Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+45
Walther von Oldenburg
sepheronx
Airbornewolf
Kiko
TMA1
Yugo90
Hole
Krepost
Big_Gazza
ALAMO
calripson
lancelot
mavaff
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E
RTN
The_Observer
elconquistador
Backman
jhelb
Sujoy
lyle6
PhSt
JohninMK
Stealthflanker
magnumcromagnon
ahmedfire
franco
Hannibal Barca
TheArmenian
d_taddei2
Viktor
crod
miketheterrible
starman
George1
PapaDragon
Cyberspec
Mindstorm
GarryB
medo
yavar
flamming_python
nomadski
Isos
kvs
49 posters

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Kiko
    Kiko


    Posts : 2866
    Points : 2910
    Join date : 2020-11-11
    Age : 75
    Location : Brasilia

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Kiko Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:23 pm

    The US is starting a new hopeless war, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 12.20.2023.

    An entire coalition is assembled by the United States for a military operation with force that threatens all world trade. In fact, Washington declared a new war thousands of kilometers from its borders. And this war will most likely again be unsuccessful for America. Why?

    The United States launched Operation Prosperity Sentinel. Its goal is to fight against the Yemeni Ansar Allah movement (commonly referred to simply as the Houthis), which controls North Yemen. The Houthis' actions, according to US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, "threaten the free flow of trade, endanger innocent sailors and violate international law."

    The fact is that the Houthis have found an original way to punish Israel for its operation in the Gaza Strip. The Yemenis declared as their legal target all ships that sailed through the Red Sea to Israeli ports, and managed to damage several of them, and even capture one. At the same time, they had no intention of stopping. “We will continue to prevent all ships from entering Israeli ports until the food and medicine that our people so desperately need are delivered to the Gaza Strip,” the movement said.

    “The Houthis have become the only force that demonstrates, not in words but in deeds, their rejection of Israel’s policies towards the Gaza Strip. And this raises their reputation in the eyes of Muslims. Moreover, the Houthis' military operations signal to their opponents that the movement is not only alive, but also strong. And this is important in the context of ongoing negotiations on ending the war in Yemen between the Houthis and Saudi Arabia,” Arabic political scientist Leonid Isaev explains to the VZGLYAD newspaper the logic of the Houthis.

    Their attacks have already caused serious economic damage to Israel. But not only for Israel.

    Yes, the Houthis said that they would only attack ships going to the ports of the Jewish state. That no harm will come to those going to other ports. However, four of the five largest container shipping companies (Maersk, Hapag-Lloyd, CMA CGM Group and Evergreen) have temporarily suspended operations throughout the Red Sea. That is, also to the ports of Egypt, Jordan, Sudan and Saudi Arabia. British Petroleum has joined the refusal of shipping in the region. Given that a significant portion of global trade flows through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal (in particular, the sea route between Asia and Europe), the Houthis have created a threat to all global trade.

    The United States considered itself entitled to defend this trade. They convened a coalition of countries that must “restore security in the Red Sea and prevent acts of aggression by the Houthis.” In addition to the Americans, the coalition included Canadians, Italians, British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Bahrainis and even Norwegians and residents of the Seychelles.

    But will the Americans and their newly created coalition be able to defeat the Houthis? Experts highly doubt this. “This coalition led by the United States can significantly reduce the number of attacks by the Houthis, but will not be able to fully ensure the safety of navigation,” international political scientist and RIAC expert Elena Suponina explains to the VZGLYAD newspaper.

    Firstly, because the Houthis are not a new incarnation of Somali pirates, from whom it was possible to protect civilian ships simply by sinking boats with bandits on board. It is a powerful, cohesive military movement armed with missiles, drones and other means to sink naval targets. And both civilian and military.

    “Yemen has already responded to this statement. Houthi representatives said they were not at all intimidated by the coalition. That they have all the necessary capabilities to give an adequate response to any actions directed against them and against Yemen. And this is not just a bluff, but words behind which there is a real understanding of their resources and capabilities,” says Leonid Isaev.

    In fact, coalition ships that will be in the Red Sea will themselves become targets for Yemeni missiles (which the Houthis have already warned about).

    And the Americans are unlikely to risk conducting a ground operation against them. “It’s generally difficult to deal with any armed groups in Yemen, given the Yemeni military traditions and the terrain,” says Elena Suponina.

