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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 am

    Hey KVS, some Russian commie wannabe is claiming on twitter that Russia's economy is 70% raw material.

    I wanna destroy him. Please help
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:53 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Hey KVS, some Russian commie wannabe is claiming on twitter that Russia's economy is 70% raw material.

    I wanna destroy him. Please help

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/271378/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-russia/

    Russia's GDP consists of 54% services, 32% industry, 3% agriculture and 11% everything else which would include raw material
    (minerals, oil, gas and unprocessed timber).

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120615/emerging-markets-analyzing-russias-gdp.asp

    Note that Russia's service sector is that of a developed economy and not that of a banana republic like the clown you
    cite is claiming. I know that 3rd world countries like Afghanistan supposedly have service sectors this big. That is total nonsense
    since they do not have the banking and internal trade turnover for this. The CIA estimates giving such BS numbers are likely
    including a large part of the trade as "services". Russia is not given such generous breaks in various estimates.


    https://www.indexmundi.com/russia/gdp_composition_by_sector.html

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PETR.RT.ZS

    The oil resource rent of Russia is 6.4% of GDP. Ignore all the Google hits which claim a figure higher than this. They are all propaganda
    pushing the narrative that Russia is a gas station posing as an economy.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:27 am

    A new one for you.

    A Russian I am speaking with states that 1/3 of GDP is reliant on exports. I told him that's nonsense.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:44 am

    miketheterrible wrote:A new one for you.

    A Russian I am speaking with states that 1/3 of GDP is reliant on exports.  I told him that's nonsense.  

    And what is his point?

    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/exports-of-goods-and-services-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html

    Exports in 2018 were about 31% of GDP which is the same as Canada.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/imports-of-goods-and-services-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.IMP.GNFS.ZS

    Russian imports in 2018 were about 21% of GDP. So Russian has a trade surplus of 10% of GDP. By contrast
    Canada imported 34% of its GDP which means it has a 3% trade deficit. Canada exports a lot of oil and gas
    too, but clearly is closer to a banana republic than Russia. Recall that banana republics are dependent on
    imports because they do not have the domestic production capacity and ability.



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    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:54 am

    Lukoil's investments in ten years may exceed $ 100 billion

    https://rns.online/energy/Investitsii-Lukoila-za-desyat-let-mogut-previsit-100-mlrd-2020-01-28/
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:06 pm

    Regarding Russian export "dependence". That is part of the whole "gas station posing as a country" narrative. Of course the
    clowns pushing this narrative can't get their numbers straight. So one day oil and gas account for 50% of Russia's GDP, another
    day they account for 33% (even though Russia exports more than just oil and gas) and so on. Oil and gas account for 6.4% of
    Russia's GDP. That is it.

    The dirty trick or brain-dead ignorance at play here is that nominal trade dollar value is compared against the nominal exchange
    rate GDP. This comparison is not valid since exports are not subtracted first. Russia exported about $450 billion worth of goods in
    2018 (http://www.worldstopexports.com/russias-top-10-exports/). From this you get the 31% exports. But just as every
    dollar of sales abroad is equal to many rubles in domestic revenue, every dollar imports is equal to many rubles of domestic costs.
    The GDP only sees the 10% trade surplus. So Russia's actual dependence on foreign trade is 10% and not 31%. In the
    case of Canada and its 3% trade deficit, the GDP has to be stimulated by either robust internal growth or borrowing. It is
    borrowing that is hiding the 3% trade deficit.

    If 52% of Russian exports are oil and gas, then we have $234 billion in revenues. Russia's (civilian biased) PPP GDP was $4.2 trillion
    in 2018. Since the PPP GDP has been normalized into dollars the imports have to be counted in dollars to have apples to apples
    comparison. So we get 0.234/4.2 = 0.0557 or 5.57%. The oil and gas industry is not just exports and there are amplifier effects
    on Russia's domestic economy (e.g. local jobs and expenditures) so this gives us a GDP contribution of 6.4% > 5.6%.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:27 am

    Russia: adapting to sanctions leaves economy in robust health

    https://www.ft.com/content/a9b982e6-169a-11ea-b869-0971bffac109

    Russia to spend an extra $67 bln on social spending by 2024 - finance minister

    https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-economy-putin/update-1-russia-to-spend-an-extra-67-bln-on-social-spending-by-2024-finance-minister-idUSL8N29Y4M8
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:49 pm

