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Militarov wrote:
Security forces in Najaf arrested 4 individuals at a checkpoint as they tried to smuggle 80 Pistols + ammo.
Nothing very curious here whatsoever regarding news, happens every day, but what stunned me for a sec is the rifle you can see on first photo. Its Serbian Zastava M21A (baseline version) which was to my knowledge delivered in some amounts to Iraqi special forces and security contractors in Iraq. Also notice pistols, not common third world pistols made in basements.
iraqidabab wrote:Some influential figures push PM Abadi to invite Russia in. US chief of staff visited Iraq's minister of defense seeking assurance that Iraq won't join the Russian alliance. Maybe they're playing the game to force the US into giving proper air support to Iraqi forces.
America's top general, Joseph Dunford, said on a trip to Baghdad on Tuesday that the United States won assurances from Iraq that it would not seek such strikes.
Iraq's ruling alliance, militias urge PM to seek Russian strikes
The presence of hybrid M1 Abrams tanks was confirmed to Defense News by Dr. Wathaq al-Hashimi, director of the Iraqi Group for Strategic Studies. "Iraq has been dependent on a number of different weapons suppliers, therefore they have integrated these weapons onto different platforms to achieve effectiveness."
Al-Hashimi said this isn’t the first time Iraqi forces — looking for more firepower to battle ISIL — have integrated Russian weapons systems onto American platforms.
"Russian systems were placed on American M1 Abrams tanks specially with armor-piercing rocket systems to be used against ISIL explosive cars used in their attacks," he said. "In Beiji [in Northern Iraq], there were 28 explosive cars used in one day and in Ramadi 15 cars were blown on another day."
Iraqi forces need to integrate different systems as they receive weapons from American, Russian, Iranian and European sources, al-Hashimi said.
"This integration may very well lead to a problem between the US and Iraq due to the purchase agreements,” he said. “However, there was a real problem and threat from the ISIS-armored explosive cars which led the prime minister to travel to Moscow with the minister of defense to acquire these rocket systems which were placed on the tanks.”
Iraq has a long history and experience in weapons and hybridization, al-Hashimi said, noting that Iraqi military experts may have acquired assistance from some of the estimated 5,000 to 6,000 international consultants present in the country from many countries including Russia, the US, Iran and France.
With Thursday being a national holiday, Iraq's Ministry of Defense could not be reached for comment.
higurashihougi wrote:Dunno if it has been posted
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/10/15/iraq-russian-gun-iranian-ammo-found-us-origin-tank/73999398/
Iraqi Forces Add Russian Guns to US Tanks for ISIL Fight
The presence of hybrid M1 Abrams tanks was confirmed to Defense News by Dr. Wathaq al-Hashimi, director of the Iraqi Group for Strategic Studies. "Iraq has been dependent on a number of different weapons suppliers, therefore they have integrated these weapons onto different platforms to achieve effectiveness."
Al-Hashimi said this isn’t the first time Iraqi forces — looking for more firepower to battle ISIL — have integrated Russian weapons systems onto American platforms.
"Russian systems were placed on American M1 Abrams tanks specially with armor-piercing rocket systems to be used against ISIL explosive cars used in their attacks," he said. "In Beiji [in Northern Iraq], there were 28 explosive cars used in one day and in Ramadi 15 cars were blown on another day."
Iraqi forces need to integrate different systems as they receive weapons from American, Russian, Iranian and European sources, al-Hashimi said.
"This integration may very well lead to a problem between the US and Iraq due to the purchase agreements,” he said. “However, there was a real problem and threat from the ISIS-armored explosive cars which led the prime minister to travel to Moscow with the minister of defense to acquire these rocket systems which were placed on the tanks.”
Iraq has a long history and experience in weapons and hybridization, al-Hashimi said, noting that Iraqi military experts may have acquired assistance from some of the estimated 5,000 to 6,000 international consultants present in the country from many countries including Russia, the US, Iran and France.
With Thursday being a national holiday, Iraq's Ministry of Defense could not be reached for comment.