    In the mid-2000s, Saudi Arabia, we recall, created a large coalition for the war against the Houthis, invested tens and hundreds of billions of dollars in this war, brought in mercenaries from Africa and the Middle East, involved Islamic terrorist groups in the operation - and still could not break the Houthis. As a result, she is now forced to conduct peaceful negotiations with them.

    “To stop the Houthis, we need a new real, consolidated operation by the Americans, the Saudis and their allies. But it’s hard for me to imagine this operation against the backdrop of the existing crisis in Ukraine and Gaza. And it’s not a fact that this will lead to results. The result will only be if the population of North Yemen stops supporting the Houthis - and I can’t imagine such a scenario,” says Leonid Isaev.

    Secondly, the composition of the coalition turned out to be specific. It did not include either the Egyptians and Jordanians suffering from the Yemeni actions, or the leaders of the region - the Saudis. There is no Middle Eastern country there at all except Bahrain. It turns out that none of them wanted to defend their region, their sea and their interests from the Houthis together with the Americans.

    Partly because they understand the futility of such an idea. Partly because they fear a backlash from the Houthis. Partly because to oppose the Houthis would mean, in this particular case, to oppose their demands to unblock the Gaza Strip. This means that it is against the Palestinian cause as such, which no Arab country is ready for. Even the official leadership of Yemen, which did not support the US military operation against the Houthis (with whom this leadership is, in fact, at war), is not ready.

    However, the skepticism of Middle Eastern players is determined by one more point. They all understand that the real motive of the Americans is not so much the fight against the Houthis as an attempt to organize a war with Iran (whose ally the Houthis are considered).

    Washington, in fact, is not really hiding this - the Americans have already blamed Tehran for destabilizing the situation in the Red Sea. "Iran's support for Houthi attacks on commercial shipping must end," Lloyd Austin says . And if roughly 10 years ago Saudi Arabia might have supported the idea of ​​creating such an anti-Iranian coalition, now the situation has changed.

    American support for the Israelis and Iranian support for the Palestinians has made any cooperation with the United States against Iran extremely toxic for Arab countries. In addition, Saudi Arabia is now in the difficult, but vitally important for the kingdom, process of normalizing relations with Iran, launched through the mediation of the Chinese. And he is not going to disrupt this process with an attack on Iranian proxies.

    “The most dangerous thing is that the actions of the American coalition could seriously undermine the emerging improvement in relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran. The US is once again bringing discord to the region. In contrast to China, which relied on reconciliation between various forces and states. In fact, the actions of the United States again put us in front of the danger of a big war in the Middle East,” says Elena Suponina.

    And no one needs this war. Except, of course, the United States with its Western allies and Israel.

    https://vz.ru/world/2023/12/20/1245185.html

    GarryB, starman and Hole like this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:30 pm

    "Israel's Eliat Port, due to the attacks has suffered an 80% drop in revenue after the Houthi blockade. Looks like the Houthis are getting what they wanted..."

    https://middleeastmonitor.com/20231219-israel-revenue-from-eilat-port-drops-by-80-due-to-houthi-red-sea-attacks/

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 GBvwMYzWcAALCvE?format=jpg&name=small


    🇮🇱 Israeli media:

    "The Houthis are doing enormous damage to Israel's economy"

    The threat of the Yemeni army leads to an almost complete closure of economic activity in the port of Eilat, harming its revenues and the activity of employees, suppliers and contractors.

    The Israeli financial newspaper Globes reported that Israeli shipping companies have lost around 23% of their market value, representing a loss of billions of dollars.

    .............

    Malaysia announced that the 🇮🇱Israeli shipping company "ZIM" will be prohibited from today docking.

    The biggest shipping company in Israel .

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 GBx7h3sWcAAtJkq?format=jpg&name=small

    Susan Sakmar
    @SusanSakmar
    “A hefty 20% of global container volumes, 10% of seaborne trade and 8-10% of seaborne gas and oil pass through the Red Sea and Suez route. If unresolved, the crisis will cause a supply-chain crunch.”👀 #shipping 🚢#RedSea #Houthi #containers #oil #tankers #LNG #USLNG #LPG #OOTT #ONGT

    GarryB, ahmedfire, starman and Hole like this post

    Eugenio Argentina
    Eugenio Argentina


    Posts : 3077
    Points : 3081
    Join date : 2018-02-25

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty yemen red sea

    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:52 pm

    Chinese military ships in the Red Sea refused to help the cargo ships of the Zionist regime in Bab al-Mandab strait.