    Austin wrote:Russia: adapting to sanctions leaves economy in robust health

    https://www.ft.com/content/a9b982e6-169a-11ea-b869-0971bffac109


    This is the best part:

    Some economic analysts think Moscow has more to fear from an abrupt removal of the sanctions than additional ones. “The single biggest danger to the Russian economy would be if the US woke up one day and lifted all the sanctions,” says a senior official who advises the Russian central bank. “There would be a massive inflow of capital, the currency would spike, all the government’s policies would be in tatters. It would be a disaster.”

    LOL

    This article is pretty much the acceptance of defeat by the sanction-er free world.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:09 pm

    Why would the policies be in tatters? The government would lower the taxes even further, put more money into the welfare and other funds and give some guidance where to invest the incoming money.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:36 am

    The Russia is a gas station idiots should explain why Russia is not bowing to US or western pressure on everything and why it has not collapsed yet if what they think is true.

    Why are the Russians not sell outs to western hegemony?

    Better question would of course by why is the west sold out to big business and money instead of what is best for their populations and why is the money controlled western media not investigating its own corruption and instead trying to find corruption everywhere else...
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:12 pm

    Putin even have problems to influence Belarus when Belarus consider US the leader of the world.   lol1



    Lukashenko added how the United States is  "the greatest empire, the leading country in the world." An emphasis Moscow may note, even if it wouldn't dispute the accuracy.


    from today feb 4 2020

    www.rt.com/russia/480045-belarus-trade-economic-concessions-moscow/

    And this is the eternal problem , the mother of all problems Russia face.
    The root of its misery , the cause of its 5th column.. the reason why Russia have no allies..
    who are Russian allies? China and Russia are only strategic allies.. just like Iran is another..

    they cooperate on security and economy because is mutually benefit.. but they are totally different
    nations ,totally different cultures, totally different priorities.. you can't integrate Russia and China
    to work as one..  russian society feel european not chinese..  Russian girls.. have seen their blogs on social
    media ,their opinions and ideas of Russia ,all of them 100% prefer to raise a family with someone from the american or european continent than from someone from their own country ,or asia or middle east.

    This is why no developed country wants to integrate with Russia block.. they see Russia outdated nation
    with a primitive government and weak country ,like a gas station.. and this is really very bad for russia image
    in the world for russia influence.
    and consider United States the leader of the world..  Ukraine had a revolution to split from Russia 2 times..  
    each one to split even further.. lol1  first to become a sovereign independent nation in the 90s and second one
    in 2014 to completely distance from russia past and become integrated into Europe..   Kasakistan passed a law to elimiate the russian language.. Laughing gerogia also want integration with europe.. Kazan a big city south of moscow ,about half of its population don't see themselves as Russian but muslim.. and they also were pushing to make tatar language the official language in kazan and russian as secondary optional. all this things are very
    powerful signs.. that Putin's is developing Russia in a wrong way .because is not influencing correctly ,not even
    its own society.. his party are losing popularity the more time pass. putin leadership and image is eroding , experiencing fatigue.  

    So where does this go ?  Putin strategy in russia development will only lead to its own auto destruction...
    he is like a medicine and cancer at the same time.. first saved Russia from economic collapse ,by nationalizing
    Oil and gas  and investing in military.. but at the same time ,he is moving Russia in the wrong direction.. to the
    glorious past..   this is a very serious problem ,for Russia future..  because Russia can't exist.. can't survive
    by a powerful military alone .. it will self destruct from the inside by the 5th column.. which are not necessarily
    the bad guys its majority,but people tired of the same old nation traditions ,same old government and the ones that look more into the future.. Putin thinks ,he can influence the world away of NATO by holding olympics and with politeness bullshit.. or because Russian powerful weapons
    and nukes will convince them to do it.. the moron even told it in the hypersonic conference..

    Putin’s : “They Didn’t Listen to Us Then, They Will Listen to Us Now”


    So it is more than clear ,that Putin believe its tactics of politeness bullshit with bullies and enemies + promoting
    sports "so nations get along together" No  and powerful weapons ..will be what will make the west
    to take seriously Russia ,to listen Russia.. putin told it.. they did not listen but they will listen now.. Rolling Eyes

    So my question here to all fanboys who believed to be "Experts" in russia economic development ,
    in this forum.. did anything have changed since Putin last hypersonic conference ? is Russia listened now?
    did they respect Russia interest in the world now?  Neutral   nothing have changed at all.. zero..