Zivo wrote:higurashihougi wrote:Dunno if it has been posted
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/10/15/iraq-russian-gun-iranian-ammo-found-us-origin-tank/73999398/
Iraqi Forces Add Russian Guns to US Tanks for ISIL Fight
The presence of hybrid M1 Abrams tanks was confirmed to Defense News by Dr. Wathaq al-Hashimi, director of the Iraqi Group for Strategic Studies. "Iraq has been dependent on a number of different weapons suppliers, therefore they have integrated these weapons onto different platforms to achieve effectiveness."
Al-Hashimi said this isn’t the first time Iraqi forces — looking for more firepower to battle ISIL — have integrated Russian weapons systems onto American platforms.
"Russian systems were placed on American M1 Abrams tanks specially with armor-piercing rocket systems to be used against ISIL explosive cars used in their attacks," he said. "In Beiji [in Northern Iraq], there were 28 explosive cars used in one day and in Ramadi 15 cars were blown on another day."
Iraqi forces need to integrate different systems as they receive weapons from American, Russian, Iranian and European sources, al-Hashimi said.
"This integration may very well lead to a problem between the US and Iraq due to the purchase agreements,” he said. “However, there was a real problem and threat from the ISIS-armored explosive cars which led the prime minister to travel to Moscow with the minister of defense to acquire these rocket systems which were placed on the tanks.”
Iraq has a long history and experience in weapons and hybridization, al-Hashimi said, noting that Iraqi military experts may have acquired assistance from some of the estimated 5,000 to 6,000 international consultants present in the country from many countries including Russia, the US, Iran and France.
With Thursday being a national holiday, Iraq's Ministry of Defense could not be reached for comment.
I heard about the M1's modified to use Kord HMG's, but it sounds like they're talking about Kornets or something? Absolutely bizarre, obviously the M1 has a less than desirable selection of ammo, but you would think HEAT rounds would be adequate against the kamikaze attacks. Maybe they have trouble targeting fast moving cars.
TheArmenian wrote:Mi-28NE
sheytanelkebir wrote:they're next to a canal... so it won't be baiji. Most probably near falluja or ramadi.
Noting that he was arrested along with a number of ISIL terrorists, the commander said, "The Israeli colonel's name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade of the Zionist regime's army with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434."
Although it does not make it true, VT are running it too (where he has had a promotion) asKyo wrote:Seems true.
Israeli Colonel Leading ISIL Terrorists Arrested in Iraq
Noting that he was arrested along with a number of ISIL terrorists, the commander said, "The Israeli colonel's name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade of the Zionist regime's army with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434."
Militarov wrote:Zivo wrote:higurashihougi wrote:Dunno if it has been posted
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/10/15/iraq-russian-gun-iranian-ammo-found-us-origin-tank/73999398/
Iraqi Forces Add Russian Guns to US Tanks for ISIL Fight
The presence of hybrid M1 Abrams tanks was confirmed to Defense News by Dr. Wathaq al-Hashimi, director of the Iraqi Group for Strategic Studies. "Iraq has been dependent on a number of different weapons suppliers, therefore they have integrated these weapons onto different platforms to achieve effectiveness."
Al-Hashimi said this isn’t the first time Iraqi forces — looking for more firepower to battle ISIL — have integrated Russian weapons systems onto American platforms.
"Russian systems were placed on American M1 Abrams tanks specially with armor-piercing rocket systems to be used against ISIL explosive cars used in their attacks," he said. "In Beiji [in Northern Iraq], there were 28 explosive cars used in one day and in Ramadi 15 cars were blown on another day."
Iraqi forces need to integrate different systems as they receive weapons from American, Russian, Iranian and European sources, al-Hashimi said.
"This integration may very well lead to a problem between the US and Iraq due to the purchase agreements,” he said. “However, there was a real problem and threat from the ISIS-armored explosive cars which led the prime minister to travel to Moscow with the minister of defense to acquire these rocket systems which were placed on the tanks.”
Iraq has a long history and experience in weapons and hybridization, al-Hashimi said, noting that Iraqi military experts may have acquired assistance from some of the estimated 5,000 to 6,000 international consultants present in the country from many countries including Russia, the US, Iran and France.
With Thursday being a national holiday, Iraq's Ministry of Defense could not be reached for comment.
I heard about the M1's modified to use Kord HMG's, but it sounds like they're talking about Kornets or something? Absolutely bizarre, obviously the M1 has a less than desirable selection of ammo, but you would think HEAT rounds would be adequate against the kamikaze attacks. Maybe they have trouble targeting fast moving cars.
