
    above the previous fast neutron breeder reactors which still left actinide waste. Compared to the nuclear "waste" of conventional reactors,
    there is no need for thousands of years of storage for the actinide waste to decay. It decays in under 300 years. The BREST-300 is designed
    to burn the actinide waste as well.

    Being able to use U-238 as fuel is spectacular. It increases the nuclear fuel supply by a factor over 50.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:12 pm



    The Belomor (White Sea) Canal is going to be upgraded.

    1) The canal was conceived in the times of Peter I during the Northern War when Russian forces had to drag a couple of frigates
    over land from the White Sea to Lake Onega. But it was a project too expensive to implement.

    2) The 1930s project initiated by Stalin was directly motivated by the prospect of a major war. This by itself debunks the whole
    Stalin did not see Nazi invasion coming drivel. For all the do-gooder self-lovers of the west, during the 1920s Norwegian and British
    vessels raided Russian territory in the north for seals and whales while being covered by their own navies. The USSR was desperate
    to establish a northern fleet to protect itself. The canal was critical for this effort.

    3) The project cost estimate for the canal was over 500 million rubles which was astronomical in 1930. The urgent timeline was the other
    major factor and the only way do accelerate the project was to throw a lot of workers at it. So the decision was made to use prison labour
    to build the canal. Of course this put money and time over human life, but that is the historical norm and remains true today. Painting it
    as unique Soviet sadism is just revisionist propaganda.

    4) Upon completion of the canal, Norway and its pals ceased with their large poaching operations in Russian territory.

    5) During WWII, the Nazis tried hard to destroy the canal with bombing raids. This demonstrates the military significance of this canal.
    Recall that a lot of lend-lease shipping went to Murmansk. Having he ability to deploy submarines and canal sized naval ships from
    the Baltic (where the were built) to the White Sea was critical.

    The canal upgrade will be part of a larger project linking is part of the Russian north to Siberia. The scale of this project is huge and it
    will not happen tomorrow. Things should be coming together during the 2030s.





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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:52 am

    The urgent timeline was the other
    major factor and the only way do accelerate the project was to throw a lot of workers at it. So the decision was made to use prison labour
    to build the canal. Of course this put money and time over human life, but that is the historical norm and remains true today. Painting it
    as unique Soviet sadism is just revisionist propaganda.

    I am sure if a western country did it it would get positive spin like it gave men who had broken societies rules a chance to redeem themselves and once more be useful for the community and society as a whole..


    The canal upgrade will be part of a larger project linking is part of the Russian north to Siberia. The scale of this project is huge and it
    will not happen tomorrow. Things should be coming together during the 2030s.

    A nice increase in the price of oil would improve things and shorten time frames rather nicely...
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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:04 am



    Comparison of the state of Ukrainian railroads to Russia. Russia has seen a massive modernization of equipment and even
    capacity of the last 20+ years. Ukraine has merely decayed. The few new GM locomotives they are getting are basically
    irrelevant and smaller than a drop in the bucket.

    One thing that strikes me is that Russian railways are superior by a lot compared to Canada and the USA. The 5th column liberasts
    in Russia take what they have for granted and assume it is always better in the west. These morons should all bugger on off to their
    mythical west and get a nice sobering dose of reality.

    In case some clown chimes in that North America is a car culture, I have been to "old" Europe and their railways are in no way
    superior to Russia in anything other than high speed rail. But high speed rail is not cheap and not common. In terms of any
    more common rail based transport, Russia is even higher. That includes both operation and quality of the rolling stock. And
    the production is not branch plant but mostly domestic.
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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:16 am

    The problem with North America is private railways. Having the railways be state owned enables massive economies of scale.
    Russia can make a state order for gazillions of locomotives and cars and because of serial production it ends up being cheap.
    Because of common design, parts inventory is simplified, as are maintenance depots.

    Railways in Europe are more expensive because you have smaller networks and each nation wants its own rail industry.
    So you have French, Spanish, German, Italian, Swiss, etc industries each is too small to achieve proper scale.

    Chinese rail industry is eating everyone else's lunch though. They are already exporting their technology worldwide.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:38 am

    Thatcher's reform of British Rail was a farce. Instead of getting some magical market improvement, it just degraded safety standards.
    And the obsession with privatization has killed off the service on "uneconomical" routes. This of course, just reduces railway use and pushes
    people into cars. The assumption that government owned enterprises are automatically inferior has fully contradicted by the RZD.
    The workers have seen an improvement of morale and the standards have increased over the last 20 years. The key is to not just
    be "state run" but be managed properly as an enterprise. At the same time, being privately run does not make an enterprise be
    great, it again depends on the approach of the owners and managers. If profit is the only concern, then the enterprise degrades.
    This nuance is lost on the idealogues of all persuasions.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:03 am

    From what I heard British Railways had lots of issues. First they severely cut the network supposedly to reduce costs. They pruned the feeder lines which resulted in the main lines becoming irrelevant to a lot of people. This was done even before Thatcher went in. Earlier they continued investing in steam engines way after their due by date and delayed investment in diesels for way too long. When they did invest in diesels, they bought so many different models the park was so Balkanized it was horrendously expensive. There was massive graft in those purchases. A lot of those diesel locomotives were just plain unreliable crap. They used concurrency where models were ordered into series production without the prototype being built first. Not to mention they switched to diesel just in time for the Oil Crisis. They were still switching to diesel when most of Europe was electrifying their networks to reduce oil imports. Then Thatcher did that idiotic privatization. If you do privatize rail industry, you never, ever should privatize the railways themselves. At best you privatize the cars and train services. The result was under investment in maintenance and upgrade of railways which led to derailment disasters. Also privatization of passenger services ended up costing the state more than if they had kept it state owned. It was just a huge smoke screen to hide the investment costs to upgrade the rolling stock.