    Putin is out of touch with reality ,with the world he lives , with his own population young generations ,
    and with the west.. he simply is incapable of understanding ,why Russia is not taken seriously ,
    why is disrespected so much nation , why their interest not respected and its allies attacked , invaded
    and starved its economy and russia can't do anything about it.. because have no way to influence its enemies
    ,russia have no leadership in the world.. with the nations seeking to destroy it and can do it from the inside
    using its own population civil unrest in combination with attacks on oil prices.. which contrary to all idiots
    who say no.. russia economy is seriously damaged by low oil prices. this was what hit more russia.. the flooding of oil in the market.. hurt the profits of the entire russia energy industry and sanctions on russia minerals hurt
    the metalurgy industry. .  when a country is a weak ..it can be sanctioned easily.. when a country is strong
    not so much..  russia can't sanction United States at all or harm its economy.. why? because russia have no
    business leadership.. in the things US needs.    


    It is weakens the problem.. nobody follow weak people..   they follow strong people , that is not afraid to
    use force when its interest disrespected...see Iranian example.. US fly drones inside russia airpace.. drone shutdown and now they respect iranian airspace.. their general killed and they retaliate and bomb
    american military base..wound american soldiers and now they changed their tune ,and spoke softly to iran.. offering a new deal.. lol1

    so this are 2 ways to be respected.
    1)by being strong AND using force to counter adversaries.
    2)by being a leader ..business leadership..

    russia use none of them ,they do have weapons but don't use them to stop disrespectful nations.
    americans use both of them.. iranians don't have business to lead,but they are not polite bullshit like putin..
    and use force to get respect and surprise surprise.. they do respect this.. no more drones fly near iran today.  lol1

    All bullies always respect a good punch in the face.. and will always back down..if they aware their adversaries
    not afraid of a fight..but putin insecurity , weakness , and politeness , gets his planes attacked ,its bases attacked ,its allies ,its soldiers ,and he does nothing.. yet he will not be in a position to ever have to use military force ,if Russia did not created an economy highly depend on energy ..  in this forum claims Russia economy is dependent on services.. but even the russian economic misnister have said russia economy is largely dependent in oil... what the morons in this forum don't understand is that all those services depends on oil..that russian energy industry when don't make profits ,the government needs to finance them..  and when oil prices goes down.. the Russian ruble and russia economy collapse..and the bank have to invest billions to rescue it.... so Russia IS a largely dependent economy on energy prices and exports. in direct and indirect ways it is..
    if a nation major industry is base in machinery for oil rigs.. and the oil companies show major loses.. then
    the industry that provide services to oil companies will go down too.. so russia economy is largely dependent
    on oil price idiots.. russia also have major loans to pay in pipelines they build.. for oil infraestructure and if
    russia energy industry don't make profits , russia entire energy industry will go down ,creating a chain reaction
    that will collapse russian economy.. since many of those so called "Services" are oriented around the energy industry. many security staff ,engineers,scientist and even food shops staff  will lose their jobs if the russian energy industry lose their jobs..  russia is a cold nation most of the year.. and so it can't live without natural gas.
    without heat ...business of any kind ,whether is a library or a private hospital or electric company will not work
    without heat.. so to say russia economy is not dependent on oil and natural gas is laughable .. it is..
    most russian services will not work without heat ,without natural gas.. the entire russia economy will collpase
    without gazprom..  get that idiots..  since the entire russia industry can't operate without heat .. most russian debt is an energy debt.. why not talk about that ? how putin debt was because of the cost of building those pipelines.. and services to russia energy infraestructure is gigantic... too...  if russia energy industry collapse.. the entire  russia economy collapse. is as simple as that.. so learn something morons..  

