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    Russian Economy General News: #11

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:05 am

    Vann7 wrote:...If You ever see the conference of Jack MA ,he explained it all.
    Centralized Government kills creativity and innovation....

    Is it now?

    Then how on Earth was Jack-chan able to create such a massive company in a fully centralized dictatorship like China?

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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:26 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Government regulations, energy and agriculture is what created USA and their strong economy in the first place.

    Vann is a moron with little understanding of economics but believes he knows what he is talking about.

    Competition in US was non existent as American government stifled it through regulations and rules which only certain companies strived because of it due to bribes and snuffing out competition.

    Russia may be centralized and it's a slower growth process but it also makes it easier to control and prevent devistation. What banns suggests is the wild 90's and it destroyed Russia.

    So fuck him and his retardation.

    Russia reached a consensus in 1998 that the laissez-faire theory being foisted on it by Yeltsin and his Harvard advisors was BS.   Japan
    and South Korea never drank this koolaid and achieved remarkable development.    Ever since 1999 Russia has been on a strong rebound.
    You can see this in the state ownership of key industries (e.g. MIC) which is the right solution since "free market" BS would result
    in those industries going under.   Russia would and could not be independent and a great power if key sectors were either defunct
    or controlled by foreigners.   There is nothing "Russian" and "inefficient" about the current Russian economic policy.    There are
    problems, e.g. the CBR rate insanity, but the comprador days of Yeltsin are long over.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:59 pm

    That's the key point here. The driver in Russia hasn't been private entities for the most part. Scientific drive has been the state organizations like universities. And that also applies in USA of course too. And the major users of such tech in Russia has been Russian state run industries. Major state run industries now driving Russia's industrial and technical revolution has been the Military industries now that they are switching to civilian made products. Rosatom is Russia's largest tech developer, maker of military and civilian goods and now major driver in composite material development.

    Russia's large state run enterprises also rely on Russian designed goods especially now thanks to sanctions.
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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:That's the key point here. The driver in Russia hasn't been private entities for the most part. Scientific drive has been the state organizations like universities. And that also applies in USA of course too. And the major users of such tech in Russia has been Russian state run industries. Major state run industries now driving Russia's industrial and technical revolution has been the Military industries now that they are switching to civilian made products. Rosatom is Russia's largest tech developer, maker of military and civilian goods and now major driver in composite material development.

    Russia's large state run enterprises also rely on Russian designed goods especially now thanks to sanctions.

    Indeed, we see in the US with SpaceX what reality is all about. Not only did SpaceX leech off NASA developed tech, it can't do
    the job right. So called free market capitalism is only good for commodities and consumer trash. Big tech (including pharma) requires universities
    and government.

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    Post  Hole Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:55 pm

    Most of the western companies rely on the state. Until last year the only sector of Amazon making money was data storage working for the CIA/NSA. Boeing is only afloat because of state orders and subsidize. Just like Airbus.
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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:34 pm

    Hole wrote:Most of the western companies rely on the state. Until last year the only sector of Amazon making money was data storage working for the CIA/NSA. Boeing is only afloat because of state orders and subsidize. Just like Airbus.

    America bleats to the world about laissez-faire capitalism and free trade, but is a total hypocrite in terms of what it actually does.
    I recall when Japan's NEC vector super-computers (the SX series) totally trounced Cray (causing its original products to fail) during the 1990s,
    the US imposed import quotas forcing universities and other users of supercomputers to buy Cray's and other US companies scalar
    multi-processor machines which were, at the time, inferior junk. By the 2000s they became better, but in my opinion based on
    routine use of big iron 3D atmosphere models the hybrid vector - parallel approach would be best. Thanks to the clamping of the
    US anal sphincter in the face of competition we have been saddled with the scalar - parallel option. Canada is a US appendage
    so everything that happens in the USA gets mirrored in Canada.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:48 am

    he CBRs inflation lies have to be stopped and harshly punished. The whole CBR management should be purged since it is corrupt and does not serve Russia's interests. And we are not talking about US style Pancho Villa fiat printing operations. We are talking about the prime rate being an absurdity. It should be 2% at most since the CPI is close to 3%. wrote:

    hy does Putin keep 5 columns in the CBR?
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    Post  Austin Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:44 pm

    UPDATE 1-Russia's foreign debt shrinks to lowest since 2009 as rouble weakens

    https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-debt/update-1-russias-foreign-debt-shrinks-to-lowest-since-2009-as-rouble-weakens-idUSL5N2C12AQ

    Russia is flush with cash but preparing for the worst just in case

    https://www.intellinews.com/russia-is-flush-with-cash-but-preparing-for-the-worst-just-in-case-180950/
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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:33 pm

    Compare it to the western block where the debt is heigher then ever.
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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:18 pm

    Austin wrote:UPDATE 1-Russia's foreign debt shrinks to lowest since 2009 as rouble weakens

    https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-debt/update-1-russias-foreign-debt-shrinks-to-lowest-since-2009-as-rouble-weakens-idUSL5N2C12AQ

    Russia is flush with cash but preparing for the worst just in case

    https://www.intellinews.com/russia-is-flush-with-cash-but-preparing-for-the-worst-just-in-case-180950/

    Russia is the only country where the total debt is considered. This is pure BS. Only the sovereign foreign debt matters because it
    is typically not subject to default. Private corporate debt does not matter since if a company goes under, then there is no
    compensation to the lenders.

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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:21 pm

    Hole wrote:Compare it to the western block where the debt is heigher then ever.