    The US tried to form a naval coalition against Yemen with extensive propaganda, but ultimately faced a heavy failure.

    GarryB, ahmedfire, starman and Hole like this post

    Kiko
    Kiko


    Posts : 2866
    Points : 2910
    Join date : 2020-11-11
    Age : 75
    Location : Brasilia

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Kiko Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:07 pm

    Borrell: The EU has decided to take part in the US operation in the Red Sea, by Alexey Rybin for RGRU. 12.20.2023.

    The EU countries decided to take part in the US operation in the Red Sea. This was stated by the head of European diplomacy, Josep Borrell, on the social network X (formerly Twitter; blocked in the Russian Federation).

    “Member states have agreed to contribute to the US Operation Prosperity Guardian through Operation Atalanta,” he wrote.

    According to Borrell, the decision was made at an extraordinary meeting of the permanent representatives of the EU countries, which the official convened personally.

    He also called the actions of Yemen's Houthis irresponsible and posing a threat to shipping in the Red Sea.

    It was previously reported that the United States is creating a military security alliance in the region with European and other partners. The Pentagon said Operation Prosperity Guardian is designed to better protect shipping from Houthi attacks.

    https://rg.ru/2023/12/20/borrel-es-reshil-priniat-uchastie-v-operacii-ssha-v-krasnom-more.html

    GarryB likes this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:49 pm

    Updates on this situation are now in two threads.

    This to me is the "Yemen Conflict" thread, as per the title, whilst these posts have nothing to do with the war, currently in abeyance, there.

    These updates are all about the effects of cutting maritime supplies to Israel due to their siege of Gaza, with the Yemen standing on their own in the Arab world trying to do something about it.

    Surely it is more appropriate to put them in the Gaza thread, which probably has a greater readership?

    Kiko likes this post

    George1
    George1


    Posts : 18339
    Points : 18836
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  George1 Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Updates on this situation are now in two threads.

    This to me is the "Yemen Conflict" thread, as per the title, whilst these posts have nothing to do with the war, currently in abeyance, there.

    These updates are all about the effects of cutting maritime supplies to Israel due to their siege of Gaza, with the Yemen standing on their own in the Arab world trying to do something about it.

    Surely it is more appropriate to put them in the Gaza thread, which probably has a greater readership?

    i just have transferred all the related posts about yemen/red sea here

    GarryB likes this post

    JohninMK dislikes this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:33 pm

    George1 wrote:

    i just have transferred all the related posts about yemen/red sea here

    I disagree. This Gaza relevant news will just disappear into this small, little read thread.

    Just to back up my view

    Commander of the Fifth Military District in Yemen, Major General Yousef Al-Madani 🇵🇸🇾🇪: “The Red Sea Front is part of the Palestinian front, and Yemen is an integral part of the battle for Palestine, and any escalation in Gaza is an escalation in the Red Sea, and any calm in Gaza is considered a calm in the Red Sea,” the general said.
    George1
    George1


    Posts : 18339
    Points : 18836
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  George1 Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    i just have transferred all the related posts about yemen/red sea here

    I disagree. This Gaza relevant news will just disappear into this small, little read thread.

    Just to back up my view

    Commander of the Fifth Military District in Yemen, Major General Yousef Al-Madani 🇵🇸🇾🇪: “The Red Sea Front is part of the Palestinian front, and Yemen is an integral part of the battle for Palestine, and any escalation in Gaza is an escalation in the Red Sea, and any calm in Gaza is considered a calm in the Red Sea,” the general said.

    this is your own view. After all, the yemenis are fighting each other over a decade now. What this has to do with israel and palestine?

    GarryB likes this post

    Kiko
    Kiko


    Posts : 2866
    Points : 2910
    Join date : 2020-11-11
    Age : 75
    Location : Brasilia

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Kiko Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:58 pm

    Why did the US cause a commotion in the Red Sea?, by Timofey Bordachev for VZGLYAD. 12.21.2023.

    By escalating the situation around the Red Sea, the US administration is trying to entertain voters with new war games. In the couple of decades since the Cold War, they have created their own perception of their ability to intervene in any regional conflict.

