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    Yemeni Conflict: News #3

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    Post  nomadski Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:10 pm

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/164182/Iranian-MPs-to-escort-humanitarian-aid-ships-to-Yemen


    A few years back, at the start of Yemen war, Iran sent an aid ship. But was confronted with Saudi navy and turned back. At that time, the Iranians said that they did not have the naval forces needed to confront the coalition. I doubt, they sent this cargo, ready to be stopped this time. Which means, either they have developed naval forces to engage around Yemen. Or engagement by land in PG region. Or both. Someone said Yanks and EU, plan to evacuate embassy in Iraq......

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:38 pm

    It seems the Houthis  hit again .

    Yemeni Houthis say they fired missile at Saudi Aramco site in Jeddah


    Video showing the fire
    https://twitter.com/MohammadKhazem4/status/1330754988839227392

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:51 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:It seems the Houthis  hit again .

    Yemeni Houthis say they fired missile at Saudi Aramco site in Jeddah



    Every time someone mentions Jeddah I immediately think of this   lol1
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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:04 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:It seems the Houthis  hit again .

    Yemeni Houthis say they fired missile at Saudi Aramco site in Jeddah




    Every time someone mentions Jeddah I immediately think of this      lol1

    By the way this city has many air defence systems including Patriot and early warning radars , it's a surprise actually for this attack to succeed .

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:08 pm

    They said they used "Quds" the Iranian cruise missile

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:35 pm


    Saudis fireback using MLRS which seems just for show ,not effective.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:48 pm

    Both PAC-3 and Iron Dome have been eating dick lately, but Tor and Pantsir are the problem? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  medo Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:22 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Both PAC-3 and Iron Dome have been eating dick lately, but Tor and Pantsir are the problem? Rolling Eyes

    So Osa is the best. Osa shot down 62 drones in Artsakh.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:41 am

    The most important question is

    "Where were the Saudi's E-3 Sentry AWACS at that time".

    As Geography from Northern Yemen down to Saudi's Najran Province are mountainous or at least lots of hills.  Low flying cruise missiles would be hard to detect from the ground.

    Plus well, what can be expected from a Lone, probably Patriot battery in Najran ?

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    Coverage is of course would be difficult problem even against target flying at 100 km

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:08 am

    The yellow circle is wrong. Patriot can't civer 360°.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:19 am

    Isos wrote:The yellow circle is wrong. Patriot can't civer 360°.

    And what ? Is providing a contour plot for "real" coverage would better help explaining the Low altitude coverage problem of Patriot ?
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    Post  crod Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:06 pm

    Houtis have just been declared a terrorist organisation by the yanks.
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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:25 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:The most important question is

    "Where were the Saudi's E-3 Sentry AWACS at that time".

    As Geography from Northern Yemen down to Saudi's Najran Province are mountainous or at least lots of hills.  Low flying cruise missiles would be hard to detect from the ground.

    Plus well, what can be expected from a Lone, probably Patriot battery in Najran ?

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    Coverage is of course would be difficult problem even against target flying at 100 km

    For a while when i looked to your map , i saw Eritrea where Iran has a base there or rented some lands .

    They could use it to launch a drone or even to lauch it from a commercial deck in the Red Sea .
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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:28 pm

    Isos wrote:The yellow circle is wrong. Patriot can't civer 360°.

    They use it on battalion level to solve the sector issue ,more costly of course .

    Also they have other 360 supporting radars that share the data with Patriot .

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    Post  ahmedfire Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:39 pm

    Could be done by Houthi

    Oil Tanker Hit By Mine Explosion Near Saudi Arabia

    An oil tanker was damaged in the Red Sea near Saudi Arabia after a mine exploded on Wednesday, the Associated Press reported, citing the tanker’s operator and a maritime security company.

    The MT Agrari oil tanker, managed by a Greek company and flying a Maltese flag, was damaged by a mine off the Saudi city of Shuqaiq near Yemen.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:00 am

    Could be done by Houthi

    If it really was a mine it is unlike the Houthi would risk that because the chances of getting the target you are after is pretty low... if they sank a US vessel or other psychotic country likely to seek revenge then the results would not be worth it.

