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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:One of the SaudiAF aircrew survived and is now a captive. I won't show the pictures as he lost blood though his mouth and his beard looks a mess. Could have been caused by the impacts of ejection and landing.

    No good reason to hurt him, he is very valuable as a hostage, in traditional Arab (and others) negotiations.

    Ejection is a violent procedure but then so was getting hit with the SAM.
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    Post  medo on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:35 pm

    https://southfront.org/first-look-at-houthis-modified-anti-aircraft-missiles-videos-photos/

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    Thaqib-3

    The Thaqib-3 is also a modified air-to-air missile. However, a much more advanced missile, the Russian-made RVV-AE.

    Unlike the R-73E and R-27T, the RVV-AE is guided by active radar homing. The missile is also equipped with an inertial navigation system with mid-course update.

    While the RVV-AE’s advanced features make it a bit harder to launch from ground-based vehicles, this remains completely possible thanks to the missile’s advanced on-board multi-function doppler-monopulse radar seeker.

    The RVV-AE was designed to engage targeted beyond line of sight, with a range of 80-100 km. However, the variant presented by the Houthis have a range of 20 km only, likely because the RVV-AE was designed to be launched from air.

    The effeteness of Thaqib-1 and 2 against fighter jets remain very limited due to the presence of heat countermeasures. The RVV-AE, however, is not affected by such jamming means. This and the missile’s longer range makes it perfect for engaging fighter jets.

    The Thaqib-3 may have been used by the Houthis to shot down a Tornado IDS fighters jet of the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) over northern Yemen last week.

    The Houthis likely obtained R-27T, R-73E and RVV-AE missiles from the stockpiles of the Yemeni Air Force in 2015. The Yemeni Air Force used to operate these types of air-to-air missiles, and others like the R-27R, on its Mig-29SMTs.

    It seems Houtis start using RVV-AE R-77 AA missiles as air defense missiles which have range of 20 km, quite similar to NASAMs. If it will be confirmed truth, that Tornado was shot down by R-77, than it will be the first kill for this missile.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:15 pm

    The SAMs in action

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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:24 pm

    That means direct involvement of some russian engineers because using heat seaking missile is one thing and using an advanced ARH missile is another.

    That supposes either having a ground based radar giving informations to the missile because such missile can't be used like a fire and forget IR missile or they changed the software which is impossible without russians.

    Fire and forget is also possible with r-77, it starts using its radar before launch but the target must be close like in a dogfight less than 5km. If they want to use it further away like the 20km they talk about they need a radar to give some informations to the missile with mid course updates.

    Another theory could be that they took the electronics and radar from mig-29 and mounted it on the ground which is easier for houtis with iranian help.

    Iranian don't use the r-77 so they are not familiar with it and can't change the software.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:57 am

    Couple more for you Isos  Very Happy

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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Couple more for you Isos  Very Happy

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    Too easy ! It's the kub, the ancestor of the buk, taken from yemen's air defence stock. I wonder if they have people to man them because its not easy and automated like modern air defence system.

    But there is a realistic simulation game, with videos on youtube, that can teach you how to use it. I guess they use that Very Happy .
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:53 am

    The graphics would be impressive.... so realistic...
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:47 am

    Taken from MoA today, part of an article on Saudi.

    Lastly the war MbS still wages in Yemen has taken a bad turn for him. Not only do the Houthi now have air defense missiles (vid), but they also proved that they can use them effectively when they took down a Saudi fighter jet. Last week the Houthi, also known as Ansar Allah, conquered Hazm, the capital of Jawf governorate and all inhabited parts of the oil rich province fell to them. This will have strategic consequences:

       The liberation of Jawf province provided a very suitable condition for attack and dominance on strategic province of Marib. If Ansar Allah also capture the Marib, will cut the Saudi’s main supplies path from north to south of Yemen, and only the path of Al Mahrah province will remain for Saudis; also taking the control of Marib is meaning that Ansar Allah dominance on all of Northern Republic of Yemen geography; and also the most main base of Saudi coalition for Riyadh rulers will be destroyed; and practically will happen a certain failure for Saudi Arabia and after that, Yemeni army will take step for capturing the remained regions of Taiz and Aden provinces, with concentration and complete self-confidence.


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    Red - Ansar Allah, Blue - Saudi proxy government, Green - al Qaeda and tribes


    Saudi Arabia is also occupying the eastern governorate al Mahrah along the border with Oman. It wants to build an oil pipeline to Yemen's coast that would allow Saudi oil exports to avoid the trip through the narrow Hormuz Straits. But local tribes in the al Mahrah are against the occupation and they have recently taken up arms against the Saudi army.

