Y.N.M.S @ynms79797979 · 2h The helicopter crashed near Nayrab, southeast of the city of # Idlib in militant territory. The helicopter crew that we lost today martyred the two heroic, may God have mercy on him. We await the military source's statement
Andrew @AndrewBritani · 2h All crew onboard are confirmed killed.
May they rest in peace.
Andrew @AndrewBritani · 2h SyAAF and RuAF are now striking Idlib city directly after the SyAAF helicopter was downed.
Andrew @AndrewBritani · 2h Today reminds me of Daraa in 2018.
They downed a SyAAF helicopter and then the RuAF and SyAAF responded by neutralising many targets in the city.
Big areas now being retaken west of Aleppo. This is important as it will stop them taking artillery pot shots at Aleppo.
The rate at which the SAA is rolling up the terrorists is impressive, helped I assume by the further west they go the fewer the fixed defensive positions so they can go straight through villages rather than circling round them.
Morale must be dropping like a stone as they force permanent retreats with little rest. Plus, as their area gets smaller the concentrations of larger groups of terrorists, from mixed 'units' possibly leaderless and badly disciplined, must make for juicier CAS targets.
Isos wrote:Turkey just gave many big targets for russian and syrian bombers.
Sending troops in an area where you have no air protection while enemy bombers are free day and night is the dumbest thing to do.
Do you believe even a single bomb will drop on them?
absolutely...
If Erdogan army start attacking Russian forces.. they will strike them.. through the SAA. Russia is providing syrian army coordinates where to strike.. remember that already SAA strike 2x times a group of turkey soldiers , one in convoy and another attacking with artillery at syrian troops. and in each attack up to 5 turkey soldiers killed and dozens wounded.. so this was a message to Erdogan and Turkey military ,that SAA will strike back if attacked by them..
The claims in previous long report that Russia have full control of idlib airspace should be a major accomplishment in Russian diplomacy in combination with the use of force . Also will be impressive if american airforce and drones also denied that airspace.. it will make things much easier for SAA fights..
some interesting points.. -Like someone told.. Erdogan sending a big army 5,000 over zone they don't control its airspace and adversaries can freely fly over their heads.. is a very dumb move.. their soldiers will be very easy targets.. for the SAA and Russian airforce in case they attacked they can very easily retaliate... and strike at their tanks and artillery. tanks were not designed to defeat airforce.
Another interesting points.. are.. -If Erdogan goes full retard and declare full scale war on SAA and Russia.. and send a full scale army invasion it can kick Russia base from syria.. and push back the syrian army all advances in a short time , and lose completely the entire northen part of syria ..from latakkia ,idlib ,to aleppo and kurdistan.. in a month.
-If Putin goes full retard and declare war on turkey ,it can do the same thing that erdogan could do.. reversed.. with IRAN and SAA help occupy the entire southern border of turkey up to 30km inside.. of turkey main land.
So Erdogan knows ,that capability wise.. technically speaking ,if putin goes full retard.. using the full might of its military ,Russia have the capability to kick the turkey army from syria completely and destroy Turkey economy.. Turkey will be very vulnerable to the russian navy and russian airforce..in the black sea.. they could even lose northen cyprus if russia invades there.. and no european country will risk a war with russia ,in defense of turkey ,since europe don't like erdogan.. Americans wants to remove him too.. but for other reasons.. Erdogan risk a war ... with Russia ,Syria ,and Iran.. and to fight them alone.. without NATO support.. we already know Trump will highly preffer to avoid a confronation with IRAN that can closing the petro dollar business permanently in persian gulf and hit their economy.. and also he respect Russia military too.
