Turned in what way? I wasn't aware millions of Ukrainians went and signed up en masse to complete Hitler's work during the last few years
They are not Russians, they are Ukrainians, they don't want to be Russian... the solution would be easy if they did, but they don't... even the people in the east who got bombed by Kiev forces don't want to become Russian, they just want to be able to speak Russian and trade with Russia like they used to... they don't see themselves as Russians.
Joining the Russian federation is not the top of their lists... for many it isn't even a last resort, but some have mentioned it as a possibility... don't mistake that with being pro Russia.
Nor was there ever massive support (as in concrete and tangible support, not loaded polls) for the Kiev regime's barbarism to the East.
Not a lot of resistance to it either... I mean if you said everyone in the house will now speak Scottish, and some people in the household said no, would it be OK to beat them to death, and when it came to criminal charges obviously the adult who administered the beating would be charged but would you ignore the rest of the family who stood by and let it happen and did nothing to stop it or defend the victim/s?
I mean what was in Nulands cookies?
Heck their sitting president himself was elected over promises to stop the violence and reintegrate the East peacefully as well as mend relations with Russia - that doesn't sound like turning on Russia and their fellow Ukrainians but the just the opposite.
Well it was pretty clear the alternative hadn't worked... clearly time for new solutions... an attitude of lets ignore genocide and wait till we can vote them out is not something I give much credit for.
[quote However some brave Ukrainians did rise up and took up arms against the Kiev regime and if only for their sake and their families should Russia keep the pipeline to integration flowing.
Ukrainians trying to keep the Ukraine the way it was before the US led coup... still largely hostile to Russia and looking west.
Some people simplify the situation and try to pretend that this was an infiltration by Putin and when the Ukraine was saved from the evil pro Russian puppet by the democratic and peaceful coup from the US, Putin had to resort to funding insurrection in the east, a group of terrorists trying to take over the Ukraine with Russian armoured divisions and military forces creating a stalemate on the ground.
The reality is that the Ukraine is not Russia and does and did not like Russia and was gradually turning west. Offers of investments from both sides however led to an anti Russian Ukrainian president to take the Russian offer because it was obviously better, which led to an immediate coup. In the Ukraine, like most east european countries, there is the popular party, and then there is the communists and then nazi and nationalist type criminals... with the most popular party being overthrown and the communists out of the question that left the fringe nutters including nazis. The laws on banning Russian language were already on the books, but these nazis tried to properly enforce them and a large part of the Russian speaking east of the country refused... for which they were bombed and shelled and shot and burned.
The fact that they defended themselves from their own government is no surprise and not something Russia should be rewarding.
They didn't do it for Russia.
Its relly sad how the west and the nazis with some corrupt jews kidnaped the whole country...Ukraine made the biggest mistake when they turned to west...because they will bankrupt the country and buy everything its wort for some dollars...its fucked up situation
They cut off their main customer and trading partner... Russia... they were gradually doing that anyway, but the sudden severing of ties and trade is what killed their economy, and the west is not interested in economic competition and had no reason to substitute Russia and buy Ukrainian products.
The American dream... only makes sense when you are asleep... and it isn't really for anyone who isn't American...
Nowadays is easier to do a background check. Most antirussian Ukrainian even post their hate in social media.
And it is much easier to integrate ukrainian citizens in Russia than to "russianise" ukrainian regions after 30 years of crap.
I would say social media should be saved and archived so posts cannot be deleted and hidden.... and when Russian hating Ukrainians apply for citizenship or have already been given citizenship can be shown their words and asked to explain. And then have citizenship denied or stripped.
Russia is not America... they can be picky about who they let live in Russia... they have something that is valuable... a decent place to live.
Especially that all Ukrainians, perhaps by the mere fact that they are still there, are Nazis or don't speak Russian or are potential traitors. Can we have some proof of that?
They are brainwashed to think Russia is the enemy... can you expect they get a free pass and get to live in a richer more prosperous country just because they have fucked up their country and want to run away for a better life somewhere else?
I know the mentality of my Ukrainian relatives and Garry is more right than the optimists who think that most Ukrs are reasonable
in their view of Russia.
Indoctrination and propaganda are powerful tools and they have been bombarded for 30 plus years...
As a starter ,the emmigrant must be young, means the catastrophics demographics situation would get worst by this move.
The potential immigrant can just be fed information about how terrible it is in the Ukraine... how is it in the Crimea.... it must be Putins fault... he tricked us into getting into bed with the Americans and Europeans... blah blah blah...
I tend to be against unskilled immigration even between eu countries, but unfortunately stupid EU rules do not allow to put a limit on that.
Seasonal work like fruit picking is a big thing for immigration... here we had a lot of owners in central otago complaining because they didn't have the usual seasonal fruit pickers because of the covid lockdowns. We also heard from our big fishing companies about Russian and Ukrainian fishermen stuck in quarantine... the fact is that they use foreigners because they don't pay a wage anyone else could live on so they import foreigners...