    If it was an ATGM fired at the waterline... so they could therefore specifically target a ship, or a command detonated underwater explosive then it might be them.

    To get 360 degree coverage with patriot you need at least three launchers each covering 120 degrees.

    A four launcher battery however is a bit wasted in that regard as to cover all directions an attack from one direction means you can't use all your missiles to defend yourself.
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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:12 pm

    A four launcher battery however is a bit wasted in that regard as to cover all directions an attack from one direction means you can't use all your missiles to defend yourself.

    The missiles on the opposite side could be fired but it will take a lot of fuel to turn a high degree which could make it short range and more weak .
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:50 pm

    Five Years In, Saudi Arabia Is Signaling It Wants Out of Yemen

    Ryan Bohl
    Middle East and North Africa Analyst, Stratfor
    Nov 24, 2020 | 22:35 GMT


    Saudi Arabia’s window to exit the conflict in Yemen without jeopardizing all of its gains is quickly closing, as the United States transitions to a less Riyadh-friendly government, and as Houthi rebels seek deeper concessions on the ground. On Nov. 17, Saudi Arabia reportedly offered the Houthis a buffer zone along the Saudi-Yemeni border in exchange for drawing down its forces in the country. This move marks a significant downgrade to the original Saudi objectives in the country, as well as a tacit acknowledgment of the likely longevity of the Houthi political and military presence in Yemen. ...


    This was quite interesting but the rest is behind a paywall.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:20 am

    Doesn't look like mine damage.

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    : An image of the hull damage sustained by the Maltese-flagged, Greek-owned, LR2/Aframax tanker MT AGRARI at the Shuqaiq Steam Power Plant discharge jetty on 25 Nov at around 0300 LT.



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    It was an Iranian made sea mine by the name Sadaf=Seashell

    The explosion happened on the left and the sheet went inward, the explosion made a pressure internally and pushed the right sheet outward.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:41 am

    The missiles on the opposite side could be fired but it will take a lot of fuel to turn a high degree which could make it short range and more weak .

    AFAIK the launchers have 120 degree field of engagement and are not designed to allow over the shoulder shots at things behind them...

    Doesn't look like mine damage.

    No it doesn't but they have already named the mine they claim is responsible....

    Sadaf... which is Iranian for Novachok it seems perhaps?

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:41 am

    Israel obviously not expecting to need them at home.

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    Two Hawker 800 aircraft used by the Israeli Air Force as early warning systems against ballistic missiles have taken off from Tel Aviv south towards the Red Sea


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Israel obviously not expecting to need them at home.

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    Two Hawker 800 aircraft used by the Israeli Air Force as early warning systems against ballistic missiles have taken off from Tel Aviv south towards the Red Sea


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    The funny thing is the Saudi's have AWACS aircraft too, but it hasn't helped them much either.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:23 pm

    AFAIK the launchers have 120 degree field of engagement and are not designed to allow over the shoulder shots at things behind them...

    Check the below video on minute 1:46 , the missile is making a high turn seems to behind .

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:33 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Israel obviously not expecting to need them at home.

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    Two Hawker 800 aircraft used by the Israeli Air Force as early warning systems against ballistic missiles have taken off from Tel Aviv south towards the Red Sea


    The funny thing is the Saudi's have AWACS aircraft too, but it hasn't helped them much either.
    I'm not sure these two are configured as AWACS aircraft. I can't find them in the IAF lists.
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    Post  Isos Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:48 pm

    Israeli have AWACS too. But just like any other country they can't keep them airborne all the time.

    AWACS radar will also be detected by iranian passive detectors and allow them to know when to launch the attack (when they don't detect anything).

    And they probably have intel' from Russia about israel AD positions.

    IMO Iran will use cruise missiles instead of ballistic missiles. Much easier to succeed and already used against Saudi Arabia.

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