    this doesn't means that the focus of the economy should be on energy.. as putin does..
    if russia major business were not based on energy and services to that energy  , and instead on high tech
    and space , then russia will had the business power ,the business leadership ,not only to attract every developed
    country to its orbit , but also to damage the economy of those nations seeking to destroy it.. as china have done
    with huawei vs apple.. Wink

    but as long putin worshipers exist... in russia ,and idiots praise him ,as a genius.. he will continue
    sinking russia to a long and painful death , that will happen ,because the moron have zero strategy
    to counter the american empire other than wait.. and wait and wait they change and become
    their friends..because somehow a change in their hearts will happen.. Rolling Eyes  

    is a leadership problem ,what russia face , once they get a leader with vision ,that look to the future
    and not to the old solviet past.. that seek to reinvent russia in a new way its culture instead of worshiping
    the obsolete past culture .and when counter US high tech industry ,not just in tech demos in a laboratory,but actual international business ..is when russia will start to get leadership in the world and when will be respected.
    and when nato will completely disband.. since the developed nations follows leaders.. and not followers as russia is..

    Modernization of Russian Economy ,from a commodities based economy to high tech exports.. and tech services based on services to high tech and space tech ,not services on repairing tractor used by potatoes industry ,or repairing an oil pipeline..or painting a bananas shop ..Putin needs to transform the economy into a very specialized one.. that require people with high university degrees to do the job..is science and technology what putin needs to promote.. and not distractions like competitive sports ..modernization of russian culture and economy, not only will have the enormous benefit to put Russia back on the map of a world leader..and help russia start earning the respect Russia deserve..if it was by me.. i will have privatized entirely the energy industry to private companies that they can trust and instead invest in free energy revolution.. take full advantage of sun light and make nuclear energy very safe..and accessible not only for small business but also for civilians too in a completely safe way for them and environment. not only have the enormous benefit of ending the petro dollar and the terrorist main source of income that is oil ,but also ending NATO and the destructive nature of the American empire.. if they want to be part of the new most modern world lead by Russian business.
    but also have the big huge benefit of ending the threat of radical religions like islam.. in russia.. because modernization of your culture ,directly competes with religions that are not dynamic and static in the past..like islam and others.. and this will end destructive ideologies.. that are rascist and backward looking.
    So russia can only be saved if it looks to the future at all times and never to the past.. unless it is to visit one day a museum.. that is where the past should be in history and not as something that should be emulated at all..
    the past is there to not repeat mistakes and to build on top of it .to make life better.. to try to emulate the past
    as putin wants is a mistake.. it makes your nation outdated with old way of thinking.. and you can have a modern culture without losing your values..and ethics.. The can teach better by example ,the way of conduct for society , if it is a selfish arrogant and repressive government ,it will promote a selfish arrogant and careless society.
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    Post  calripson on Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:04 pm

    What makes you think Russia can successfully compete in high tech business with the West? It is not like there is a magic wand Putin can wave. Even if Russia has a legacy of mathematical and engineering education inherited from the USSR, it does not have a legacy of turning those ideas into profitable businesses. More to the point, the most profitable markets are in the West (or China). Those Western markets can be protected from Russian competition by sanctions or trade barriers as well as be simply not respecting Russian intellectual property via the courts. China is in a different situation by virtue of having the second largest economy in the world and by having a population of 1.4 billion.

    In terms of soft power, the US/UK have perfected soft power over the last 70 years. (It was Churchill who said in 1947 all future empires will be empires of the mind). The reason the USSR lost the Cold War ultimately came down to this advantage. The US/UK invested billions in the application of mass social psychology - a field the grew organically in the West as a result of Madison Avenue style commercial marketing. Control ultimately rests with control of the meta-narrative - what is in the press or in social media. In the not to distant future, what is directly in peoples' minds.

    The world speaks English. The dollar is the world's reserve currency - to be replaced someday by a virtual currency. Asian women undergo painful cosmetic surgery to look for European - no European women undergo surgery to look Asian. No, Russian will not compete and win in the way that you propose and I think Putin is very much aware of that. He is trying to do the best with what he has to work with.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:48 pm

    calripson wrote:What makes you think Russia can successfully compete in high tech business with the West? It is not like there is a magic wand Putin can wave. Even if Russia has a legacy of mathematical and engineering education inherited from the USSR, it does not have a legacy of turning those ideas into profitable businesses. More to the point, the most profitable markets are in the West (or China). Those Western markets can be protected from Russian competition by sanctions or trade barriers as well as be simply not respecting Russian intellectual property via the courts. China is in a different situation by virtue of having the second largest economy in the world and by having a population of 1.4 billion.