3 Possible general scenarios for erdogan. from most probable to less probable...
1) ERdogan will continue playing games same way but now with more pressure on SAA with its army.. try to keep some relations with Russia ,while at the same time. he will full arm the terrorist with tanks and missiles and everything they have.. 2) Erdogan will go half retard and start a major advance of SAA positions ,with a full army invasion of turkey and strike SAA but not Russia airforce.. to push back SAA away from all idlib and alepo.. 3) Erdogan will go full retard and declare war on SAA and Russia.
outcome of any of this 3 scenarios will be either.. a) Turkey army lose by proxy from Russian airforce in syria.. bombing their backed militants. b) if Russia increase airforce support, Turkey army lose by proxy from Russian airforce in syria.. if putin backdown and go for long term strategy and seek negotiations.. Turkey army temporarily wins for a year or two after Russia force SAA to retreat to avoid a major war,but Russia continue supplying weapons to iran and SAA to recover lost land.. and eventually lose in the end..through attrition war.. c) Turkey army lose directly from Russian airforce and Russian navy from the black sea.. (this full vs full war)
So it is my believe that Erdogan options no matter what he choose.. will be lose or lose or lose. Is to choose between lose in near future or lose long term. The difference will be , that if Turkey cooperates with Russia ,he will be able to save big time face and make it look that a defeat is a victory .and even Russia agree to allow turkey to hold some land . on top ,will win in terms of major cooperation from Russia on its economy and military development.. Erdogan if becomes wise ,he will understand that he have a lot more to win ,with maintaining cooperation with Russia ,than going against their interest..and that he can't allow a piece of small land..civilians that will drain his economy and that he will have to feed , that he don't need at all , to ruin all the progress he have achieved in cooperation with Russia..
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Isos wrote:Turkey just gave many big targets for russian and syrian bombers.
Sending troops in an area where you have no air protection while enemy bombers are free day and night is the dumbest thing to do.
Do you believe even a single bomb will drop on them?
They are already being droped from the skies.
The second mistake they made was to say (and let HTS make pictures) those vehicle will be operated by their proxies. That gives green light to russians and syrians bomb them.
Isos wrote:Turkey just gave many big targets for russian and syrian bombers.
Sending troops in an area where you have no air protection while enemy bombers are free day and night is the dumbest thing to do.
Do you believe even a single bomb will drop on them?
They are already being droped from the skies.
The second mistake they made was to say (and let HTS make pictures) those vehicle will be operated by their proxies. That gives green light to russians and syrians bomb them.
indeed.. Russia can say it was bombing HTS that took controls of armored vehicles and tanks that are identical to the ones turkey have.
There is no doubt Russia joining the Syrian conflict is making history . It will be mandatory for all future military forces in the world to study the Syrian conflict.. because what happens there have never happened before in military history.. this is perhaps the most complicated war in planet history... in the past.. the bad guys were in one side and the good guys in another.. depending which side you ask.. will be bad and good. Now what he see is undefined alliances , part time alliances ,alliances formed for brief period only until certain objectives achieved.. then split.. both with very serious conflicting interest between them..in long term.. Kurds learned this lesson the hardway.. they were betrayed big time.. and they deserved this lesson.. they were warned will be betrayed ,but did not believed it... now they see ,they were used like a condom , something you use one time and then drop it..
I highly doubt turkey will go full scale just a few token attacks killing a few SAA here and there, Turkey knows it shouldnt be in Syria and will get their ass kicked the end of terror scumbags is coming,
i dont think Idilb will be attacked but rather all access roads taken apart from the eastern highway which will allow terrorists to flee, i think Jisr ash-shugur will be the last main stronghold for the terrorists. Idilb will fall once Binnish, Ma-arrsat misrin, Foua, Arihah and sarmin are taken. I would imagine sarmin will be taken similar to saraqib (encirclement). The reason turkey is worried about sarmin is if it taken not only does it give the SAA direct access to idilb but it more importantly gives it a route to Binnish, which if taken starts the cut off to Idilb and access to Foua.
west of maarrat al numan will become a large cauldron, once kafranbel and al barah are taken this will become a mop up exercise. As for western/southern Aleppo as long as the highway is secured and some buffer created i doubt they will expand too much on this front. They will be wanting to keep the terrorists spread right throughout Aleppo, they will of course keep pressure up on this front doing probing attacks and taking villages that are easy targets or lightly manned to effect enemy morale. you may find that they will take key towns Al Atarib, kafr nuran, urma as sughra, urma al kubra, kafr-ni-al, this would create a decent buffer, biggest challenge is turkish army. another key target which could aid the SAA in the the encirclement of Idilb would be the capture of Ibbin which lies west of Kafr nuran as this would allow them to take the very small town of Hazzunu directly on the main highway north of Ma-arrsat misrin which would help capture the large town thus helping the encirclement of idilb. you may also find they will advance to take ma-arat an-na-asan if they take this it will also aid in the cut off north of Ma-arrsat misrin.