    The NATzO economies are a debt Ponzi racket. Their so-called GDP growth is through the issuance of new debt and exists only
    because of an absurd accounting definition. The Covid-19 crisis has exposed just how hollow these economies really are. At the
    end of the day, the physical economy is all that matters and no amount of paper accounting can substitute for it.



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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:38 am

    Produce your own food and your own energy and your own medical supplies... things are going to get worse before they get better...
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:24 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Government regulations, energy and agriculture is what created USA and their strong economy in the first place.

    Vann is a moron with little understanding of economics but believes he knows what he is talking about.

    Competition in US was non existent as American government stifled it through regulations and rules which only certain companies strived because of it due to bribes and snuffing out competition.

    Russia may be centralized and it's a slower growth process but it also makes it easier to control and prevent devistation. What banns suggests is the wild 90's and it destroyed Russia.

    So fuck him and his retardation.


    The only retarded one here is you.. Mr. Putin ass licker..
    you guys blame everyone but Putin over anything bad with Russia progress..
    ohh is the liberals.. the 5th column.. the "traitors" , everyone is to blame but Putin..
    but all the dishonest trolls in this forum.. to many to count , that complain against the
    Russian central bank.. never said anything how it was Putin ,who put Elvira Nabiullina as head
    of Russia central bank.. it was putin also who hired kudrin as minister of finance.. all the dishonest
    hypocrites will ignore this fact.. because it doesn't help their ass kissing to putin agenda in this forum..

    In my opinion is not Elvira ,the problem.. and not kudrin.. not even traitors that  navalny the problem..
    because his influence is very low in Russia.. The problem is the mongol retarded President.. that not only is weak as hell and a polite imbecile teddy bear , that with his weakness encourage disrespect from the entire world...
    And the other problem are the dishonest trolls in this forum that defend Putin and blame everyone else..
    for Russia failure into defending its nation interest and for being so disrespected country in the world.



    Government regulations, energy and agriculture is what created USA and their strong economy in
    the first place.


    That was more than 50 years ago , piece of fool. and we are now living in different times moron..
    the strategies of the past will not work today , good luck trying to live from sugar and coffee and mining gold
    ,perhaps black african slave trading.. was another profitable business..  Laughing   for the brthat those used to be the way nations used to rule in the era of the discovery of america the continent..

    Today competition is very different , the challenges too..  anyone can sell oil and natural gas.. even
    third world nations in africa can do that.. venezuela can do that too... is only innovative nations that
    lead the world into the future and create global business ,the ones that will dominate world economy .
    show me an agriculture nation today ,that can depend on agriculture alone and have any influence in the world.
    Those economic models.. based on commodities are OUTDATED for the world we live today.. because is very different. .the needs today are very different ,than the needs 50 years ago.. today every single nation can
    do agriculture with closed eyes and without any interference of the government.. Putin invested a fortune
    in bullshit obsolete economic models.. in tourism ,in gas stations and in olympics and all of those things
    have been wiped already forever ,with the new biological war ,the world experience.. so to survive today..
    in the world we live.. nations will need to modernize its economy.. but more than anything to fight back
    at those countries hostiles to russia, seeking to destroy it
     because not showing any competition to the west
    ,is allowing western economies to continue using their business as a weapon of influence ,and pull nations into their orbit.. when the west offers a complete package of business and not extremely retarded business models ,
    focused in gas stations ,tourism and sports ,and rice production records..

    if what you claim is true today.. (which is not) ,then africa and latin america will be super powers today ,that their economies are 100% commodities based.. like cuba ,like venezuela ,like most of africa and latin america.
    . just like Russia.  So Russia economy model is outdated , and the only thing that differentiate Russia from third world nations is their military industry and their nuclear energy business and nuclear weapons aside of its very limited taxi service to the ISS.   Russia economic model ,is more closer to third world nations in africa and latin america.. that to modern economies today.

    We Russia face an undeclared war ,from the west.. it can't ignore the west intentions by just focusing in agriculture or  tourism.. pretending that there is no war..  who wants now to accept tourism ,in this corona virus
    era ? and this is not going to end any time soon.. if this was a biological attack as china hinted..and next time it could be something else.. So business in Russia will need to be adapted to the new realities ,that the world face..
    and more than anything to counter enemy nations economy ,if it wants to have a chance ,to stop western
    hostilities on their nation economy.. Any economic model in Russia ,that don't challenge western business
    leadership and its system today is doomed to fail.. is allowing Russia adversaries to continue its attacks ,and
    destroying world.  Russia agriculture should be for domestic use and storage , the authors of covid-19 ,are planning a world wide attack on agriculture world wide.. perhaps with biological new species of insects.. they
    developing... so it will be a must for russia to start storing food for the next decade , because plans exist
    to attack world food supply too.

    @GARRYB
    And there is no "Advantage to take" if the business you promote ,can be easily sanctioned and neutralized by US.
    or if it is not a profitable business anymore and the energy industry is not.. because the west attack the prices
    of oil and natural gas.. outdated business models , are very easy to sanction and isolate from the world.. for
    the west .
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    Post  Tingsay Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:08 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    The only retarded one here is you.. Mr. Putin ass licker..
    you guys blame everyone but Putin over anything bad with Russia progress..
    ohh is the liberals.. the 5th column.. the "traitors" , everyone is to blame but Putin..
    but all the dishonest trolls in this forum.. to many to count , that complain against the
    Russian central bank.. never said anything how it was Putin ,who put Elvira Nabiullina as head
    of Russia central bank.. it was putin also who hired kudrin as minister of finance.. all the dishonest
    hypocrites will ignore this fact.. because it doesn't help their ass kissing to putin agenda in this forum..