    In terms of soft power, the US/UK have perfected soft power over the last 70 years. (It was Churchill who said in 1947 all future empires will be empires of the mind). The reason the USSR lost the Cold War ultimately came down to this advantage. The US/UK invested billions in the application of mass social psychology - a field the grew organically in the West as a result of Madison Avenue style commercial marketing. Control ultimately rests with control of the meta-narrative - what is in the press or in social media. In the not to distant future, what is directly in peoples' minds.

    The world speaks English. The dollar is the world's reserve currency - to be replaced someday by a virtual currency. Asian women undergo painful cosmetic surgery to look for European - no European women undergo surgery to look Asian. No, Russian will not compete and win in the way that you propose and I think Putin is very much aware of that. He is trying to do the best with what he has to work with.


    You have a rosy view of the west. The so-called soft-power is mostly primitive coercion such as sanctions which includes full blown
    black mail of businesses as in the case of Nord Stream II. The reason why the myth of soft power evolved was because the
    mercantilist pirate west developed first and became a mecca for high standard of living. Even people in countries such as India
    which were raped and hard by the British Empire fawn over the mystical western wealth and good living.

    Russia is not some 3rd world toilet which can't raise its own standard of living. And we see now how true this is with massive
    improvements in living conditions even in the Russian hinterland. All of this happened in the 20 years of Putin's watch. The so-called
    developing world has basically stood still compared to Russia during this period of time. I do not classify China and India as developing
    since they are basically Europe size and complexity regions in terms of numerous cultures and languages. Excluding these special
    cases we have essentially nothing to report from Latin America, Africa and most of the rest of the world outside the NATO west.

    As for technology. It's funny to see people yapping about consumer trinkets like iPhones as "tech". It is trash. And Russia actually
    does make money from these items. The "glass" screens used for these devices are 50% sourced from one Russian company making
    synthetic sapphires. The only thing that matters is that Russia has demonstrated a clear import-substitution ability like no other
    country. That some Japanese women have surgery on their eye-lids to look more western does not make the NATO west into some
    sort of invincible utopia. All the evidence points to the west eating itself through PC rot and the gradual loss of its global pirate
    racket.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:09 am

    Development is not open-ended, it eventually becomes a case of diminishing returns & marginal improvement.  The "West" is as developed as it is ever going to get, and internal mechanisms such as unsustainable debt levels, collapsing demographics in the native populations, and changing social/ethnic makeup and cultural conventions will have a deleterious effect on its soft power going forward.

    Russia is working form a lower base than the West and has yet to approach its vast potential.  The West has achieved its potential, and now struggle to maintain what they have, let alone improve.

    The idea that Russian tech can't find a niche in the West is simply nonsense. If someone suggested in 1980 that China would one day be a world leader in  computer network technologies they would have laughed at. Today the Chinese are undisputed leaders, and the collective West, as paranoid as it is about China's growing power, are adopting Chinese tech, even though the US Sinophobe establishment is trying its best to torpedo Chinese involvement.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:36 am

    What makes you think Russia can successfully compete in high tech business with the West?

    Because it does.

    Even if Russia has a legacy of mathematical and engineering education inherited from the USSR, it does not have a legacy of turning those ideas into profitable businesses.

    Profitable business is not necessarily good business.

    Case in point spending $1 a day per worker in an African diamond mine with a bonus of $50 when a worker finds a big valuable stone is extremely profitable, but is it good business?

    These poor countries put up with this because they don't have alternatives, but perhaps a good relationship with a non colonial power like Russia who values workers over CEOs and shareholders and they might nationalise those mines and start keeping more of their own countries worth within their own borders instead of sending it off to the 1% in the west to make them a little richer.

    More to the point, the most profitable markets are in the West (or China). Those Western markets can be protected from Russian competition by sanctions or trade barriers as well as be simply not respecting Russian intellectual property via the courts.

    Bullshit the markets with the richest people have the smallest profit margins... it is growing markets developing markets with lots of poor people working to get rich where the biggest profits are to be made... not stagnating old markets with negative interest rates...

    China is in a different situation by virtue of having the second largest economy in the world and by having a population of 1.4 billion.