i really don't know about syrian cities names.. much.. but if i was who direct the policy of russia in syria.. i will convince assad to give up idlib main city , they don't need a city full of millions pro erdogan sympathizers of terrorist.. The syrian government can't change the way of thinking of radicals.. so if i was syrian..i will be worried about my government uniting that city with rest of syria..
for me the most important objectives in idlib ,are
1) the left to right highways , they taking now ,because it helps the revitalizing of the economy and shortern the distance from hama and latakkia to aleppo.. 2)that russia push the terrorist as far as possible from latakkia region.. after m5 taken and aleppo expanded to the east.. they should start in lattakia a new front and push all the way to east to jingamoor or which ever way is called.. that is the city to the left in idlib main city.. and encircle it.. that way it push terrorist far away from russian base.. and improve its security..
after than.. with help of iran ,encircle the base of US in the eastern syrian desert homs , and little by little encircle it.. first using civilian protest.. and later with military.. but officially speaking i think after syria secure idlib main east to west main highways and expand allepo to the west.. and encircle idlib main city.. they can call it the end of the military war.. the rest of the territories could be retaken through diplomacy.. and turkey allowed to hold some terrorist cities ,so he can safe face with his people.. for me is more important for russia to develop relations with turkey ,that the full capture of idlib.. this will allow russia to improve its own security in the main land , by pulling away turkey from US orbit.and turkey will benefit enormously from a good relation with russia.
in more news.. a bit old , but important..
Dutch Parliament supports cancellation of NATO Article 5 for Turkey as a consequence of the Turkish invasion in Syria
Some europeans country are pushing to deny erdogan any declaration of article 5..in case his invasion to syria ends causing a major war ,that cause the invasion of its own nation with syria and its allies..
this doesn't surprise me.. not that i think US will respect any law..or rule even if created by them.. when it doesn't benefit them.. but the opposite.. Trump could have declared article 5 ,after iran bombed his base and they didn't do it..
basically US will go to war ,against anyone ,only when they benefit from it.. regardless if they are nato or not.. will break any rule or create new ones according to their needs from time to time.. so this is the first lesson to NATO alliance.. US foreign policy is not guided by rules.. or laws.. is guided by interest instead.. and go into a war ,that can damage their nation interest , or very dangerous for their military ,they will not do it..
russia for example could invade the baltics and US will do nothing.. if russia threatens a nuclear war .. against anyone that comes to their help.. they will limit to sanctions and economic war.. if Russia invade canada now thats a different story and they will take the fight to a limited one.. but nobody will risk a nuclear war with russia ,if a lunatic siege power there for example.. for a foreign nation that was invade and was an ally.
In world war 2 Americans did not moved a finger ,when britain was being destroyed by germans..airforce and their cities shelled ,neither moved a finger when france was captured..they only waited until nazis lost in the eastern front and russia was moving towards germany to capture it, to take the decision to send a major invasion to france to fight hitler..
So US only waited until it was clear ,who will win in europe ,to know to which side they will join.. article 5 or any other is just a piece of paper and US will only do whatever thing they believe is good for them.. whether is legal or not , part of a law or not.. NATO rules are more a list of rules for vassals states to follow but that they will not follow whenever is bad for them. and for US it will be a bad thing to start a nuclear war with russia over a land that is not their territory.. for them more important is to isolate russia economy from europe and the world and defeat them ,without firing a shot.
this is why trump ,did not responded iran..after they attacked their base..or declared article 5 ,when base bombed.. it was not in US interest to fight in a war they can't win.. a korean like war.. with russia and china providing iran with endless supplies ,weapons and intelligence .on nato positions.. neither the pentagon complained about trump decision.. this was a test they did ,against iran.. to see their reaction and it ended badly for them.. iran have proven that is not afraid of a war even against US. and they will take this into account.. it will not be surprising if trump restore the iranian nuclear deal now.. that they know their bullying on iran will not work. and they will fight back if pushed against a wall with a sword..
