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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:43 am

    One weekend every year or so as long as you have enough planes available... not real war, just play war.

    Who shall we invade this week?

    Sorry availability of the toys is currently 40% can you give us a months warning and we should have enough planes and ships ready for the job...
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:42 pm

    The first American ship LCS received anti-ship missiles NSM

    U.S. media reported that on September 3, 2019, a "littoral" warship of the US Navy LCS 10 Gabrielle Giffords (type Independence) left San Diego (California) for deployment in the Western Pacific (temporarily based on Singapore). Judging by the published photos, this ship is equipped with four container-mounted launchers of Norwegian Kongsberg NSM anti-ship missiles mounted on the tank. The LCS 10 Gabrielle Giffords thus became the first US Navy ship to receive these missiles in service.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:41 am

    Such a modern stealthy looking bow and then that gun and those missile launchers look so out of place and unstealthy... and that pipe with the blue water stains... is that their toilet duck keeping their loo water fresh and germ free pumped straight into the ocean?

    Looks like it needs a good coat of paint...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:52 am

    that gun and those missile launchers look so out of place and unstealthy...

    Why can't they cover it with some outer shell to blend it with superstructure/hull? Right before lunch, it could open/be removed.

    Update: https://www.insider.com/navy-aircraft-carrier-john-f-kennedy-seal-has-mq25-drone-2019-11


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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:18 pm

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    US Navy proposes decommissioning first 4 LCS more than a decade early



    They finnaly admit it sucks and it is useless. lol1 So that's like 1 billion $ at the garbage right ?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:21 pm

    They could be sold or transferred to the CG, so it may not be a total loss.
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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:47 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They could be sold or transferred to the CG, so it may not be a total loss.

    No they could oblige someone to buy it like Japan or Poland. Not the same. Coast guards won't take them they are much more expensive to operate than normal CG ships without bringing anything new.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:20 pm

    Taiwan, Vietnam, KSA, Qatar, Israel, & some L. Americans may be happy to buy them too.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:42 am

    They might be failed... ie useless for their intended role, but they do contain secret technology and design features that would mean they wouldn't be allowed to be sold to just anyone... it is like they wont sell old F-117s to Egypt... while a country they might sell them to... like Israel or Australia might not have an actual use for them and therefore decline the offer. (Japan tends to prefer to make its own versions of US gear... which normally turn out to be eye wateringly expensive... but they don't care... it is money spent in their economy so it doesn't really matter....)
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:25 pm

    In 10-5 years, anything is possible. They may also sell them to Egypt, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Indonesia or Ukraine,if it still exists by then.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:38 pm


    They finnaly admit it sucks and it is useless. lol1 So that's like 1 billion $ at the garbage right ?

    Have seen youtube videos where the author claimed more like 17 billion has been wasted on LCS ships... so there is rather more invested in these vessels than that...

    In 10-5 years, anything is possible. They may also sell them to Egypt, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Indonesia or Ukraine,if it still exists by then.

    I doubt they will sell them to anyone... they will pretty much have to strip them of their entire contents as either being too secret or faulty or both, and considering their price there is no country that could afford to buy them at a price that would approach what they cost, so the amount of return you would get is not likely going to be worth it.

    The few countries that might be interested in a look would be the countries the US is way to paranoid to let any where near them... and I suspect their interest would be more regarding amusement than professional interest anyway.
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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:51 pm

    Egypt, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Indonesia or Ukraine

    None of them has 500 million $ for a ship armed with a 57mm gun.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:33 pm

    It's up in the air, but we r talking about only the first 4 LCS https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/12/24/us-navy-proposes-decommissioning-first-4-lcs-more-than-a-decade-early/

    Japan could buy some of them- they have a huge EEZ with many small islands & may need more ships to deploy in the W. Pac. & the Indian Ocean. https://www.russiadefence.net/t7582p25-japanese-navy#271420

    Even if they r sold for pennies, the cost of maintaining them in reserve would be saved. A few countries may sign modification, maintenance & upgrade contracts with US firms as well.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:01 pm

    5 changes the Navy and Marine Corps can make to take on China

    I don't think it'll help them much: even if those SC Sea islands r taken, China can bombard them with BMs until they leave & retake them.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:56 pm

    Update: https://www.janes.com/article/93837/bell-boeing-flies-first-osprey-for-us-navy
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:29 am

    Even if they r sold for pennies, the cost of maintaining them in reserve would be saved. A few countries may sign modification, maintenance & upgrade contracts with US firms as well.

    Yeah, the reason they want to get rid of them is because they will be expensive to operate or modify or upgrade and they really are no good for their intended purpose.

    The chance of anyone else finding a use for them except as a dive wreck is pretty slim...

    Japan could buy some of them- they have a huge EEZ with many small islands & may need more ships to deploy in the W. Pac. & the Indian Ocean

    My understanding is that the Jap navy is already modern and relatively well equipped... why would they want these dogs?

    They have a history of making their own designs based on US designs like the F-15 and F-16 variations and tanks etc, they don't normally take US military surplus crap.

    Even if they r sold for pennies, the cost of maintaining them in reserve would be saved. A few countries may sign modification, maintenance & upgrade contracts with US firms as well.

    It is well known the US MIC makes a lot of money off service contracts with inflated prices that are effectively bribes to the US... not many countries would put up with such blatantly obvious crap though.

    I don't think it'll help them much: even if those SC Sea islands r taken, China can bombard them with BMs until they leave & retake them.