    In my opinion is not Elvira ,the problem.. and not kudrin.. not even traitors that  navalny the problem..
    because his influence is very low in Russia.. The problem is the mongol retarded President.. that not only is weak as hell and a polite imbecile teddy bear , that with his weakness encourage disrespect from the entire world...
    And the other problem are the dishonest trolls in this forum that defend Putin and blame everyone else..
    for Russia failure into defending its nation interest and for being so disrespected country in the world.
     


    All of your walls of retarded text each and everyday on this forum and you still havent answered a simple question.


    The "chosen ones", the Russians, who are meant to beat the US EviL EmpIreZ, keeps voting for teddy bear polite dumb ass Putin!
    lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    So make up your mind Vann, are Russians the chosen ones? or should you move to a Chinese forum instead cos China is creating BizniZ to bring down the EmpireZ? Cos Im pretty sure the "Chosen Ones" should be picking a different leader, a leader with TroOOO LEaderShipZ!
    lol1 lol1
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:51 pm

    And there is no "Advantage to take" if the business you promote ,can be easily sanctioned and neutralized by US.
    or if it is not a profitable business anymore and the energy industry is not.. because the west attack the prices
    of oil and natural gas.. outdated business models , are very easy to sanction and isolate from the world.. for
    the west .

    The more the US uses sanctions the more countries will turn away from doing business... especially when the value of the US dollar becomes more realistic and countries stop accepting it for the confette toilet paper that it is.

    For countries that do a lot of trade with the US... might find that the US can't supply what they normally supply because what they supply requires components or actually comes from Europe or China... if the US can't supply products then how does threats from them to withhold business seem scary?

    If you want hospital supplies from the US.... they are made by 3M in China... if the US is using all the medical products it produces for the world market then the world market needs to look elsewhere... and when it comes to medical supplies do you think they will choose to do without?

    The uptodate western business models look totally corrupt... counting loans to pay debt as income... instead of what it is... more debt...

    In my opinion is not Elvira ,the problem.. and not kudrin.. not even traitors that navalny the problem..
    because his influence is very low in Russia..

    And why do you think their infleunce is low in Russia? Come on... you might get it... The person with real influence in Russia is Putin but you never ever give him any credit. The west is constantly acting against Russia and Putin and you blame him for that... there is no hope for you...

    Your definition of Russia not being respected is based on your observations of western media... do you not think those western media are not the best source of information on the topic considering their history.

    All that matters is Russian voters and they seem to think Putin is doing about as good a job as he possibly could... which is all he can do really...
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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:37 pm

    There were Leaders from all african countries at the summit in Russia, half of them were missing as Brussels held a similar meeting. So much for respect.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    And there is no "Advantage to take" if the business you promote ,can be easily sanctioned and neutralized by US.
    or if it is not a profitable business anymore and the energy industry is not.. because the west attack the prices
    of oil and natural gas.. outdated business models , are very easy to sanction and isolate from the world.. for
    the west .

    The more the US uses sanctions the more countries will turn away from doing business... especially when the value of the US dollar becomes more realistic and countries stop accepting it for the confette toilet paper that it is.

    For countries that do a lot of trade with the US... might find that the US can't supply what they normally supply because what they supply requires components or actually comes from Europe or China... if the US can't supply products then how does threats from them to withhold business seem scary?

    If you want hospital supplies from the US.... they are made by 3M in China... if the US is using all the medical products it produces for the world market then the world market needs to look elsewhere... and when it comes to medical supplies do you think they will choose to do without?

    The uptodate western business models look totally corrupt... counting loans to pay debt as income... instead of what it is... more debt...

    In my opinion is not Elvira ,the problem.. and not kudrin.. not even traitors that  navalny the problem..
    because his influence is very low in Russia..

    And why do you think their infleunce is low in Russia?  Come on... you might get it... The person with real influence in Russia is Putin but you never ever give him any credit. The west is constantly acting against Russia and Putin and you blame him for that... there is no hope for you...

    Your definition of Russia not being respected is based on your observations of western media... do you not think those western media are not the best source of information on the topic considering their history.

    All that matters is Russian voters and they seem to think Putin is doing about as good a job as he possibly could... which is all he can do really...



    The more the US uses sanctions the more countries will turn away from doing business...
    especially when the value of the US dollar becomes more realistic and countries stop accepting
    it for the confette toilet paper that it is.

    and which nations will form in line to stop using the American internet ? to stop using american
    technology ? american computers? american software ? are you going to turn away too? and quit using
    american internet so finally no longer comes to this forums to post non sense and seek refuge
    in cave forever?   and about american paper toilet dollars... they are moving to remove that paper
    for online credit.. so what are you going to do troll ? will you stop using your visa and mastercard
    and turn away from the american system ? and produce with your hands everything you need?  Laughing
    like i told you a millions of times , is not the dollar ,what give americans their power.. but their business
    leadership it is what it does..  the dollar helps them to inflate their economy more than it really is ,but they can
    switch to any other currency and people will still be supporting it.. because if you want to do business
    with american products.. and their allies.. tech giants that they control..in the entire world , then you need to support  which ever system of payment they use.. if you want progress and technology ,you need to support
    which ever toilet paper or digital currency US  demand you to use.. and china  will also support ,since they are not yet ready to replace the western system.. but in next 10 to 20 more years.. they might be.