    China has a population so large it effectively creates its own internal market that it can grow and develop with, though it grows much faster when it is the production centre for the world like the US used to be just after WWII... which created the 1950s for the US which were golden times where the father worked and the wife stayed home and brought up the kids and they could buy a house and a car and have holidays every year. Not now.

    In terms of soft power, the US/UK have perfected soft power over the last 70 years. (It was Churchill who said in 1947 all future empires will be empires of the mind). The reason the USSR lost the Cold War ultimately came down to this advantage. The US/UK invested billions in the application of mass social psychology - a field the grew organically in the West as a result of Madison Avenue style commercial marketing. Control ultimately rests with control of the meta-narrative - what is in the press or in social media. In the not to distant future, what is directly in peoples' minds.

    You mean the west talks shit.... yes... I agree... but so does everyone who wants to sell you something... don't make it out to be some special power...

    The west does not control the western media a very few very rich people do and they use it to divert and deflect attention from the very easy lives they and their families now have compared to the shit everyone else still has to put up with...

    The world speaks English.

    No it doesn't.

    The dollar is the world's reserve currency - to be replaced someday by a virtual currency

    The dollar being used as a weapon means it is becoming less and less used internationally, and the US printing more ignoring its own debts which are getting bigger an bigger, it is clearly a bubble... and bubbles that expand that far have to burst...

    Asian women undergo painful cosmetic surgery to look for European - no European women undergo surgery to look Asian. No, Russian will not compete and win in the way that you propose and I think Putin is very much aware of that. He is trying to do the best with what he has to work with.

    European women lie out in the sun or pay money in tanning salons to tan their skin... they cover their skin in all sorts of powders and oils to look young, they spend more money reshaping and recolouring their hair than they spend on their children... so you really think they should be used as a guide?

    You have a rosy view of the west. The so-called soft-power is mostly primitive coercion such as sanctions which includes full blown
    black mail of businesses as in the case of Nord Stream II. The reason why the myth of soft power evolved was because the
    mercantilist pirate west developed first and became a mecca for high standard of living. Even people in countries such as India
    which were raped and hard by the British Empire fawn over the mystical western wealth and good living.

    He has a rosy view of the west because that is where western soft power works best... go to an African country or an Asian country or a country in Central or South America and their views on the west in general and the US in particular will be rather different... and much more realistic.

    Development is not open-ended, it eventually becomes a case of diminishing returns & marginal improvement. The "West" is as developed as it is ever going to get, and internal mechanisms such as unsustainable debt levels, collapsing demographics in the native populations, and changing social/ethnic makeup and cultural conventions will have a deleterious effect on its soft power going forward.

    Russia is working form a lower base than the West and has yet to approach its vast potential. The West has achieved its potential, and now struggle to maintain what they have, let alone improve.

    The idea that Russian tech can't find a niche in the West is simply nonsense. If someone suggested in 1980 that China would one day be a world leader in computer network technologies they would have laughed at. Today the Chinese are undisputed leaders, and the collective West, as paranoid as it is about China's growing power, are adopting Chinese tech, even though the US Sinophobe establishment is trying its best to torpedo Chinese involvement.

    More critically the honest questions are not being asked... what was the point of the west becoming rich and powerful when it seems that the majority of western citizens are lost in a work spiral of doom to retirement... constantly working to pay the endless bills hoping to survive to retirement that keeps getting pushed further and further from reach... so when they finally retire when they are 85 and they have their pitiful pension that buys nothing by then they sit in an old folks home till they die, while the 1% are partying and having a great time... 6 holidays a year to far away exotic locations...

    I am just hoping the west pushes China and Russia and India just hard enough so they don't end up following the same path and they end up with a society where there will still be a 1% rich... but not billionaires... just tens or hundreds millionaires, and the rest of the population has the billions spread out so everyone can live a comfortable life and have holidays to exotic places and enjoy life...

    The American dream was supposed to be that anyone could turn up there with nothing and with hard work could become rich and comfortable and happy... that really does not happen any more.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:23 am

    calripson wrote:What makes you think Russia can successfully compete in high tech business with the West?