    Little value in trying to take them because supporting them would be expensive and complicated by Chinese actions to get them back...

    Update: https://www.janes.com/article/93837/bell-boeing-flies-first-osprey-for-us-navy

    Wow.... all that time you spent trying to convince me Russia should have a tilt rotor aircraft and the USN didn't even operate one... what a phoney. Embarassed
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:57 pm

    They r & will be using the USMC V-22s for COD till the navy version is built in sufficient #s.
    http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-01-25/100_usnavy25012020.html?print=Y

    https://www.janes.com/article/93924/us-navy-deploys-triton-uav-for-first-time


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:12 am

    https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/03/07/destroyers-left-behind-us-navy-cancels-plans-to-extend-service-lives-of-its-workhorse-ddgs/

    Canceled plans to extend life of 27 burke class destroyers (flight I and early flight II ships) from 35 to 45 years, so quite a bit of ships will be retired starting from 2026.

    US has currently 62 burke class destroyers, 8 are being built and 13 additional ships (including 11 of the new variant flight III) have been approved for construction.
    Apparently there was plans for building up to 42 ships of the latest (Flight III) variant, also because there is no replacement for this class (the zumwalt class has been an overexpensive failure).

    It is not yet clear what they will do with the Ticonderoga class cruisers too (if they approve the life extension plans) . The US navy has 22 of them and if they don't extend their life they will have start retiring them next year, when the oldest of them turns 35 (the youngest Ticonderoga class cruiser is 26 and will turn 35 in 2029)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:38 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/03/07/destroyers-left-behind-us-navy-cancels-plans-to-extend-service-lives-of-its-workhorse-ddgs/

    Canceled plans to extend life of 27 burke class destroyers (flight I and early flight II ships) from 35 to 45 years, so quite a bit of ships will be retired starting from 2026.

    US has currently 62 burke class destroyers,  8 are being built and 13 additional ships (including 11 of the new variant flight III)  have been approved for construction.
    Apparently there was plans for building up to 42 ships of the latest (Flight  III) variant, also because there is no replacement for this class (the zumwalt class has been an overexpensive failure).

    It is not yet clear what they will do with the Ticonderoga class cruisers too (if they approve the life extension plans) . The US navy has 22 of them and if they don't  extend their life they will  have start retiring them next year, when the oldest of them turns 35 (the youngest Ticonderoga class cruiser is 26 and will turn 35 in 2029)

    Just as the INF Treaty dies they plan on retiring nearly half of their Arleigh Burke fleet starting in 2026? Seems counterproductive.dunno
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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:09 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/03/07/destroyers-left-behind-us-navy-cancels-plans-to-extend-service-lives-of-its-workhorse-ddgs/

    Canceled plans to extend life of 27 burke class destroyers (flight I and early flight II ships) from 35 to 45 years, so quite a bit of ships will be retired starting from 2026.

    US has currently 62 burke class destroyers,  8 are being built and 13 additional ships (including 11 of the new variant flight III)  have been approved for construction.
    Apparently there was plans for building up to 42 ships of the latest (Flight  III) variant, also because there is no replacement for this class (the zumwalt class has been an overexpensive failure).

    It is not yet clear what they will do with the Ticonderoga class cruisers too (if they approve the life extension plans) . The US navy has 22 of them and if they don't  extend their life they will  have start retiring them next year, when the oldest of them turns 35 (the youngest Ticonderoga class cruiser is 26 and will turn 35 in 2029)

    Just as the INF Treaty dies they plan on retiring nearly half of their Arleigh Burke fleet starting in 2026? Seems counterproductive.dunno

    It shows what a joke the INF was. The US used the ridiculous sea-borne exemption to push the intermediate range missiles onto ships.

    They no longer have to do this so they can scrap the costly fleet of INF busters. Parking the nuclear tipped cruise missiles onto
    Polish, Romanian and other retard soil is cheap and easy. The launchers are there already and they were deployed when the INF
    was still active, so they were full on violations.

    No treaty with the US has any value. They always cheat and negotiate compromised terms which they can abuse. And they can
    extract themselves from any obligations on a moment's notice. So what is the f*cking point of abiding by any treaty that the
    USA uses as a disposable fig leaf?

    The only thing that works to force US compliance to any sort of sane international behaviour is fear induced by deployed facts
    on the ground.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:12 pm

    The US is preparing to cede the oceans to China
    ..the US military budget for 2021 provides for the formation in the marine corps of mobile batteries for land-based anti-ship systems based on the Oshkosh L-ATV wheeled armored vehicle. Raytheon Corporation, together with the Norwegian company Kongsberg, developed a system for launching NSM (Naval Strike Missile) anti-ship missiles with a range of 3 to 185 kilometers.
    As planned by the command, the mobile units of the marine corps will be able to secretly land on the islands to organize anti-ship ambushes there. Such tactics have proven themselves in the partisan formations of the Hussites in Yemen against the Saudi and Emirate fleets. Now it intends to take over and the US Marine Corps.

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2884347.html
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:42 pm

    It might be my imagination but does she look as if she has the German disease, listing on a straight course?

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    Post  Isos Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:09 pm

    It's at full speed. You can't know. US are used to build them I don't think they will have such issues.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:00 pm

    What is a carrier but a cruise ship to frighten the natives?

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 pm

    The ammo lifts don't work, the arrester wire system is flaky and now this. Beyond parody yet they still ordered 4 more.

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