    If you want hospital supplies from the US.... they are made by 3M in China... if the US is using all the medical products it produces for the world
    market then the world market needs to look elsewhere... and when it comes to medical supplies do you think they will choose to do without?

    so don't understand your point.. 3M is an american multinational.. and China economy depends heavily in doing business with americans and continue supporting their dollars now and in the next decade at least... in other words.. you have no point.. just meaningless arguments.


    The uptodate western business models look totally corrupt... counting loans to pay debt as income... instead of what it is... more debt...

    so it means you will not accept ever dollars if given to you and neither will buy anything produced by americans
    not even their internet and banking system? because is corrupt right? Laughing  


    And why do you think their infleunce is low in Russia?  Come on... you might get it...

    his influence is very low.. because he is a cia troll.. thats it..and everyone can see ,he is an impostor
    a puppet of the west.. his influence is not low , because of putin , navalny is like guaido in venezuela.. they alone discredit themselves without putin doing nothing..


    The person with real influence in Russia is Putin but you never ever give him any credit.

    Russia needs a lot more than patriotism ,to succeed.. being patriotic is not enough ..
    to have a real strategy a real vision to success to defend their nation interest is also important..
    doing nothing like putin does .other than wait for a "better government" comes to power is not a strategy
    but pure idiocy. So credit for what? for wasting the time of millions , whats good about the rescue
    economy and military and save a lot of gold. if later will see all that gone , without a fight ,just drained
    down the toilet.. in a purely defensive stance ?  becoming a punching bag of someone else is not an strategy.


    The west is constantly acting against Russia and Putin and you blame him for that..
    . there is no hope for you...  

    yes i blame putin. because he encourage it..

    if a wife is beaten one or few times by his husband.. blame is on the husband..
    if the wife is beaten for years by same husband.. the blame should be on the wife.. why she don't
    take him to police? why she continues with him ???  confused    people that are abused again and again
    and again by same bully.. when they have so many options to fight back and do nothing.. then is the victim
    the one to blame for doing nothing..  the west is at war with putin for 20 years !!!!!!  how much long
    the weak president needs to wait for start fighting back or go its own way with another system?
    Putin welcomes tourism from hostile countries and embassies diplomats allowed to freely move in their
    country and recruit opposition.. so who is to blame for this.. if Putin allows nations to attack Russia and get
    away with it?  Putin weakness and insecurity encourage his enemies to be more hostile to Russia and kill
    russian soldiers too.. and attack his own mother land.. now not only russian bases are attacked
    with the help of drones that US provides to terrorist groups , but now something totally more hostile
    is happening , Russia now face a biological war.. Shocked and being polite with the west will not make
    the hostilities to ends.. if putin don't fight back with his army or with business ,to target western military
    or western business , then he encourage the west to continue attacking russia , they see weakness
    and this motivates them.. lets hit Russia harder ,putin is weak ,they will rightly say and he will do nothing.
    wanna guess how covid-19 bioweapon manage to enter in crimea? for what i read.. was thanks to Putin
    "glorious vision" of raising the economy through unsustainable short term ways , like tourism , thanks to
    foreigners tourism... Laughing One by one all putin stragies to raise Russia economy turned to be a disaster..
    check mate by the west with a virus.. good luck for putin's olympic dreams and boosting russia economy
    by promoting the russian past.. museums and all that.. such a monumental waste of money ,throw the toilet.
    those football stadiums should betters as temporary hospitals.. by the incoming wave of bio warfare that
    likely awaits his country..


    this is why i have said a million times ,you can't develop a nation economy when is facing a major
    war undeclared as if there was no war happening , with open borders and tourism and sports events
    as if all was great.. if we lived in an ideal world ,that there was no war.. then any business will work..
    just being a gas station will be enough , but when Russia face sabotage all the time , non stop ,it needs
    to be far more smarter the way it develops its economy ,in a way that directly competes with the western
    business that they use more to influence the world to their orbit. so to reduce the western world influence
    and their leadership , and no longer their business be needed at all ,if there is a superior alternative.
    is true independence the only way to grow for Russia. as long Russia continues following the western
    world it will continue being its interest disrespected again and again ,and its nation attacked.

    Russia (and china too) is facing an undeclared war ..and you can't build an economy as putin is doing
    pretending everything is great and there is not a war happening against them.. because there it is..  
    now china blocks foreigners from entry in the country.. they understand how far their enemies will go..
    will putin learn something now and realize russia face a real war? or he will continue hoping the west
    come back to its senses.. Rolling Eyes trying politeness and requesting for restoring of relations ,have not
    worked for putin in the past 20 years.. now they trying bio warfare.. and are so arrogant to brag about
    their attacks (bill gates) before they do it.. telling how their enemies (Russia and china) will be destroyed..
    if we looks at their simulations , then is a 1)biological warfare first 2) war on water and food ,perhaps using plagues and genetically modified insects that will destroy putin's dreams of a banana agriculture economy. 3) war of the electronics and internet , they planing to disconnect russia from internet and possible hack
    russian banks and steal a lot of money.. this is what will happen for depending on their western banking system.
    as long Russia depends on anything the west ,controls.. they will use that weakness of Russia ,lack of competition and lack of business leadership to their advantage.. there is no second place for russia.. in
    the western system.. either Russia developers with china a new system or it will become destroyed.