    One of the most difficult problems of international politics is that it is quite difficult for powers to reconcile their opinion of themselves with the way others see them. This is especially evident when the power and authority of the state are not destroyed as a result of a lost battle, but seem to slip between the fingers. In such cases, what would be a tragedy in other circumstances takes on tragicomic forms.

    Even if the Americans and their allies gathered from the pine forest strike Yemen and subject its unfortunate population to new suffering, no one in the world will be afraid. What a few years ago would have looked like a formidable confirmation of the power of the United States and the West for all other states, this time may well turn out to be yet another proof of the discrepancy between their claims and real capabilities.

    First of all, because the main goal of the entire US venture with a naval coalition against the Yemeni Houthis is not to solve an important problem for itself, but to show that the rapidly decrepit hegemon still enjoys authority. Let us, however, hope that the whole story with the so-called Operation Guardian of Prosperity will turn out to be empty chatter and will not lead to the death of civilians in Yemen.

    It would seem that we need to start with the fact that attacks by the Ansar Allah movement (Houthis) against ships associated with Israel or heading there do not pose any personal danger to the United States. These missile and naval drone attacks began shortly after the bloody conflict over the Gaza Strip erupted in October. At the moment, due to tensions in the Red Sea, no more than 5% of the total number of ships in the waters from Egyptian Alexandria to the coast of Somalia have changed their routes (went to Europe, bypassing Africa). Although there is reason to think that if the situation remains tense, global carriers will more actively avoid the Suez Canal.

    Another thing is more important: according to such an authoritative colleague as Alexey Bezborodov from the company Infranews, instability in this part of the World Ocean affects US trade with Asian countries by only 1-2%: the main goods go directly through the Pacific Ocean. The most important trade flows of the United States - China and the United States - Southeast Asia, therefore, are not affected in any way by the military activities of the Houthis. Therefore, by the way, for the United States, from a practical point of view, the decision of the Malaysian government to close its ports to ships flying the Israeli flag looks completely innocent - it also has nothing to do with American trade interests. Although it testifies to the growing independence of the countries of the World Majority, that is, it causes political damage to the United States.

    The Americans trade with the European Union across the Atlantic, as do the supplies of energy resources there, which have successfully supplanted Russian oil and gas. Europeans are potentially the ones who suffer from changes in ship traffic, but they have already had their share of suffering in modern international politics. Europe has lost energy cooperation with Russia, spends more than the United States on the Kiev regime, and generally limits itself in every possible way. But the position of the European Union in world affairs is such that no one is particularly concerned about its fate and problems.

    The EU countries themselves would never have decided to use force without American support and leadership. Firstly, they do not have sufficient military resources for this. And secondly, the Americans themselves will not allow Europe to do this. The more insecure the leader of the entire West feels, the more carefully he ensures that nothing happens there without his decisive participation.

    Who is bothered by all the commotion around the Bab el-Mandeb Strait is Saudi Arabia: its energy exports to the European Union go through the Red Sea. However, it is difficult to imagine that the United States is so eager to start a new regional war for the sake of the interests of its allies, especially those joining BRICS in January 2024. And for the oil monarchies of the Gulf, the start of active military operations will most likely create difficulties. So far, the Houthis have only attacked ships associated with Israel. In the event that a war starts against them, any ships that are within reach may suffer. Therefore, as in the case of the Palestinian tragedy, the Arab monarchies will prefer not to commit the matter on a huge scale, and then resolve the situation themselves.

    So, serious Western military activities in the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea do not have serious interested parties behind them. But despite this, the United States looks very decisive: it proclaimed the beginning of Operation Guardian of Prosperity and assembled under its leadership a naval coalition, the forces of which would be enough for a small “non-contact” war. In addition to the Americans, warships from France, Spain, Norway, Great Britain, Italy, Canada and the Netherlands are involved in the operation. Bahrain and the Seychelles provide their bases.

    In previous times, we would have witnessed another military aggression under a plausible pretext and with the goal of showing the whole world that the power of the United States will reach any fragile hut at the end of the world. Now, as naval experts note , an attack against the Houthis risks failing to achieve its main stated goal - to stop attacks on Israeli ships and restore calm on the seas. We have already talked about the start of the ground operation - no one in the West needs it.