i really don't know about syrian cities names.. much.. but if i was who direct the policy of russia in syria.. i will convince assad to give up idlib main city , they don't need a city full of millions pro erdogan sympathizers of terrorist.. The syrian government can't change the way of thinking of radicals.. so if i was syrian..i will be worried about my government uniting that city with rest of syria..
for me the most important objectives in idlib ,are
1) the left to right highways , they taking now ,because it helps the revitalizing of the economy and shortern the distance from hama and latakkia to aleppo.. 2)that russia push the terrorist as far as possible from latakkia region.. after m5 taken and aleppo expanded to the east.. they should start in lattakia a new front and push all the way to east to jingamoor or which ever way is called.. that is the city to the left in idlib main city.. and encircle it.. that way it push terrorist far away from russian base.. and improve its security..
after than.. with help of iran ,encircle the base of US in the eastern syrian desert homs , and little by little encircle it.. first using civilian protest.. and later with military.. but officially speaking i think after syria secure idlib main east to west main highways and expand allepo to the west.. and encircle idlib main city.. they can call it the end of the military war.. the rest of the territories could be retaken through diplomacy.. and turkey allowed to hold some terrorist cities ,so he can safe face with his people.. for me is more important for russia to develop relations with turkey ,that the full capture of idlib.. this will allow russia to improve its own security in the main land , by pulling away turkey from US orbit.and turkey will benefit enormously from a good relation with russia.
well ur wrong because you cant expect Syria to give up its land and people to Turkey thats just madness. For one not everyone in the city may support the terrorists or want turkey to take them, these cities are under control by terrorists and turkey sympathizers many civilians fear for their lives and do what terrorists say. I cant imagine many Syrians wanting this type of lifestyle considering Syria before the conflict was safer, more freedoms, and better living conditions. Idilb will be liberated that i am sure of. most likely before the end of the year maybe even in the next 3-4 months
well ur wrong because you cant expect Syria to give up its land and people to Turkey thats just madness. For one not everyone in the city may support the terrorists or want turkey to take them, these cities are under control by terrorists and turkey sympathizers many civilians fear for their lives and do what terrorists say. I cant imagine many Syrians wanting this type of lifestyle considering Syria before the conflict was safer, more freedoms, and better living conditions. Idilb will be liberated that i am sure of. most likely before the end of the year maybe even in the next 3-4 months
The war in syria is an economic war on russia.. they wanted to give a vietnam to russia in syria.. and as a bonus ,they wanted to provoked a full scale war between russia and turkey.. so if russia do what you say.. US and the organizers of the syrian war will win.. and to push turkey out of syria it will require a full scale war of russia ,with turkey.. so it will allow them , the master minds of the syrian war to get their objectives ,in slowing down russia economy..
if russia do their help ,with a small group of forces.. it will allow russia to achieve their objectives without giving US and Israel ,what they will have liked , to get Russia and turkey in a full scale war.. and to damage russia economy.. if russian soldiers start to be killed in the thousands and russia economy collapse.. then russia own existence will be at risk.. because a full scale war with turkey could provoke major civil unrest in russian cities.. if thousands of russian soldiers start to be killed ,vs turkey that could pull with NATO and middle east help a million man army.. versus russian army and saa..
So for me is better that russia achieve its objectives without provoking a full scale war.. that will damage russia future economic development.. Idlib was always a radical sunni capital.. that was more friendly to turkey than syria.. so yes allowing alqaeda to stay there for more months or a couple of years is very bad.. but a full scale war with turkey will be much worse.. because could threaten all the progress syrian army have achieved in several years.. so my point is before Syrian army risk a war with turkey , it needs to be prepared for it.. and they aren't.. they need first to rebuild their economy and strengthen and modernize their military.. erdogan will not be forever president and russia once they capture the highways ,they can freeze the confrontation with turkey and recover the rest of idlib ,when a new government rules in turkey..