    Your definition of Russia not being respected is based on your observations of western media...

    lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1
     now this is pure comedy .. for real...  Laughing
     So you didn't saw the western sanctions on russia? those not real ? you didn't saw US attacks on syria ?
     US attacks on venezuela ?  US attacks on Russian economy ,on russian business ? you didn't saw how
     the west provide weapons to terrorist to kill russian soldiers? to attack russian base?   Shocked
     you didn't saw how russians are arrested world wide , in extra judicial ways to spit on russia?
     you didn't saw how US in russian face ,destabilize ukraine ,against russia interest and get a hostile
    government in power ,that literary bombs russia across border and bombs every day ethnic russians ,close to
    russian borders?  you didn't saw how US help terrorism in russia?  

    if that is not a disrespect on Russia... then im the queen of england and have a castle to sell you.  lol1

    omg.. you are truly disconnected person from reality.. if that is not a disrespect.. a clear attack
    on Russia national existence and russian economy and russia security.. then no idea what will
    are your definition of respect.. because every attack of the west on Russia interest is the maximum
    expression of disrespect. possible of all..

    US is a super business power.. a business empire system.. and any nation who wants to trade
    with US ,and with their controlled colonies.. like japan, south korea ,taiwan , britain ,canada,australia
    ,and major allies like israel.. will need to play by their rules..  they also influence the european union far more
    than russia could even dream to do ..so also those business can be locked to Russia.. unless is something
    too important for europe to support ,like energy business..So good luck with that "losing influence"
    claims.. american civilian business are not losing influence from russia..  from china they are.. but not
    from russia and this is the problem.. US gov america first policy is losing influence a bit..but not american business. and putin does nothing to challenge the western system and china is alone fighting back and creating alternatives to the western business world. so to bypass their hegemony and system of control.

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    There were Leaders from all african countries at the summit in Russia, half of them were missing as Brussels held a similar meeting. So much for respect.

    The same would happen with a summit in Russia for central and south american countries... many could not show their faces in Russia no matter how much they privately wanted to, or their people wanted them to... their colonial masters often don't give them a choice... the west control a lot of commerce in the third world and have a lot of money and power, which means lots of strings to pull and of course they are going to pull those strings so those countries can't talk to countries like Russia who can offer a much better more fair deal where not only the owners of these companies make money but those third world countries make money too and grow and develop... something the west is careful to prevent and stifle... I mean it is what they are trying to do to Russia and China and South Africa and Iran and Vietnam and North Korea and Cuba and Venezuela and Bolivia etc etc etc...

    That is the point of the summit... this time a lot of countries will try the alternative to the only game in town (ie the european west). Some might get burned but there will be enough contact and trade that will benefit both sides and lead to development and growth and it will only increase and when their neighbours who went to Brussels see the changes in those countries they might start demanding more from the west...
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:19 am

    in just one minute and half ,  jack ma.. destroy the dumb thinkers in this forum..
    about how a modern economy should be and why..  Laughing



    so unfair .why Russia doesn't have someone like jack ma ,to educate the morons
    at the kremlin Running the Russian economy..specially their outdated president. he correctly
    says. that in the same way that electricity shaped the world economy in the past century..
    than in the same way the internet will shape the world economy in the next century...
    how lucky the chinese to have a governent with vision of the future.. and how sad is the future
    of Russia with the outdated president putin.. in power ,that waste the real potential of russia in
    backwards economic models ,instead of modern ones.

    For sure china will understand ,that also developing a new internet will be critical , to bypass the
    western abuse of their system. and internet..


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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:27 am

    GarryB wrote:
    There were Leaders from all african countries at the summit in Russia, half of them were missing as Brussels held a similar meeting. So much for respect.

    The same would happen with a summit in Russia for central and south american countries... many could not show their faces in Russia no matter how much they privately wanted to, or their people wanted them to... their colonial masters often don't give them a choice... the west control a lot of commerce in the third world and have a lot of money and power, which means lots of strings to pull and of course they are going to pull those strings so those countries can't talk to countries like Russia who can offer a much better more fair deal where not only the owners of these companies make money but those third world countries make money too and grow and develop... something the west is careful to prevent and stifle... I mean it is what they are trying to do to Russia and China and South Africa and Iran and Vietnam and North Korea and Cuba and Venezuela and Bolivia etc etc etc...

    That is the point of the summit... this time a lot of countries will try the alternative to the only game in town (ie the european west). Some might get burned but there will be enough contact and trade that will benefit both sides and lead to development and growth and it will only increase and when their neighbours who went to Brussels see the changes in those countries they might start demanding more from the west...

    Lets not forget that majority of the French colonies in Africa still pay taxes to France. Well, more like extortion money but still.
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    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/131926/#cut

    The Federal budget of Russia in the I-th block was executed with a surplus of 0.05% of GDP

    April 10. FINMARKET.RU — the Surplus of the Federal budget of the Russian Federation in January-March 2020 was executed with a surplus 12,408 billion, or 0.05% of GDP, said the Finance Ministry's preliminary estimates of budget execution.

    In January-February, the Russian budget was executed with a deficit of 1.7% of the GDP, in January to 2% of GDP. Budget revenues in the first quarter was 4 trillion 730,35 billion, or 23% of the total approved amount of income. While oil and gas revenues were at the level of 1 trillion 787,9 billion (24%), non-oil and gas — 2 trillion 942,4 billion (22.5 per cent).

    Expenditures in January-March amounted to 4 trillion 717,95 billion, or 24% of the total amount of approved expenditures for this year. The primary surplus amounted in this period of 0.7% of GDP. The balance of sources internal and external financing of the deficit amounted to 32,741 billion and (-) 45,148 billion respectively.

