That's one way to breed hate and resentment even further - force them while they are their lowest to grovel and kowtow before they could be received.
Hey dude... the resentment and hate is alive and well... it was the Ukraine that cut ties with Russia and not the other way around... Russia is still the biggest foreign investor in the Ukrainian economy... you bet your ass they had better do some sincere foot kissing if they want to go back to anything like it used to be because there are plenty of Russian companies suffering because of the actions of the west and also the Ukraine that need investment and financial assistance that kept losing out because money was spent on these ingrates.
And for what exactly? Petty revenge? No.
Revenge has nothing to do with it... we are talking trust and they pissed all over Russia... why should Russia take them back and treat them like friends?
If those acts of contrition were to happen they must be of their own will, not because its been expected of them by Russia as part of a transactional vassal-liege relationship but because they themselves see that what they did was wrong.
That is what I am saying... the Ukraine needs to do these things without being asked to do so to prove they understand what a shit neighbour they have been to their best friend and ally.... and they should realise that even if they do all that and more that Russia still has every right to tell them to go fuck themselves... they made their bed with the west... learn to deal with the lumps and the scratchy bits... and the fact that the west never sleeps on the wet patch.
Otherwise you'd only be inviting traitors with an ax to grind and not even a single hesitation to bury it behind your back the first time they get. You don't want those people - you want repentant people grateful enough to be given a second chance to redeem themselves. Something that's only possible as long as Russia does the minimum and keeps an open hand without expecting anything in return.
Such assholes will always be a large percentage of that population... everything will always be Putins fault and it will all be some big trap Putin pushed them in to... I wasn't the fault of the innocent Ukrainians, not even the fault of the west... it was Putins fault for making us do such terrible things.
Its not fair, its not just, but lets face it at the end of the day its much better than the alternative of letting more and more Ukrainians fester with their country to breed more footsoldiers for the nazis.
It is not Russias problem... the Ukraine will never turn back and become best buddies with Russia... they will never decide... hey we are all Russians underneath after all... lets drop this bullshit and all just be brothers... it simply wont happen... they will always be different and they will always be quick to blame Moscow for any of their problems... no matter how much money the Russian taxpayers throw at them.
They should. Much of these people are Russians in all but name and its entirely due to the accident of 30 years ago that they are recognized as Ukrainians.
Important distinction... they see themselves as Ukrainians... trying to get the Ukraine back on side would be like trying to tell Americans that they are really British and French and Dutch and Spanish and Portuguese etc etc... they will never be anything other than white americans and african americans...
Ukrainian nazis with the backing of NATO and the Western world's far right.
Yep, armed and enabled by the west in an organised coup... we even know the Americans contributed 5 billion and some cookies to the venture.
So, according to you, its ok for one side to murder the other as long as its all in good secular fashion.
No of course not... but the Ukraine is a mess created by the US and the west... they totally fucked the country over... but now you expect Russia to pick up the pieces and make everything OK... piss off. The Ukraine is now Americas bitch and Germanys bitch... if you need soap or toothpaste or some other inmate shanked then you go see your new boss and get them to help you.
For added bonus, totally ignore the country that's perfectly good real estate for a staging ground to launch invasions right into Russia's heartland in favor of a naval base that could barely be supplied if not for the benevolence of the Turks. Right.
The choice was not made by Russia, it was made by the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainian people in the Crimea were sick of pretending to not be Russian and voted to be Russian again.... hense the Russian naval base and the surrounds in the Crimea are now Russian territory... by choice of the people living there.
The people in the rest of the Ukraine don't want to be Russian or part of Russia, they are just not happy with the current bunch of
in Kiev. If a government got into power in Kiev that said you can speak Russian if you like and we are going to drop all our trade embargoes with Russia, so that Russia will in turn drop them too they would probably have no problems putting down their arms and returning to normal.
Their problem is that Kiev is nothing like sensible because giving in to the terms of the rebels would actually go a long way to fixing their economy too.
Russia was never in any position to send in enormous armed forces to dictate to the people what was going to happen and never had any interest in doing that either... unlike the west who tells people what they are going to do all the time whether they like it or not.
Russia was always going to have ports in the Black Sea... returning the Crimea just meant they could keep their biggest port in the area operational.
Its unfortunate that it is what it is, but be that as it may we should be asking ourselves what can done be done about it?
Surely it would make more sense to understand the Japanese Psyche and solve their mental problems because a few sensible Japs working in Russia would be better than having stab in the back bitter Ukrainians... their work ethic borders on psychotic...
One could contemplate following the East German template and metaphorically (and possibly literally) walling off Ukraine from Russia and Crimea altogether.
The reverse reasoning though... it will be Ukrainians that want to escape poverty and corruption to go to Russian territory...
Bury one's head in the sand as it was, and maybe hope the problem fixes itself with time.
You are missing the whole point though. Russia does not have a problem... the Ukraine does.
Not that leaving the Ukrainians to their devices mostly have improved their situation as we've seen.
The Ukraine has had 30 years to build their nation and they are clearly in a period of serious setback and collapse... it is OK... Russia had that in the 1990s along with the Ukraine and the other countries of the Soviet Union thanks to the assistance of the US and the west to asset strip anything of value to be stolen and sent to western bank accounts by heros like Bill Browder etc.
It seriously damaged the Russian Federation, but then Putin took charge and sorted a lot of things out... some things took a lot of time but they did it.
Or one could go about the mostly peaceful route of absorbing anyone willing to eject themselves from the country, depriving Ukraine of the people with which it preys upon to sustain itself. It would be the about same effect if the 1st Guards Tank were let loose on the Ukrainian steppes only with significantly less bloodshed and a great advantage to Russia's position to boot.
There are people from all sorts of former Soviet Republics wanting to become Russian citizens to work and live in Russia.... why let Ukrainians jump the queue?
What must not be done is what is done nowadays in Europe. Allow uncontrolled immigration of people from Africa (or any other countries with completely different culture), a
One of the really clever things European countries do is not allow these immigrants trying to get citizenship or residency to work, which means while they get an allowance and lodgings they have nothing to do and little money to spend and they see around them shops full of nice stuff they can't afford and people busy and working which they cannot do... of course the young men are going to get into trouble...
What they should be doing is putting these people into training programmes to find their skills and interests and get them trained up so that if they get accepted they can go straight into work... the skills programmes can be like an apprenticeship so they earn extra money on top of their allowance so they can afford to live and buy what they want.
At least that way if they rape and steal and generally misbehave then you can say you made the right choice deporting them back to where they came from.
The Ukrainians however should be on the bottom of the pile, they are useless, malignant and without any loyalty to anything other than Bandera's cult, this much is evident now
They are essentially anti Russian Russians, which makes them less desirable than non Russians who might be interested in assimilating...
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