They just replaced M2 Brow with NSV (apparently NSV) in field when it had serious malfunction, and noone after bothered to put another M2 instead, and when it went back to repairs Muricans freaked out when they saw it, even worse they found IRANIAN ammunition for that same NSV on tank. I dont see the issue there, nor do American high ranked commanders, however i saw that some lowlife imbeciles in US army did, they even say how its aganist contract US and Iraq signed regarding those tanks where it says how Iraq is not allowed to make any modifications to the tank, right, so they were supposed to wait for US ammunition and replacement gun to come? What kind of drugs are they using exacly? Also i am more than sure that "modifications" to the tank do not really cover external HMG whatsoever but its electronics and optoelectronical equipment, engine etc.
When its about those cars with explosive attacks and similar they mentioned there and some mysterious "missile system" i am not sure whatsoever what did they mean by that. We discussed it already few days ago when i posted similar article but we got no solid conclusion. Maybe they decided to apply Metis/Kornet instead of HMG to counter those cars, but i dont see the reason why Sabot wouldnt be effective now aganist such targets coz it was more than effective when US invaded Iraq when Iraqis tried to fight tanks that way.
“The dual-purpose M789 round provides the firepower necessary to penetrate armor while maintaining its high-explosive capability for use against soft targets,” said Dan Olson, Vice President and General Manager, ATK Integrated Weapon Systems. “This versatility has made it a highly-effective combat round, and it is currently supporting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Werewolf wrote:Militarov wrote:Zivo wrote:higurashihougi wrote:Dunno if it has been posted
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/10/15/iraq-russian-gun-iranian-ammo-found-us-origin-tank/73999398/
Iraqi Forces Add Russian Guns to US Tanks for ISIL Fight
The presence of hybrid M1 Abrams tanks was confirmed to Defense News by Dr. Wathaq al-Hashimi, director of the Iraqi Group for Strategic Studies. "Iraq has been dependent on a number of different weapons suppliers, therefore they have integrated these weapons onto different platforms to achieve effectiveness."
Al-Hashimi said this isn’t the first time Iraqi forces — looking for more firepower to battle ISIL — have integrated Russian weapons systems onto American platforms.
"Russian systems were placed on American M1 Abrams tanks specially with armor-piercing rocket systems to be used against ISIL explosive cars used in their attacks," he said. "In Beiji [in Northern Iraq], there were 28 explosive cars used in one day and in Ramadi 15 cars were blown on another day."
Iraqi forces need to integrate different systems as they receive weapons from American, Russian, Iranian and European sources, al-Hashimi said.
"This integration may very well lead to a problem between the US and Iraq due to the purchase agreements,” he said. “However, there was a real problem and threat from the ISIS-armored explosive cars which led the prime minister to travel to Moscow with the minister of defense to acquire these rocket systems which were placed on the tanks.”
Iraq has a long history and experience in weapons and hybridization, al-Hashimi said, noting that Iraqi military experts may have acquired assistance from some of the estimated 5,000 to 6,000 international consultants present in the country from many countries including Russia, the US, Iran and France.
With Thursday being a national holiday, Iraq's Ministry of Defense could not be reached for comment.
I heard about the M1's modified to use Kord HMG's, but it sounds like they're talking about Kornets or something? Absolutely bizarre, obviously the M1 has a less than desirable selection of ammo, but you would think HEAT rounds would be adequate against the kamikaze attacks. Maybe they have trouble targeting fast moving cars.
They just replaced M2 Brow with NSV (apparently NSV) in field when it had serious malfunction, and noone after bothered to put another M2 instead, and when it went back to repairs Muricans freaked out when they saw it, even worse they found IRANIAN ammunition for that same NSV on tank. I dont see the issue there, nor do American high ranked commanders, however i saw that some lowlife imbeciles in US army did, they even say how its aganist contract US and Iraq signed regarding those tanks where it says how Iraq is not allowed to make any modifications to the tank, right, so they were supposed to wait for US ammunition and replacement gun to come? What kind of drugs are they using exacly? Also i am more than sure that "modifications" to the tank do not really cover external HMG whatsoever but its electronics and optoelectronical equipment, engine etc.