So totally agree ,that syria have the right to retake 100% of its territory.. but having a right and reality are not the same thing.. Syria could lose everything they won fighting ,if try to start a full scale war with turkey.. SAA could not handle the 15,000 rebels that invaded idlib..from turkey and had to retreat.. when idlib was captured.. and you think syria will do better against full turkey army? 100,000 soldiers? Russia don't have the military force in syria to contain a full scale army invasion.. then you have israel that also will attack syria at same time .. if a war start.. so the first rule in war.. is you don't go to a war ,you know you can't win.. or not prepared for it.. SAA is not prepared for a full war confrontation with turkey..and possibly israel and americans that also can start an offensive on syria at same time so is better for them to do follow russia guidance, so that combination of force and diplomacy could do the job better..
Russia could last this long in syria , and give a chance to them to restore most of its country ,only because it engaged in dialogue and negotiations with turkey and israel in combination with force.. had russia declared war on US ,france ,uk ,turkey ,israel.. it will have lost the war in a conventional war.... and only way to save syria will have been a nuclear war.. so is not worth of it.. to start full scale wars. for a territory that is not even in russia, for a nation that russian citizens don't consider russians or will not want their military to sacrifice their lives. so Russia also have its interest too..and their nations security and economy is also one of them.... and starting a full scale war with nato and middle east and israel over syria is not one of them..
they are doing the right policy in syria of diplomacy combined with force.. it allows russia to slowly achieve its objectives without breaking their economy or losing too much soldiers.. Russia strategy open the door for the war to end...limited war with diplomacy channels open.. and syria still have a big chance to recover 100% of idlib ,when diplomacy and relations improve.. but if goes in a full scale war.. it could be a war of 20 years..or more ,with thousands of russians killed and russia economy destroyed.. and this will be a victory for US. if slow russia economy and damage its image.. Remeber US don't need syria at all for anything.. what they want is to weaken russia.. and provoke a full scale war with turkey.. so you want putin to give his enemies what they want? after the highways captured ,the rest of idlib can be retaken through diplomacy.. for russia is more important to try their best to get turkey ,away from nato... and find a happy medium in their interest.. and keep relations open.. than capturing a piece of land.. that syria will have no money to admin and will need russia to loan the money for them to hold the city.. they not even have money for their air defenses and many of their tanks and weapons and russia have to give them for free. So is something important to remember.. wars is not only about capturing land.. but about economic development too.. and diplomacy.. just learn russia empire history ,they had to do lots of times negotiations like that.. of trading land for peace.. and they later recover it in better times.. they gave japan and polish territory in change for peace.. and recovered them back in better times. diplomacy can save nations. it have saved russia empire many times.. and have no reason to think it will not work for syria. in fact they did this kind of diplomacy with ottoman empire many times.. over crimea.. and who now control crimea. for me it will be a better policy ,to let turkey hold a some zones in idlib so he save face with his people and later when a new government shows or relations improve recover it all with negotiations.. without firing a bullet. there is nothing syria need from idlib.. is a city that was full of traitors and 5th column and will only become like a cancer for syria to get it.. that nato could use to destabilize syria again and provoke another civil war.. idlib better be encircled and the people inside given full autonomy ,and control all exit and entry points to keep weapons out..
in other news.. Syria: SAA continue to gain territories near M5 highway
Ero talking tough in parliament, declaring SAA fighters will no longer have free skies to bomb and Turkey is prepared to push SAA back to agreed lines. Also, some big strategic bombers took off from Russia, according to livemap. No idea if anything to do with Syria or not.
crod wrote:Ero talking tough in parliament, declaring SAA fighters will no longer have free skies to bomb and Turkey is prepared to push SAA back to agreed lines. Also, some big strategic bombers took off from Russia, according to livemap. No idea if anything to do with Syria or not.
It's really time to turn on those S-300. Mig-29 will also have some work out there, hopefully they got new ECM from belorussia and could have their chance against amraam equiped f-16.
if anyone though Idlib was the only battle zone... then far from that.. there is a major incident that happened in kurdish zones between american and kurds.. and probably syrian national defenses.. that are syrians that are helping the syrian military..
basically the pro SAA forces blocked the road to american troops.. when they tried to pass near their check point.. then a major discussion started and a teen throwing rocks of 14 year old was killed by american troops ..
the population in the zone got angry. and they apparenly later returned with guns ak-47.. and started to attack american trucks.. naturally such rifles can't scratch the paint of an american armored truck.. but it was a clear major scalatation between either pro syrian forces or kurds vs american forces.. interestingly russian forces were near .watching everything in their tiger just observing .
there is also another incident with what appears to be a giant kurd.. taking down the american flag from one of the american trucks.. then he began to argue with an american soldiers.. perhaps it was related with the incident of the killed teen..