    Why is all this being done? It seems that the United States acts out of impulses, rather than conscious goal setting. Firstly, Washington is driven by the desire to urgently come up with some kind of story that would distract public opinion in the West from the controversial situation around Ukraine. It's hard to argue against the fact that in recent weeks, the achievements of the United States and its allies in the fight against Russia have looked increasingly dubious. We, of course, should not take at face value the howls heard in Western newspapers about the “victory of Russia” and the completely deplorable situation of the Kyiv authorities. But given the military and economic circumstances “on the ground,” a certain amount of despondency is indeed present in the West.

    This means that voters urgently need to be entertained with new war games. In this regard, an article in one of the American magazines is indicative, where the headline ominously reports that Houthi attacks on merchant ships could deprive the residents of the European “Garden of Eden” of Christmas gifts. And it doesn’t matter at all that all the gifts were delivered to retail chains in October and sold last week.

    Secondly, the United States is acting out of inertia. In the couple of decades since the Cold War, they have created their own perception of their ability to intervene in any regional conflict without involving the international community. This actually worked out for quite a long time; the unfortunate fate of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya is proof of this. Now the West has much fewer resources, the willingness of the population to accept another costly war there has also decreased, and the world is becoming less and less governed by violence. However, the inertia of certain behavior remains, and it is the most difficult to change.

    In principle, Sullivan, Blinken, Secretary of Defense Austin and other figures forming the current US administration themselves understand how pointless the fuss they are engaged in is. This is even sometimes visible on their faces. But the self-image created in the USA and Europe does not yet come into contact with how things are in reality and how the rest of the international community sees them.

    This inertia will constantly force Washington to replace real actions with window dressing. In order for the two pictures to come closer, it takes time and many more events that push Americans to accept the world as it is. And in the coming days, we will all become witnesses to another escalation of horror in the Western media, decisive appearances to the press and reports of downed Houthi missiles.

    https://vz.ru/opinions/2023/12/21/1245411.html

    GarryB, franco and Hole like this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:46 pm

    Leader of Ansarullah, Abdul Malik Badr Al-Deen Al-Houthi: 'Since the very beginning we have been wishing for a direct war against the U.S. and Israel, this is a beloved thing for us and we have been dreaming of it, to fight them directly instead of fighting their mercenaries'.
    The US is sending a fleet to stabilize the situation in the Red Sea...
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:51 pm

    George1 wrote:

    this is your own view. After all, the yemenis are fighting each other over a decade now. What this has to do with israel and palestine?

    It is indeed my view.

    Your comment has just destroyed your own reasoning.

    If the "yemenis are fighting each other over a decade now. What this has to do with israel and palestine" why have you moved the Israel and Palestine related articles into this Yeminis fighting each other thread?
    nomadski
    nomadski


    Posts : 2803
    Points : 2811
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  nomadski Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:05 pm

    Well if it was that easy ! What a wonderful world ! Yemen mind it's own business ( they are a warlike tribe , wearing Daggers in their Belts ) and the Yanks mind their business ( They are after forever pointless wars ) and then the Israel stop bombing ( So the Iranians don't have to ) and perhaps we convince the Yanks to stop supporting the Orcs ( we like it to stop ) . Yes move a topic from one section to another , instant world peace ! What a wonderful world !



    JohninMK likes this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:07 pm

    A reminder of why these guys were/are colloquially called 'Flipflops'

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 GB4dZ8baIAAEgl7?format=jpg&name=small

    GarryB likes this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty temp yemen topic

    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:13 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:🇺🇸/🇮🇱/🇾🇪 Leader of Ansarullah, Abdul Malik Badr Al-Deen Al-Houthi: 'Since the very beginning we have been wishing for a direct war against the U.S. and Israel, this is a beloved thing for us and we have been dreaming of it, to fight them directly instead of fighting their mercenaries'

    ran Observer
    @IranObserver0
    ⚡BREAKING

    Coordination between Iran, China and Russia is booming, Ansarallah have been tremendously precise in not hitting non-western oil tankers says data firm Kpler

    According to MarineTraffic, Iranian and Russian oil as well as Chinese cargo ships and non-Western vessels in the Red Sea have increased since the Houthis began targeting Israel-linked vessels.