    MbS's little adventure has cost Saudi Arabia several billions per month. Despite all the money spent on it the Saudi army and its proxies are on the path to losing the war. The know this well. Recently the Saudis asked the Trump administration to intervene at the UN to stop all aid to Houthi held areas. The UN will likely resist such pressure. The Saudi blockade of Houthi held areas has already cost hundreds of thousands of Yemeni their lives.


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    Post  nomadski on Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:46 pm

    Looks to me that, unless there is very good reason for capturing Marib, that best plan for Ansar Allah to defeat Saudi, is to strike towards Abyan from their position in Laudar. The distance of their forces from coast, in almost all of the front, is roughly equidistant. Yet closing this gap, will liberate largest area, with smallest gain of land mass. All that needs to be done then is to use a few  special drone, to stop Saudi supply ship in port of Aden. And move a little closer to airfield to use new SAM, to stop air supply.
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    Post  starman on Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:05 pm

    Are US and British troops moving into Aden to bolster the Saudi position in Yemen? So says a tweet; can anyone confirm or refute this?
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:54 pm

    starman wrote:Are US and British troops moving into Aden to bolster the Saudi position in Yemen? So says a tweet; can anyone confirm or refute this?

    I saw that as well. Where was your tweet?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:05 am

    Fire and forget is also possible with r-77, it starts using its radar before launch but the target must be close like in a dogfight less than 5km. If they want to use it further away like the 20km they talk about they need a radar to give some informations to the missile with mid course updates.

    The radar sensor in the R-77 is supposed to be able to detect and track targets from 15-20km range, but I doubt people on the ground could spot targets 20km away to align the nose radar of the missile to get a lock.

    I would expect they would need to get a lock before launching the missile because lock on after launch requires another radar (normally the launch aircrafts radar) to detect and track the target generating interception data for the missile so the missile is launched and flys on autopilot towards the intercept point based on the radar tracking information from the aircrafts radar.. in absence of that radar the R-77 could also be used simply by getting a target lock before launch... which is how I would expect the houtis to be doing it... simply the IRST or helmet mounted sight or radar detects and tracks a target at very close range and the radar in the missile is directed to use that information to look and get a lock... once locked the missile is launched and homes in on the target to impact... much like an IR guided missile.

    The engine power of the R-77 would give it rather good flight range so an IR sensor like an IRST could be used to lock targets out to 15-20km as long as they are closing targets... receeding targets would be a waste of a missile because it would run out of energy before it gets to them if they are flying away.

    The radar sensor of the R-77 would probably perform better at longer ranges than IR sensors on the other AAMs mentioned too.
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    Post  starman on Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    I saw that as well. Where was your tweet?

    I didn't reply on twitter.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:04 pm

    starman wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    I saw that as well. Where was your tweet?

    I didn't reply on twitter.
    Sorry, wrong way round. Who put up the original tweet claiming it?
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:10 am

    Not sure I believe it. Four Patriots??? What's a 'Harvey'?

    The Emirati-backed separatists in southern Yemen say hundreds of US and British forces have arrived in the port city of Aden as the first batch of a large military force that Washington and London seek to deploy to the Arab country’s resource-rich areas under the guise of fighting terrorism.

    According to Fadi al-Murshidi, media official of the so-called Southern Transitional Council (STC), some 450 US and British soldiers arrived in Aden, al-Masa press reported.

    Murshidi said that Washington and London — staunch backers of the Saudi regime’s war on Yemen — plan to deploy 3,000 troops in Aden, al-Anad base in Lahj province, Socotra Island in the Arabian Sea, Hadhramaut, al-Mahrah and Shabwah provinces, under the pretext of combating terrorism.

    Local media reported that a US force consisted of 110 soldiers reinforced by 10 Black Hawk aircraft, 30 Harvey armored vehicles, four Patriot air defense systems and an integrated field operations room had reached the coast of Balhaf in the oil-producing Shabwa province.