Im sure Russia can take advantage of this tensions between kurds in one zone and us troops.. americans can solve all ,dropping cash and money.. to people so don't rebel..but such tactics can work forever if they start being killed.
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an incident like this is what i was speaking.. major civil protest against americans blocking their trucks , whenever they go out ..can kick american forces from syria , if proper media cover it all ,and is show in all social media and youtube.. this will only change a lot public opinion over US mission in syria.. and a major pressure will start for them to leave.. surrounding their bases ,then invading it..
Vann7 wrote:if anyone though Idlib was the only battle zone... then far from that.. there is a major incident that happened in kurdish zones between american and kurds.. and probably syrian national defenses.. that are syrians that are helping the syrian military..
basically the pro SAA forces blocked the road to american troops.. when they tried to pass near their check point.. then a major discussion started and a teen throwing rocks of 14 year old was killed by american troops ..
the population in the zone got angry. and they apparenly later returned with guns ak-47.. and started to attack american trucks.. naturally such rifles can't scratch the paint of an american armored truck.. but it was a clear major scalatation between either pro syrian forces or kurds vs american forces.. interestingly russian forces were near .watching everything in their tiger just observing .
there is also another incident with what appears to be a giant kurd.. taking down the american flag from one of the american trucks.. then he began to argue with an american soldiers.. perhaps it was related with the incident of the killed teen..
Im sure Russia can take advantage of this tensions between kurds in one zone and us troops.. americans can solve all ,dropping cash and money.. to people so don't rebel..but such tactics can work forever if they start being killed.
https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog
an incident like this is what i was speaking.. major civil protest against americans blocking their trucks , whenever they go out ..can kick american forces from syria , if proper media cover it all ,and is show in all social media and youtube.. this will only change a lot public opinion over US mission in syria.. and a major pressure will start for them to leave.. surrounding their bases ,then invading it..
crod wrote:Ero talking tough in parliament, declaring SAA fighters will no longer have free skies to bomb and Turkey is prepared to push SAA back to agreed lines. Also, some big strategic bombers took off from Russia, according to livemap. No idea if anything to do with Syria or not.
Good thing that it's someone other than Syria who are doing the bombing then
well ur wrong because you cant expect Syria to give up its land and people to Turkey thats just madness. For one not everyone in the city may support the terrorists or want turkey to take them, these cities are under control by terrorists and turkey sympathizers many civilians fear for their lives and do what terrorists say. I cant imagine many Syrians wanting this type of lifestyle considering Syria before the conflict was safer, more freedoms, and better living conditions. Idilb will be liberated that i am sure of. most likely before the end of the year maybe even in the next 3-4 months
The war in syria is an economic war on russia.. they wanted to give a vietnam to russia in syria.. and as a bonus ,they wanted to provoked a full scale war between russia and turkey.. so if russia do what you say.. US and the organizers of the syrian war will win.. and to push turkey out of syria it will require a full scale war of russia ,with turkey.. so it will allow them , the master minds of the syrian war to get their objectives ,in slowing down russia economy..
if russia do their help ,with a small group of forces.. it will allow russia to achieve their objectives without giving US and Israel ,what they will have liked , to get Russia and turkey in a full scale war.. and to damage russia economy.. if russian soldiers start to be killed in the thousands and russia economy collapse.. then russia own existence will be at risk.. because a full scale war with turkey could provoke major civil unrest in russian cities.. if thousands of russian soldiers start to be killed ,vs turkey that could pull with NATO and middle east help a million man army.. versus russian army and saa..