    The Chinese navy even ignored a distress call from a ship linked to Israel.

    starman, Eugenio Argentina and Hole like this post

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 39117
    Points : 39613
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:54 am

    I pretty much agree with this being in this thread, but if it was moved I would say it would be separate from the Gaza thread because it is not so much about the fighting in Gaza as it is an economic conflict against Israel for what they are doing to gaza.

    With the US trying to wade in and get into a shooting war with Iran I think this stuff fits better apart from the Palestinian fight against the Israelis.

    The first conflict is engineered by Israel... you can't do to Palestinians what they have done and are doing and not expect them to do this back.

    The posts going into this thread now are related to the second conflict which is the US wanting to get into a shooting fight with Iran, which they have also been pushing for for quite some time.

    The old story for both groups who were in political turmoil and think a good war will get them reelected and popular again and allow them to justify some harsher rules and laws to refill the coffers, when there is also a very real risk that this might serious damage the countries they are trying to represent.

    (Edit: plus the other thread is updated every other minute with two line updates, so I suspect a few posts about the situation off the coast of Yemen might just disappear and be missed. This thread keeps it together.)

    nomadski likes this post

    Kiko
    Kiko


    Posts : 2866
    Points : 2910
    Join date : 2020-11-11
    Age : 75
    Location : Brasilia

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Kiko Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:37 am

    The crisis in the Red Sea will force the West to bow to Russia, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 12.22.2023.

    The most humiliating thing is when you decide to punish and cancel someone, but life forces you to bow to him again. Perhaps this will happen to the famous manufacturer of furniture and household goods, IKEA, which at one time loudly slammed the door with a scandal and “significantly deprived millions of Russians of a breath of Western life.”

    Yesterday, IKEA said that due to the attacks on ships in the Red Sea, “there may be disruptions in supply chains and some items will be out of stock in stores due to logistics problems,” meaning that Western life may now be available to more than just everyone.

    What does Russia have to do with it?

    Let us recall that since the end of October, the Yemeni Houthis began regular attacks on commercial ships (mostly Israeli) traveling through the Red Sea, which was a response to the “disgusting Israeli-American aggression in Gaza.” But, as usual in such cases, everyone was targeted (except for one exception). Not wanting to take risks, deliveries through the Red Sea were almost simultaneously stopped by all the largest shipping and transport companies, among them: Danish Maersk, Swiss Mediterranean Shipping Company (MSC), German Hapag-Lloyd, French CMA CGM and oil and gas giant BP.

    The refuseniks, who account for more than half of the world's container traffic alone, are now feverishly considering new routes, including a circuitous route around Africa , via the Cape of Good Hope. But calculators and geography are stubborn things, they do not lend themselves to persuasion and pressure: for example, the round-Africa route extends the route from Asia to Europe by eight thousand kilometers and 10-14 days, purely in terms of fuel, it increases the cost of each “trip” by at least a million dollars (on average - by 15 percent).

    As a result, since the beginning of the actual transport blockade of the Red Sea by the Houthis, Western economies have already lost at least 35 billion dollars, the flow of goods through the Red Sea has decreased by 30 percent, panic has begun in Europe due to the rupture of logistics chains, the delivery of goods is becoming more expensive, which inevitably leads to higher prices . On fears of supply disruptions, stock prices for gas in Europe jumped by 10-13 percent, and oil prices are rising every day.

    Let us note that all this leapfrog has nothing to do with Russian ships calmly sailing through the Red Sea, which the Houthi radars, by a strange coincidence, cannot detect.

    Not possessing such anti-radar technologies, the United States urgently began to put together an international coalition to “ensure the safety of navigation in the Red Sea”, and in fact for military aggression against the Houthis, but against the backdrop of a general mobilization announced in Yemen and the start of mining by the Houthis of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait and Red Sea, the safe passage of ships in this region can be forgotten for the foreseeable future.

    But there is a route free from Houthis, mines and politics - the Russian Northern Sea Route, which Vladimir Putin recently recalled amid the groans of world carriers : “The Northern Sea Route is becoming a more efficient transport artery than the Suez Canal.”