    The Federal tax service to administer the revenues of 3 trillion 153,2 billion, or 24% of the forecast indices for the year, the Federal customs service — 1 trln 188,14 billion (21.7 per cent), other Federal bodies, at 389 billion (19.9 per cent).

    Spending on social policy in January-March amounted to 1 trillion 419 billion (27.4% of plan for year), national defense — 917,76 billion (27.6 per cent), national security — 446,5 billion (18%), on the national economy — 361,15 billion (12.4 per cent), utilities to 92.4 billion rubles (30%), national issues — 312,02 billion (18%), education 201,4 bln (20%), and health — 386,12 billion (34%).

    The cost of servicing the public debt amounted in 171,43 billion (19%). Inter-budget transfers was carried out in the amount of 269 billion (19.1 per cent).
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    Post  Tingsay Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:27 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    so unfair .why Russia doesn't have someone like jack ma ,to educate the morons
    at the kremlin Running the Russian economy..specially their outdated president. he correctly
    says. that in the same way that electricity shaped the world economy in the past century..
    than in the same way the internet will shape the world economy in the next century...
    how lucky the chinese to have a governent with vision of the future.. and how sad is the future
    of Russia with the outdated president putin.. in power ,that waste the real potential of russia in
    backwards economic models ,instead of modern ones.

    For sure china will understand ,that also developing a new internet will be critical , to bypass the
    western abuse of their system. and internet..


    .

    Again:

    Why do Russians vote for the morons in Kremlin then? Why are super ultra intelligent 4th dimensional thinking citizens destined to fight the American empire keep voting for dumb morons like Putin and his cohorts??

    Something doesn't add up! Super intelligent people being fooled by idiots? Can you please explain?



    As for the mods, make a separate forum titled "Putin the outdated dinosaur moron" and move all of Vann's post there. I can talk to him there Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
    Mods you not doing your job! This is off topic!


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    Post  Vann7 Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:05 am

    Tingsay wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    so unfair .why Russia doesn't have someone like jack ma ,to educate the morons
    at the kremlin Running the Russian economy..specially their outdated president. he correctly
    says. that in the same way that electricity shaped the world economy in the past century..
    than in the same way the internet will shape the world economy in the next century...
    how lucky the chinese to have a governent with vision of the future.. and how sad is the future
    of Russia with the outdated president putin.. in power ,that waste the real potential of russia in
    backwards economic models ,instead of modern ones.

    For sure china will understand ,that also developing a new internet will be critical , to bypass the
    western abuse of their system. and internet..


    .

    Again:

    Why do Russians vote for the morons in Kremlin then? Why are super ultra intelligent 4th dimensional thinking citizens destined to fight the American empire keep voting for dumb morons like Putin and his cohorts??

    Something doesn't add up! Super intelligent people being fooled by idiots? Can you please explain?



    easy answer.. is called POPULISM ..

    When you run the country with populism policies , of giving away free money to people , free social aid,
    when Putin raise pensions  and and increase benefits to score major points with population , this is what
    helps putin populatiry..  hitler was a populatist leader too..

    So don't confuse popularity with wisdom and intelligence.
    any idiot can be popular , by giving away the money of the nation in charity and populism..
    but his popularity did not transfer into a wise development of their nation.. now Russia investment
    in the past 10 years..many billions dollars.. is going down the toilet.. because tourism is not going back anymore
    and neither the oil industry will return to become a profitable thing any time soon. now oil value is zero .. lol1
    and while it will not last forever at that price.. it shows that Putin bet on gas station economy was a total mistake.. it will be surprising if the energy industry will ever recover again.. all that the west needs to keep
    oil prices down ,is with their media ,claiming a new virus wave ,forming in Russia. and the fear factor will do the rest.

    Politicians that give away money ,for voting support ,have no place to any developed society.
    putin was trying to influence the world and its people with charity and gas discounts..  No

    in more news.. Ukraine is now breaking records in selling wheat.. exactly the same business that the
    government of Russia thanks to Putin invested heavily to diversity and "improve" Russia economy.  Laughing
    If Putin invest in energy , the west will collapse energy prices.. if putin invest in bananas.. the west will saturate
    the market with bananas and at a cheaper prices than Russia.. if putin decide to invest heavily in sports and olympics.. then the west bans Russia from the olympics.. lol1   if putin invest in tourism.. the west finance terrorism attacks on tourist zones and now bioweapons..   if putin invest in space ,then the west what they can do? mmmmmm. There are business ,that require real skills.. not for lazy dumb people. business that you can't just throw money and expect to become competitive overnight.. this is the kind of business Putin need to invest.. not only the ones ,that are difficult to counter ,and need a lot more than money , need a lot more skills.. than the ones the west have at the present.. but also invest in business that directly counters the western most influential bussiness. so to pay back the favor.. because they target russian business..to reduce their profits.. it should be also fair that russia target western  back. this is what is called.. fight your enemies with their same tactics.  Cool

    . take a look at this.. US economic war on russia in action..