When its about those cars with explosive attacks and similar they mentioned there and some mysterious "missile system" i am not sure whatsoever what did they mean by that. We discussed it already few days ago when i posted similar article but we got no solid conclusion. Maybe they decided to apply Metis/Kornet instead of HMG to counter those cars, but i dont see the reason why Sabot wouldnt be effective now aganist such targets coz it was more than effective when US invaded Iraq when Iraqis tried to fight tanks that way.
What a load of History Channel Bullshit. SABOTs are useless against everything that is not a tank. If he does not hit the driver it will do most probably nothing. Even if the tanker would hit the explosives with a SABOT it would most probably do nothing but penetrate the shell like they often used unexploded artillery rounds for bombing trucks and thats it. They use SABOTS because US is a corrupt country the most corrupt in the world. Sabots like the US uses costs much more than any other tank round, someone mentioned it costs over 12.000 USD or more. HE-F/HEAT rounds cost far less and are specifically designed for that kind of job. The same thing is the case for americans that they do not use HE-I M799 round in their Apaches which is HEAT round with incendiary capability that is more than double lethal than M789 HEDP that contains more explosive. The HEDP round is nothing else but a very small HEAT round that does not create any fragmentation except the uneven large and small fragments from the shell. The issue with that design for "Fragmentation" effect on soft-skin targets is that it does not create many fragments but some larger parts some smaller parts and they are very unevenly spread. That means that you can stand half a meter next to it and be "unharmed" like often enough you can see on Apache gun engagement videos how many rounds land close to people while they still can run. Militarly speaking that is highly ineffective especially since one M789 round costs a lot. The M799 HE-I round 30x113mm round costs 24.75 USD (2011) while the HEDP M789 costs 74 USD (2011). Less effective but 3 times the cost. It is really no wonder that Apaches need for engagements between 20-130 rounds for a 1-3 people, roughly the average for trigger happy pilots.
Even tho many have told me that they do not believe that HEDP's are used in afghanistan when i told them that HEDP is standard round, the produce ATK itself is saying that on their page.
http://www.ammoland.com/2011/04/atk-awarded-49-9-million-contract-to-produce-30mm-m789-high-explosive-dual-purpose-ammunition/
“The dual-purpose M789 round provides the firepower necessary to penetrate armor while maintaining its high-explosive capability for use against soft targets,” said Dan Olson, Vice President and General Manager, ATK Integrated Weapon Systems. “This versatility has made it a highly-effective combat round, and it is currently supporting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Re: IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #1 Walther von Oldenburg Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:41 pm
Militarov wrote:
Wouldnt friction upon hitting engine and other solid metal parts of the car (that are not just metal sheets) cause huge temperature, melting, liquid metal spraying, even plasma? Sabots are truly useless aganist most of the targets that are not tanks but in this case i suppose they could have worked i mean pure kinetic energy is immense people inside even it went right though front and back wind shield would probably have severe bleedings due to pressure.
But it is true that US likes throwing money though window, they always did that, and they will keep doing so.
Werewolf wrote:Militarov wrote:
Wouldnt friction upon hitting engine and other solid metal parts of the car (that are not just metal sheets) cause huge temperature, melting, liquid metal spraying, even plasma? Sabots are truly useless aganist most of the targets that are not tanks but in this case i suppose they could have worked i mean pure kinetic energy is immense people inside even it went right though front and back wind shield would probably have severe bleedings due to pressure.
But it is true that US likes throwing money though window, they always did that, and they will keep doing so.
Most of the car what you see is just very thin sheets of metal which will do nothing but be like paper, no heat, no fragmentation just a very soft material that will be pierced without anything. The only thing that would face any sort of fragmentation or higher friction to sparks would be the structural and engine block, only engine block would achieve a "kill" to actually stop the sucicide truck. You can see sparks from APFSDS/APDS and smiliar rounds on armor, but cars are not made of armor. There is a reason why specific weapons were designed to do specific jobs and other weapons are just underwhelming or plain out useless for a job like APFSDS for soft targets. RPG warheads even as a dud have more devestating effect on cars than APFSDS rounds. Bigger diameter and more spread of the Kinetic energy they have will not just punch a nice hole in it but also deform structure of vehicles if it is placed at such an area and on top of that it is still an explosive which can explode any second even if the contact fuze has failed to intiate on impact.