    And this route is much shorter and cheaper than any of the shortest routes from Asia to Europe and vice versa. Let's take a map and calculator from the Maersk company and see: for example, the route from Japan to Murmansk is 6,000 nautical miles (just over 11,000 kilometers). The route from Japan to the nearest European ports via the Suez Canal is almost twice as long - 12,000 miles, or more than 22,000 kilometers. The journey from the ports of the Pacific region countries to Europe via Suez takes about 37 days, while through the Northern Sea Route from the main Asian ports to the same Great Britain you can sail in just 25 days. If we take the route from Rotterdam to Yokohama, the difference will be 13 days: 20 along the NSR versus 33 through the Suez Canal.

    This is a colossal saving of tens and hundreds of billions of dollars annually, and no politics or Russophobia can force large businesses (including IKEA) to ignore this opportunity.

    But Russia opens up very wide opportunities and gives the most serious guarantees. Russia is now in full swing implementing the federal project "Development of the Northern Sea Route", according to which cargo traffic along the NSR will increase to 80 million tons in 2024, by 2030 - to 110 million tons, and by 2035 - to 220 million tons. And these figures were announced long before the crisis in the Red Sea, which means they are guaranteed to be higher.

    Right now, a special satellite constellation is being created in the interests of the Northern Sea Route, and the icebreaker fleet is being developed at an accelerated pace, due to which, from 2024, navigation in the Arctic will become year-round.

    You may or may not believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin foresaw the crisis in the Red Sea, but back on July 20 of this year he gave instructions to quickly create “icebreakers of the largest class” for the Northern Sea Route. Until recently, it was difficult for standard oil tankers or gas carriers to navigate the NSR, because the icebreakers that are now being mass-produced at the Baltic Shipyard are narrower in width than they are. With the commissioning of large-class icebreakers, this issue will be removed, and it will be possible to completely redirect all trade cargo traffic from Asia to Europe and back through the Russian Arctic, thanks to which the Northern Sea Route has every opportunity to become a key transport corridor for exporting oil, liquefied natural gas, mineral fertilizers, metals and other products with high added value.

    As for the Arctic clones of the Houthis represented by the unfriendly countries of the Arctic region, we are ready to provide reliable protection to the international merchant fleet. In particular, this was transparently demonstrated in September of this year as part of an exercise to protect the Northern Sea Route with the firing of Vulcan, Granit and Oniks cruise missiles, in which about ten thousand military personnel and more than 50 units of military equipment and ships.

    This year alone, the volume of shippers’ applications for passage through the NSR has increased significantly, and the global crisis in the Middle East , in fact, is just beginning.

    This means that many of those who recently gloated or took part in anti-Russian sanctions will now experience the ancient Houthi proverb: “When the war comes, you will ask for bread.”

    https://ria.ru/20231222/poklon-1917335724.html

    GarryB and nomadski like this post

    nomadski
    nomadski


    Posts : 2803
    Points : 2811
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  nomadski Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:20 am

    I have struggled with the idea of maintaining economic links with states that are hostile or in a state of war with us . Sometimes I said " ...hit the Train , " and sometimes I said " don't hit the oil pipes . " you remember this . But perhaps more logically I said , in case of Ukraine for example " Identify the Farmers that help hide Orc equipment in their Barn , instead of storing feed and livestock and equipment in the open . And hit them , destroy their Barn ! " Or " Identify the arms manufacturers benefiting from Ukraine war , and Cyber- attack their Bank accounts ! "  Therefore offering to open new route  , is fine , but not for all Nations at all times or economic interest groups . Some Ships should be stuck in Red Sea now ! Ikea practically support Sweden policy against Russia ? You do not know ? Where is the economic intelligence unit ? What are they doing ? Where is the list of Farmers in Ukraine , hiding Orc equipment in their Barn ?

    Rolling Eyes

    GarryB likes this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:41 pm

    An on topic post, its not a dead thread yet a while.

    DD Geopolitics
    @DD_Geopolitics

    🇾🇪🇺 NEW: After 9 years, all factions in the Yemeni civil war have reached an agreement to work towards a permanent settlement to end the conflict - UN

    According to Hans Grundberg, special UN rapporteur to Yemen, the warring factions including the Houthis & the internationally recognized Yemeni government have agreed on three basic steps towards peace:

    1. A permanent nationwide ceasefire.
    2. The improvement of basic living conditions throughout the country.
    3. An inclusive political process under UN supervision.