    People keep forgetting highways are not cheap to build. The death of rail lies upon massive spend on highway construction and oil use to run automobiles with.

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    Post  Nomad5891 Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:35 pm

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    That's right, Rosatom is into renewables, smart move plus government cares not where energy comes from as long as it keeps coming  thumbsup  
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    I can hardly say this is a smart move. Germany was pioneering all this green idiocity and in the end they had to turn back on their coal power plants as this green stuff surprisingly was supplying power only when it was windy or only during the day. You can not build an industry arround such limited and unstable power supply.

    However billions of grants were absorbed by the right people.

    Happened in Spain too and basically in the whole EU. Solar was profitable as long as governments were buying the generated power on artificially high prices. Once these programs stopped most solar farms went bancrupt.
    Sad to see Russia is going the same way.

    BTW those wind generators are not home made. Rosatom feeding the Netherlands based Lagerwey company. Cool. Smart! Master 4d chess moves!

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:58 pm

    Nomad5891 wrote:
    I can hardly say this is a smart move. Germany was pioneering all this green idiocity and in the end they had to turn back on their coal power plants as this green stuff surprisingly was supplying power only when it was windy or only during the day. You can not build an industry arround such limited and unstable power supply.
    However billions of grants were absorbed by the right people.
    Happened in Spain too and basically in the whole EU. Solar was profitable as long as governments were buying the generated power on artificially high prices. Once these programs stopped most solar farms went bancrupt.
    Sad to see Russia is going the same way.
    BTW those wind generators are not home made. Rosatom feeding the Netherlands based Lagerwey company. Cool. Smart! Master 4d chess moves!

    To be honest, the general beneficence of wind parks in the EU is connected to the green certificates and emission rights only, and runs only as long, as there is someone who would buy those.
    With a system where all energy is green, the entire construction would collapse.
    The craziest thing I saw in this business back in 2007 or so, was a fact that turbine producers owned the financial institutions who could - potentially - finance the investment. This is like closing a fox in the henhouse.
    Has nothing in common with a free market and transparent business.
    I saw several projects that used to show all the financial data and production estimations only to open a discussion for possible financial participation.
    It all ended up in the turbine cost calculated to the project financial limits.
    I am not sure if the situation was similar in other EU members, but what Dutch and Dunes were doing with this business here, was just like squeezing the lemon.
    All the EU grants used to finance the entire business ended up back in the pockets of old EU members with overpriced contracts.

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    Post  Nomad5891 Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:08 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Nomad5891 wrote:
    I can hardly say this is a smart move. Germany was pioneering all this green idiocity and in the end they had to turn back on their coal power plants as this green stuff surprisingly was supplying power only when it was windy or only during the day. You can not build an industry arround such limited and unstable power supply.
    However billions of grants were absorbed by the right people.
    Happened in Spain too and basically in the whole EU. Solar was profitable as long as governments were buying the generated power on artificially high prices. Once these programs stopped most solar farms went bancrupt.
    Sad to see Russia is going the same way.
    BTW those wind generators are not home made. Rosatom feeding the Netherlands based Lagerwey company. Cool. Smart! Master 4d chess moves!

    To be honest, the general beneficence of wind parks in the EU is connected to the green certificates and emission rights only, and runs only as long, as there is someone who would buy those.
    With a system where all energy is green, the entire construction would collapse.
    The craziest thing I saw in this business back in 2007 or so, was a fact that turbine producers owned the financial institutions who could - potentially - finance the investment. This is like closing a fox in the henhouse.
    Has nothing in common with a free market and transparent business.
    I saw several projects that used to show all the financial data and production estimations only to open a discussion for possible financial participation.
    It all ended up in the turbine cost calculated to the project financial limits.
    I am not sure if the situation was similar in other EU members, but what Dutch and Dunes were doing with this business here, was just like squeezing the lemon.
    All the EU grants used to finance the entire business ended up back in the pockets of old EU members with overpriced contracts.

    I can say for sure Spain went through something simillar in arround 2005-2010 but with solar.

    I guess such move makes sense when you invest the money in your own industry. I mean you know this green wind/solar energy is bullocks but you want to create jobs and keep specialist at home, develop technologies and eventually earn cash exporting the technology to other countries later on.

    But to buy foreign tech and install it and be proud you are green...while being world class nuclear energy player...meh.

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