    In terms of soft power, the US/UK have perfected soft power over the last 70 years. (It was Churchill who said in 1947 all future empires will be empires of the mind). The reason the USSR lost the Cold War ultimately came down to this advantage. The US/UK invested billions in the application of mass social psychology - a field the grew organically in the West as a result of Madison Avenue style commercial marketing. Control ultimately rests with control of the meta-narrative - what is in the press or in social media. In the not to distant future, what is directly in peoples' minds.



    what makes me think that Russia can compete?
    Because Rissia is a highly capable nation ,with tremendous potential ,and very good engineers and scientist.
    it was russians who invented the laser light ,did you knew that? and the the grand parents of today russians ,
    lead the space race too.. you need a lot skills to send equipment to the moon ,mars and venus. .first..
    as soviet union did it.. they developed the space shuttle too.. Russia also had major advances too in semiconductors.. it was Russian engineer that worked for intel ,who developed the Pentium pro.
    so the skills are there.. not only for a high tech focused business ,but also for a space exploration focused economy..  and is very frustrating to see how Putin waste so much opportunities in distractions like olympics..
    like super expensive parks..in victory parades ,in populism.. that is socialism to score points with people..
    he wasted between sochi and world cup 2018.. a whooping 50 +10 billions $USD dollars..  about $60,000,000,000 (60 billions usd dollars)  for what? for 2 weeks of fun on each event?  Russia also is investing $300 billions dollars in a super train to china.. No

    so thats about $360 billions investement ,that could have been used elsewhere for helping russia counter
    the soft power influence of the west and their system.. ,instead of distractions.. for comparisons Russia space budget.. is about $2 billions a year.   Shocked

    so shows how serious NOT is russia on its space program.. they invest more money in paying the west
    for sanctions ,than on its space program..

    so basically Putin absolutely , totally disconnected from the problems russia face... he is playing the
    waiting game.. as if he ask many times for friendship they will get it.. by repetition. US can't back down ,
    the people who control it.. will want all or nothing and will not abandon their hegemony ... and putin do nothing
    to end the cold war.. all he does is use weakness politess as power, to promote mercy to be nicer with russia..
    and by begging for it.  but putin tactics will never work..
    you don't  do parties , or olympics , or build pretty expensive parks ,when your nation face undeclared war ..
    and they seeking to destroy your country..

    and Russia face a real state of war.. they call it cold war , but it gets hot from time to time.. with russian soldiers killed..Russia economy attacked at all times..

    US disrespect Russia and very hostile in ...
    a)in syria
    b) in ukraine
    c) in venezuela,
    d) in cuba ,
    e)in bolivia
    f)nicaragua

    basically all nations friendly to russia are attacked , so is war.. and this is the way Putin should see it.
    is a proxy /indirect slow war ..what russia face.. and putin needs to fight back ..it can't continue ignoring
    the danger that US create for Russia own existence.. and if all he does .. is wait for they to change.. and
    be polite , then Putin weakness will be encouraging them to increase the hostilities ,against  russia even more..  

    and it is very clear they want to break russia economy in a million of parts and they will never back down on this.. because restoring relations with russia ,means removing sanctions and abandon their global ambitions.

    Is an influence issue what Putin's Russia face.. ,they don't influence either Europe to abandon NATO and the
    US unfair and dangerous system ,neither they influence americans to change their aptitude.. something
    russia could have easily done if Russia was way more ambitious in their space program for example.. since americans love space.. and high tech too... and this will allow Russia to become sanction proof,  you saw how
    americans for examples were influenced by Russia soyuz program.. because they don't have an alternative
    to it.. so why not do more business like that ? to influence americans to cooperate more?   No
    he already have the key how to influence a better behavior in the west... but he don't take advantage of it..
    he cut in half the budget of Russia space program ,that was already low... according to Roscosmos chief , Rogozing ,their space program is just 1/20 of what US and china spend.. in theirs..  So for me Putin really
    don't understand what he is doing...because if he knew.. he will be investing heavily in transforming russia into the absolute leader in space exploration which Russia can do ,if he did not wasted so much in distractions or worshiping the past.. and in high tech.. and work for the creation of a new world wide internet..  this is when  only when russia will earn respect and will see nations change their tune.. when they
    feel they need  Russian business ,for their own development.