    According to sources, negotiations regarding the political future of Yemen as a unified nation will begin in 2024, with a real possibility being the restoration of the country to its pre-1990 borders, which would mean the Houthis gaining legitimate rule over much of Western Yemen.

    franco, starman and nomadski like this post

    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 10813
    Points : 10791
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 48
    Location : Scholzistan

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Hole Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:58 pm

    An inclusive political process under UN supervision.
    pale

    GarryB, franco and JohninMK like this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:45 pm

    Not part of Yemini civil war but posted here as required.

    Durriksa
    @Durr_e_kissa
    BREAKING
    The US has once again suffered a major setback
    MAERSK, the world's largest shipping company, has once again suspended its activities in the Red Sea following continued Houthi attacks
    The US had given Maersk security guarantees that the US Navy would protect its ships
    11:54 AM · Dec 31, 2023
    ·
    731
    Views

    Iran Observer
    @IranObserver0
    ⚡BREAKING

    It has now been confirmed that the US destroyed three Houthi speedboats and killed the crew in the Red Sea

    This could lead to an all-out war between Yemen and the US.

    The Yemenis have warned that they are eager to go to war with the US and destroy the American military bases in the Middle East, which have been used against Yemen for a decade

    Tayyab Khan
    @MirTayyabAhmed
    The recent escalation in the Red Sea, with the US Navy destroying three Houthi speedboats and killing their crews, has indeed heightened tensions between Yemen and the United States. This development could potentially lead to an all-out war between the two nations.

    The Houthis have warned that they are eager to engage in a full-scale conflict with the US and target American military bases in the Middle East, which they claim have been used against Yemen for the past decade. This is a clear indication of the growing animosity between the two sides and the potential for further escalation.

    It is important to consider the broader implications of this conflict, as it could have significant consequences for regional stability and global trade. The Red Sea is a vital shipping route, and any disruption could have far-reaching effects.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:48 pm

    Back on topic. Not your normal military parade.

    franco, Airbornewolf, PapaDragon and zepia like this post

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 39117
    Points : 39613
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:29 am

    Two things I would say about that parade... when was the last time people with missing limbs got to be celebrated in a parade in the west?

    We have parades for poofters and dikes and now for people who are not sure which gender they are, but men with missing limbs are never paraded in public because the west are ashamed of them and their sacrifice.

    And secondly I would like to see them work with Russia to get some artificial limbs to make things easier for them moving forward.

    These are not birth deformities... these guys went through the violence of having their body parts cut or blown off their bodies defending their country, and it is sad that small minded people in the west are arrogant enough to probably laugh and make fun of them, like those Orc bastards in the trench with the downs syndrome boy.

    franco, Airbornewolf, zepia and JohninMK like this post

    Airbornewolf
    Airbornewolf


    Posts : 1504
    Points : 1570
    Join date : 2014-02-05
    Location : https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 01, 2024 4:23 am

    GarryB wrote:Two things I would say about that parade... when was the last time people with missing limbs got to be celebrated in a parade in the west?

    We have parades for poofters and dikes and now for people who are not sure which gender they are, but men with missing limbs are never paraded in public because the west are ashamed of them and their sacrifice.

    These are not birth deformities... these guys went through the violence of having their body parts cut or blown off their bodies defending their country, and it is sad that small minded people in the west are arrogant enough to probably laugh and make fun of them, like those Orc bastards in the trench with the downs syndrome boy.

    Thanks Garry, you hit it on the nail.

    GarryB, franco, PapaDragon and JohninMK like this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:50 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:

    Thanks Garry, you hit it on the nail.

    And why I posted it.

    A parade of real heroes, the ones with more than just skin in the game.

    GarryB and Airbornewolf like this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14786
    Points : 14923
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:17 pm

    Confirmation, not that you hear it in th Western MSN, that significant marine traffic is still using the Red Sea. Its just that they are friendly and/or have nothing to do with Israel.

    Not 100%. Strange that Laughing

    War Monitor
    @WarMonitors
    ⚡Bloomberg: Traffic in the Suez Canal decreased by 28% in the past 10 days
    12:32 PM · Jan 4, 2024
    ·
    72.4K
    Views

    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 GC_86n1XgAAxhiu?format=jpg&name=medium

    franco likes this post


    Sponsored content


    Yemeni Conflict: News #3 - Page 22 Empty Re: Yemeni Conflict: News #3

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue May 14, 2024 2:41 am