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    Post  nomadski on Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:42 am

    Yes I heard, Ansar Allah pushing East into Marib. Capturing some hill tops. Close to Marib city area. I guess because of oil?  But they can not keep oil, in war. Nobody can. It will be hit. More important to stop arms shipment to separatist. Force them into political solution. Then share oil. Better move south to encircle Aden. Yank and Co are leaving ME region. Areas more rich in oil, like Iraq. I don't think they have staying power. Sending a weak force of few hundred being sent in. Even in Syria, with defacto partition, oil well still hit. Not viable. In Yemen, no such defacto partition. Oil will be hit.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:49 pm

    Division between religious sects, as well north and southerners in Yemen is so intense that i think partition is unavoidable
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:26 pm

    The SaudiMights just got a serious shellacking during the Houthi Al Jawf operation:





    The Saudi army suffered another defeat from the Hussites in Yemen: some details of the outcome of the battle of Al-Hazm
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    Some details of the fighting in the area of ​​Al-Hazma and Wadi Wasit in Yemen appeared. According to the initial data, the Hussite armed groups attacked the government forces of the country and their Saudi allies in the area. Further extremely contradictory reports began to arrive. However, there was a general point in these reports. This concerned the general fact that the forces of the Saudi coalition suffered losses at least in military equipment.

    Today, evidence has been confirmed that the Saudi forces had to leave the area after being hit by a half ring arranged by Hussite detachments. However, the retreat with all the available military equipment was impossible for the Saudi Arabian Armed Forces. They did not begin to leave the equipment as trophies for the Hussites either. As a result, they found such an option as the destruction of equipment and special equipment during the retreat. According to the latest reports, the Saudis destroyed two Oshkosh armored vehicles and a Toyota armored army vehicle.

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    According to other sources, the equipment was destroyed by the Hussites during the clash, in which the Saudis suffered another heavy defeat. The Hussites attacked the enemy’s positions from several directions, which led to a panic from the Saudi coalition forces.

    Subsequently, in order to try to defeat the Hussites and drive those out of the occupied territories, additional forces of the government forces of Yemen were transferred under Al-Hazm. New fights ensued, which came with varying success. Government forces say they managed to achieve a local victory. But the Hussites refute these statements.

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    The Hussites themselves previously demonstrated footage from Al-Hazma, which came under their control. As trophies, they got a considerable number of weapons , including artillery, MLRS and armored vehicles. The Hussites also gained access to communication systems of the Yemeni and Saudi armies. At the disposal of the group were tons of ammunition for various weapons systems, including shells for self-propelled guns.





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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:52 pm

    Houtis got to be careful not to get in the way of the Saudis destroying their own gear Laughing

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    In the photo,armored Toyota and 2 Oshkosh MATVs (version of Command and Special Forces)destroyed.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:28 am

    Seeing will be believing

    Member of the Supreme Political Council Mohammed Ali al-Houthi has welcomed the announcement by the Saudi-led coalition and the Hadi puppet government, which stated they would heed the call of UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres for a ceasefire.

    “The coalition’s announcement of acceptance of a ceasefire, de-escalation, and practical steps to build confidence between the two parties on the humanitarian and economic side is welcomed,” Mohammed al-Houthi said on Wednesday.

    “We are waiting for it to be translated into practical steps,” he added

    “The situation in Yemen in the political, economical and health fields requires stopping all forms of escalation and standing in the global and humanitarian effort to preserve the lives of citizens and deal responsibly with this epidemic,” the Hadi administration had said in a statement.

    “We appreciate the efforts of the UN Secretary-General and his envoy to Yemen,” the statement read.

    The announcement of Hadi’s approval of the ceasefire, according to political sources, came after contact with the US Secretary of State and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. This happened some hours after Mohammed Ali al-Houthi had already welcomed and supported the UN call for a ceasefire on behalf of the National Salvation Government.


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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:38 am

    Perceptive

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:37 am

    It would certainly be the best solution for the people of Yemen for Saudi Arabia and co to leave that country... probably a bit optimistic though they are censored and don't give a shit about the lives of their soldiers or the people of Yemen... you know... like American government officials and their 1% masters with forces in... everywhere.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:51 am

    GarryB wrote:It would certainly be the best solution for the people of Yemen for Saudi Arabia and co to leave that country... probably a bit optimistic though they are censored and don't give a shit about the lives of their soldiers or the people of Yemen...  you know... like American government officials and their 1% masters with forces in... everywhere.

    Ain't no way that UAE is willingly leaving that island off the Yemeni coast that they seem to have taken over.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:38 pm

    Another Yemeni BM strike into Saudi, probably reminding Saudi not to break the ceasefire again.

    Definitely the Patriots got them all, for certain this time Smile But maybe you are not old enough to remember this guy.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:02 pm


    Yes the patriot shoot them down over Riyadh , the type of missiles unknown yet .

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