    Ukraine weekly wheat exports jump 47% despite government warning


    Most of Ukraine’s grain exports have headed for Egypt, Turkey and Spain this season.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-grains-ukraine-wheat-export-idUSKBN2210G8

    the above link.. is exactly the kind of news i was expecting to happen ,when the "master chess"
    president took the decision in 2014 to invest in agriculture.  No  and reduce the budget in half
    of russia space industry and reduce its military industry too..
    the same countries Russia was selling wheat ,now thanks to US investment to boost the competitiveness
    of ukraine agriculture vs russia.. they now selling wheat to the same nations ,that were major clients of russia. lol1

    This are small things ,that people usually don't notices.. of the major blackholes on the Putin's Russia economy.
    He is trying to boost the economy ,by investing in markets very saturated with competition.. Rolling Eyes
    things that even third world nations can do like produce food.. and sells oil.. even isis ,in syria was exporting
    oil..  Laughing  so a business model that requires zero intelligence ,zero skills.. is not the way Russia will earn respect they want from the world and be taken seriously its interest.. but not everyone produce innovative high tech ,that significantly improve the performance and modernization of a nation .not everyone can send humans to other planets and return..not everyone can offer space tourism..not every nation can build an internet global network.. Wasting the russian budget in populism , in sports development and tourism , things that are purely
    cosmetic or that are very saturated in the world and everyone produce ,in times Russia face a cold war was not a good idea.

    So in case you missed the message..
    US is targeting every single area of the Russian economy they can.. counter.. in other words
    95% of Russian business. in other to weaken russian economy.. So whatever shit putin decide to export in food , US will promote in the border nations and will even subsidy their business ,all for destroying slowing down russia..economy ,it will be worth of any investment in their eyes if weaken russia.

    The only business US cant counter so easily are those that require skills they don't have yet ,
    but in the future they will since working on it.. business that throwing money at them is not enough,
    and major scientific talent need . This is why americans can't counter chinese 5G they have nothing to counter
    that in near future. thumbsup  and why they neither can counter huawei smart phones.. they have developed
    technology apple will not have any time soon..   so the moral of the story , is , if Russia wants to have success.
    if need to remove the lazy President from moscow..and put in power a leader with vision ,that is not afraid
    to compete with the top business of US as china is doing. Only way Russia will earn respect , is  with innovation
    with leadership in business ,that surpass what the west can do... or that simply the west have nothing to compete.

    Almost every business that putin invested a fortune since 2010 have been check mate
    by US with an alternative.  lol1  so  why Russia don't do the same ,and targets western business ?
    To see trump ignored ,when demanding the world to stop buying chinese techology ,was
    epic-stacular to see , the major difference having leadership in high tech innovative business can make
    over US allies.. ,how it encourage them ,to revolt and disobey  ,their masters.  Laughing
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    Post  Tingsay Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:27 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Tingsay wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    so unfair .why Russia doesn't have someone like jack ma ,to educate the morons
    at the kremlin Running the Russian economy..specially their outdated president. he correctly
    says. that in the same way that electricity shaped the world economy in the past century..
    than in the same way the internet will shape the world economy in the next century...
    how lucky the chinese to have a governent with vision of the future.. and how sad is the future
    of Russia with the outdated president putin.. in power ,that waste the real potential of russia in
    backwards economic models ,instead of modern ones.

    For sure china will understand ,that also developing a new internet will be critical , to bypass the
    western abuse of their system. and internet..


    .

    Again:

    Why do Russians vote for the morons in Kremlin then? Why are super ultra intelligent 4th dimensional thinking citizens destined to fight the American empire keep voting for dumb morons like Putin and his cohorts??

    Something doesn't add up! Super intelligent people being fooled by idiots? Can you please explain?



    easy answer.. is called POPULISM ..

    When you run the country with populism policies , of giving away free money to people , free social aid,
    when Putin raise pensions  and and increase benefits to score major points with population , this is what
    helps putin populatiry..  hitler was a populatist leader too..

    So don't confuse popularity with wisdom and intelligence.
    any idiot can be popular , by giving away the money of the nation in charity and populism..
    but his popularity did not transfer into a wise development of their nation.. now Russia investment
    in the past 10 years..many billions dollars.. is going down the toilet.. because tourism is not going back anymore
    and neither the oil industry will return to become a profitable thing any time soon. now oil value is zero .. lol1
    and while it will not last forever at that price.. it shows that Putin bet on gas station economy was a total mistake.. it will be surprising if the energy industry will ever recover again.. all that the west needs to keep
    oil prices down ,is with their media ,claiming a new virus wave ,forming in Russia. and the fear factor will do the rest.

    Politicians that give away money ,for voting support ,have no place to any developed society.
    putin was trying to influence the world and its people with charity and gas discounts..  No

    in more news.. Ukraine is now breaking records in selling wheat.. exactly the same business that the
    government of Russia thanks to Putin invested heavily to diversity and "improve" Russia economy.  Laughing
    If Putin invest in energy , the west will collapse energy prices.. if putin invest in bananas.. the west will saturate
    the market with bananas and at a cheaper prices than Russia.. if putin decide to invest heavily in sports and olympics.. then the west bans Russia from the olympics.. lol1   if putin invest in tourism.. the west finance terrorism attacks on tourist zones and now bioweapons..   if putin invest in space ,then the west what they can do? mmmmmm. There are business ,that require real skills.. not for lazy dumb people. business that you can't just throw money and expect to become competitive overnight.. this is the kind of business Putin need to invest.. not only the ones ,that are difficult to counter ,and need a lot more than money , need a lot more skills.. than the ones the west have at the present.. but also invest in business that directly counters the western most influential bussiness. so to pay back the favor.. because they target russian business..to reduce their profits.. it should be also fair that russia target western  back. this is what is called.. fight your enemies with their same tactics.  Cool

    . take a look at this.. US economic war on russia in action..