    China huawei business is a perfect example of this soft power in action.. the success of china in high tech,
    is opening the doors to china in markets ,that previously were only exclusive of americans.. even britain
    wants china to build their internet 5G network.. even when US demanded europe to not cooperate with china..
    so china huawei success if a major example , how much power a nation can get ,by just leading in technology..
    to the point of even US allies ignoring US foreign policy of containment of china .. If Russia had today cosmonauts
    traveling to the moon and mars.. it will have the entire planet in awe.. and it will be the topic of discussion of every day.  leading in high tech and space ,had also another huge benefit ,and that is attract scientific and engineering talent world wide to your country ,who wants to be part of that success. and this help another issue of russia
    and will help populate russia and increase its population.. so many opportunities missed by Putin ,for totally ignoring
    how the west use so effectively their soft power ,through the leadership of their business and modern culture.


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    Post  jhelb on Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:European women lie out in the sun or pay money in tanning salons to tan their skin... they cover their skin in all sorts of powders and oils to look young, they spend more money reshaping and recolouring their hair than they spend on their children

    I agree with all your other points but this point is not true. This is confirmation bias. Only a handful of European women would spend days tanning themselves in the Sun/salon. And I'm not including Russian women here. Even in Northern and Western parts of Europe only a few White women take to tanning.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:28 pm

    Except my sister.

    She looks like a fricking pineapple now.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:53 am

    That is the problem with generalisations... there are plenty of tanned beautiful white women... there are also plenty that look like ghosts...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:35 pm



    Russia built 49,000 railway cars of all types in 2019, breaking the USSR record of 1972 when 42,000 cars were built mostly
    in Ukraine. Banderastan has been trying to use the WTO to coerce Russia into buying the crapulent production which Russia
    already rejected back in 2013 (before the Maidan) but lost its case.

    The video also covers the mythical Chinese hospital construction. Apparently 5th column liberasts have been using as an
    example a hospital in Wuhan the construction of which started in 2013 and which was supposed to open in May of 2020
    and claiming it was built in a few days. The liberasts use this as "proof" that "Putin's regime" does not care about Russians
    since it took 10 years to build some polyclinic (i.e. they don't even compare to average hospital construction times in Russia).

    Funny how pro-NATzO 5th columnists in Russia trumpet fake Chinese "achievements" to beat Russia down, when their
    beloved NATzO media sources attack the quality of Chinese field hospitals being built. Clearly the ends justify the means
    for these liars.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:43 pm



    Enable yanqui anti-Russian agendas and go broke!

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    Post  Hole on Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:04 pm

    The new hospital in Wuhan was really build in a few days. But it is nothing more then a concrete plate as foundation and modified shipping containers stuck together like Lego. Like a field hospital.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:50 pm

    Hole wrote:The new hospital in Wuhan was really build in a few days. But it is nothing more then a concrete plate as foundation and modified shipping containers stuck together like Lego. Like a field hospital.

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    The video shows the field hospital. The liberasts were pointing to another 7 year project that was completed a few days ahead of schedule due
    to the crisis. The liberasts were deliberately confounding the two projects.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:00 pm

    Hole wrote:The new hospital in Wuhan was really build in a few days. But it is nothing more then a concrete plate as foundation and modified shipping containers stuck together like Lego. Like a field hospital.

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    It took even too long for a field hospital. That means that they were seriously underdeveloped concerning basic health infrastructure and that they were not ready at all even with army camps.

    The Chineses made huge leaps in some areas, where they are leading now, but they are still extremely underdeveloped on many basic things that in most european countries (including Russia) are given for granted since at least 100 years.

    And even if the virus spread had not to do anything with their eating habits, the health standards relative to food safety are extremely poor and live animals are slaughtered without any respect to basic hygiene norms.

    So China developed incredibly in the last 30 years, also due to the west mistakes, but it is not a good example on everything.

    By the way, with the current situation many large chinese firm that provides component for high tech industries all around the world are still closed. That will have serious inpact on the economy of many countries. I hope that it will also be a wakeup call against uncontrolled globalization
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    Post  Hole on Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:34 am

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:The new hospital in Wuhan was really build in a few days. But it is nothing more then a concrete plate as foundation and modified shipping containers stuck together like Lego. Like a field hospital.

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    The video shows the field hospital.   The liberasts were pointing to another 7 year project that was completed a few days ahead of schedule due
    to the crisis.   The liberasts were deliberately confounding the two projects.


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