So for me is better that russia achieve its objectives without provoking a full scale war.. that will damage russia future economic development.. Idlib was always a radical sunni capital.. that was more friendly to turkey than syria.. so yes allowing alqaeda to stay there for more months or a couple of years is very bad.. but a full scale war with turkey will be much worse.. because could threaten all the progress syrian army have achieved in several years.. so my point is before Syrian army risk a war with turkey , it needs to be prepared for it.. and they aren't.. they need first to rebuild their economy and strengthen and modernize their military.. erdogan will not be forever president and russia once they capture the highways ,they can freeze the confrontation with turkey and recover the rest of idlib ,when a new government rules in turkey..
So totally agree ,that syria have the right to retake 100% of its territory.. but having a right and reality are not the same thing.. Syria could lose everything they won fighting ,if try to start a full scale war with turkey.. SAA could not handle the 15,000 rebels that invaded idlib..from turkey and had to retreat.. when idlib was captured.. and you think syria will do better against full turkey army? 100,000 soldiers? Russia don't have the military force in syria to contain a full scale army invasion.. then you have israel that also will attack syria at same time .. if a war start.. so the first rule in war.. is you don't go to a war ,you know you can't win.. or not prepared for it.. SAA is not prepared for a full war confrontation with turkey..and possibly israel and americans that also can start an offensive on syria at same time so is better for them to do follow russia guidance, so that combination of force and diplomacy could do the job better..
Russia could last this long in syria , and give a chance to them to restore most of its country ,only because it engaged in dialogue and negotiations with turkey and israel in combination with force.. had russia declared war on US ,france ,uk ,turkey ,israel.. it will have lost the war in a conventional war.... and only way to save syria will have been a nuclear war.. so is not worth of it.. to start full scale wars. for a territory that is not even in russia, for a nation that russian citizens don't consider russians or will not want their military to sacrifice their lives. so Russia also have its interest too..and their nations security and economy is also one of them.... and starting a full scale war with nato and middle east and israel over syria is not one of them..
they are doing the right policy in syria of diplomacy combined with force.. it allows russia to slowly achieve its objectives without breaking their economy or losing too much soldiers.. Russia strategy open the door for the war to end...limited war with diplomacy channels open.. and syria still have a big chance to recover 100% of idlib ,when diplomacy and relations improve.. but if goes in a full scale war.. it could be a war of 20 years..or more ,with thousands of russians killed and russia economy destroyed.. and this will be a victory for US. if slow russia economy and damage its image.. Remeber US don't need syria at all for anything.. what they want is to weaken russia.. and provoke a full scale war with turkey.. so you want putin to give his enemies what they want? after the highways captured ,the rest of idlib can be retaken through diplomacy.. for russia is more important to try their best to get turkey ,away from nato... and find a happy medium in their interest.. and keep relations open.. than capturing a piece of land.. that syria will have no money to admin and will need russia to loan the money for them to hold the city.. they not even have money for their air defenses and many of their tanks and weapons and russia have to give them for free. So is something important to remember.. wars is not only about capturing land.. but about economic development too.. and diplomacy.. just learn russia empire history ,they had to do lots of times negotiations like that.. of trading land for peace.. and they later recover it in better times.. they gave japan and polish territory in change for peace.. and recovered them back in better times. diplomacy can save nations. it have saved russia empire many times.. and have no reason to think it will not work for syria. in fact they did this kind of diplomacy with ottoman empire many times.. over crimea.. and who now control crimea. for me it will be a better policy ,to let turkey hold a some zones in idlib so he save face with his people and later when a new government shows or relations improve recover it all with negotiations.. without firing a bullet. there is nothing syria need from idlib.. is a city that was full of traitors and 5th column and will only become like a cancer for syria to get it.. that nato could use to destabilize syria again and provoke another civil war.. idlib better be encircled and the people inside given full autonomy ,and control all exit and entry points to keep weapons out..
what on earth are you smoking, idilb will be encircled but the people inside wont be given full autonomy and i am not sure where on earth you think thats going to happen, a city given full autonomy com on thats just plain silly.
as i said Turkey aint going to go full scale war with syria it wont happen, you forget the SAA are seasoned well experienced Turkey not so, and SAA have Russian backing, Turkey wont go full invasion just a tit for tat killing of SAA. Turkish involvement doesnt seem to slowing the SAA advance too much. and once idilb and aleppo sorted they will turn their attention to northern aleepo and with the help of the kurds push turkey and its terrorists out of syria. syria will be liberated.
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