    Ukraine weekly wheat exports jump 47% despite government warning


    Most of Ukraine’s grain exports have headed for Egypt, Turkey and Spain this season.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-grains-ukraine-wheat-export-idUSKBN2210G8

    the above link.. is exactly the kind of news i was expecting to happen ,when the "master chess"
    president took the decision in 2014 to invest in agriculture.  No  and reduce the budget in half
    of russia space industry and reduce its military industry too..
    the same countries Russia was selling wheat ,now thanks to US investment to boost the competitiveness
    of ukraine agriculture vs russia.. they now selling wheat to the same nations ,that were major clients of russia. lol1

    This are small things ,that people usually don't notices.. of the major blackholes on the Putin's Russia economy.
    He is trying to boost the economy ,by investing in markets very saturated with competition.. Rolling Eyes
    things that even third world nations can do like produce food.. and sells oil.. even isis ,in syria was exporting
    oil..  Laughing  so a business model that requires zero intelligence ,zero skills.. is not the way Russia will earn respect they want from the world and be taken seriously its interest.. but not everyone produce innovative high tech ,that significantly improve the performance and modernization of a nation .not everyone can send humans to other planets and return..not everyone can offer space tourism..not every nation can build an internet global network.. Wasting the russian budget in populism , in sports development and tourism , things that are purely
    cosmetic or that are very saturated in the world and everyone produce ,in times Russia face a cold war was not a good idea.

    So in case you missed the message..
    US is targeting every single area of the Russian economy they can.. counter.. in other words
    95% of Russian business. in other to weaken russian economy.. So whatever shit putin decide to export in food , US will promote in the border nations and will even subsidy their business ,all for destroying slowing down russia..economy ,it will be worth of any investment in their eyes if weaken russia.

    The only business US cant counter so easily are those that require skills they don't have yet ,
    but in the future they will since working on it.. business that throwing money at them is not enough,
    and major scientific talent need . This is why americans can't counter chinese 5G they have nothing to counter
    that in near future. thumbsup  and why they neither can counter huawei smart phones.. they have developed
    technology apple will not have any time soon..   so the moral of the story , is , if Russia wants to have success.
    if need to remove the lazy President from moscow..and put in power a leader with vision ,that is not afraid
    to compete with the top business of US as china is doing. Only way Russia will earn respect , is  with innovation
    with leadership in business ,that surpass what the west can do... or that simply the west have nothing to compete.

    Almost every business that putin invested a fortune since 2010 have been check mate
    by US with an alternative.  lol1  so  why Russia don't do the same ,and targets western business ?
    To see trump ignored ,when demanding the world to stop buying chinese techology ,was
    epic-stacular to see , the major difference having leadership in high tech innovative business can make
    over US allies.. ,how it encourage them ,to revolt and disobey  ,their masters.  Laughing

    LOL! Another wall of text that side steps the question.

    Why are you so obsessed with Putin? You actually turned a legitimate question into another angle that is Putin-centric. I wasn't asking the question from a Putin/Leader angle.

    I was simply trying to balance the blame game. Since you are so heavily skewed towards leadership, you will never be right. What about the other side? Why couldn't the Russians build there own Uber or Facebook before the Americans did? No Governement LeaderShipZ built those.  lol1  
    Obama's "LeaderShipZ" built Amazon, Uber and Facebook and Game of Thrones?  LMAO You are delusional!  lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

    Also, why do you assume everybody here sees Putin as a 10/10 leader. Literally not a single one in this forums sees Putin that way. I think he's a 7-8/10 president all in all.

    Also,
    If Africa created their own BizniZ and Techz, they wouldn't have to rely on the West.
    If Latin America created their own BizniZ and techz, they wouldn't have to rely on the West.
    If India created their own BizniZ and techz, they wouldn't have to rely on the West.
    And so on and so fort...

    I mean Jeezus christ there's 1 billion Indians! 1 billion Africans! 1 billion Chinese! But it's up to 140 million Super intelligent 4th Dimensional thinking Chosen ones (that chooses a Moron Leadershipz) the Russians that are destined to bring down the Empire! LMAO

    There is no "Western Empire" to bring Down! There is only yourself to bring up!

    Russia just like the rest should only be judge with doing what they can with what they have.

    So nice try, Vann. But I ask the question again,
    Why are super ultra intelligent 4th dimensional thinking citizens destined to fight the American empire keep voting for dumb morons like Putin and his cohorts?

    Do not side step the question, the answer should be approached from an angle that involves the Russian people more. Not from the angle of the Leader(according to you, the Moron) outsmarting the smart People, but from an angle of the smart People supposedly getting outsmarted.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:19 am

    When you raise pensions you put more money cash into your economy, and when they die their children might inherit something instead of debt for treatment...

    When the Chinese vote Ma as leader even then Russia has no reason to listen.


    As for the mods, make a separate forum titled "Putin the outdated dinosaur moron" and move all of Vann's post there. I can talk to him there Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
    Mods you not doing your job! This is off topic!

    He is talking his usual rubbish, but this is the economy thread and that is what he is talking about... loosely....  so this is where it belongs.

    The Russian economy is fine... huge growth rates year on year would suggest an unsustainable bubble... and bubbles burst so it is a good thing that in current difficult times their economy is actually in positive growth.

    When times get better growth should improve as well, which means more sanctions and counter actions by Russia to cope, but I have confidence the west will continue its decline and continue shooting itself in the foot by attacking China and Russia and making them enemies of the west.

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