Zivo wrote:Werewolf wrote:Militarov wrote:
Wouldnt friction upon hitting engine and other solid metal parts of the car (that are not just metal sheets) cause huge temperature, melting, liquid metal spraying, even plasma? Sabots are truly useless aganist most of the targets that are not tanks but in this case i suppose they could have worked i mean pure kinetic energy is immense people inside even it went right though front and back wind shield would probably have severe bleedings due to pressure.
But it is true that US likes throwing money though window, they always did that, and they will keep doing so.
Most of the car what you see is just very thin sheets of metal which will do nothing but be like paper, no heat, no fragmentation just a very soft material that will be pierced without anything. The only thing that would face any sort of fragmentation or higher friction to sparks would be the structural and engine block, only engine block would achieve a "kill" to actually stop the sucicide truck. You can see sparks from APFSDS/APDS and smiliar rounds on armor, but cars are not made of armor. There is a reason why specific weapons were designed to do specific jobs and other weapons are just underwhelming or plain out useless for a job like APFSDS for soft targets. RPG warheads even as a dud have more devestating effect on cars than APFSDS rounds. Bigger diameter and more spread of the Kinetic energy they have will not just punch a nice hole in it but also deform structure of vehicles if it is placed at such an area and on top of that it is still an explosive which can explode any second even if the contact fuze has failed to intiate on impact.
Doesn't M1's FCS automatically target the visual center of the object? On most cars, that wouldn't be the engine compartment unless the terrorists are driving around in Ferrari's.
I'm guessing APFSDS would achieve a lot of through and through's, and not much real damage unless you actually hit the driver directly. How much spalling can a tempered windshield actually make?
Werewolf wrote:Militarov wrote:
Wouldnt friction upon hitting engine and other solid metal parts of the car (that are not just metal sheets) cause huge temperature, melting, liquid metal spraying, even plasma? Sabots are truly useless aganist most of the targets that are not tanks but in this case i suppose they could have worked i mean pure kinetic energy is immense people inside even it went right though front and back wind shield would probably have severe bleedings due to pressure.
But it is true that US likes throwing money though window, they always did that, and they will keep doing so.
Most of the car what you see is just very thin sheets of metal which will do nothing but be like paper, no heat, no fragmentation just a very soft material that will be pierced without anything. The only thing that would face any sort of fragmentation or higher friction to sparks would be the structural and engine block, only engine block would achieve a "kill" to actually stop the sucicide truck. You can see sparks from APFSDS/APDS and smiliar rounds on armor, but cars are not made of armor. There is a reason why specific weapons were designed to do specific jobs and other weapons are just underwhelming or plain out useless for a job like APFSDS for soft targets. RPG warheads even as a dud have more devestating effect on cars than APFSDS rounds. Bigger diameter and more spread of the Kinetic energy they have will not just punch a nice hole in it but also deform structure of vehicles if it is placed at such an area and on top of that it is still an explosive which can explode any second even if the contact fuze has failed to intiate on impact.
JohninMK wrote:Although it does not make it true, VT are running it too (where he has had a promotion) asKyo wrote:Seems true.
Israeli Colonel Leading ISIL Terrorists Arrested in Iraq
Noting that he was arrested along with a number of ISIL terrorists, the commander said, "The Israeli colonel's name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade of the Zionist regime's army with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434."
the Israeli Brigadier Yussi Elon Shahak captured by the Iraqi popular army confessed during the investigation that… “There is a strong cooperation between MOSSAD and ISIS top military commanders,” asserting that “there are Israeli advisors helping the Organization on laying out strategic and military plans, and guiding them in the battlefield.”
The terrorist organization also has military consultants from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Jordan. Saudi Arabia has so far provided ISIS with 30,000 vehicles, while Jordan rendered 4500 vehicles. Qatar and United Arab Emirates delivered funds for covering ISIS overall expenditure. The planes belonging to the aforesaid countries are still landing in the Mosel airport, carrying military aid and fighters, especially via the Jordanian borders.
The Parliament and the DESI also confirm the Death of ISIS leader Abu Baker al Baghdadi, who received two bullets: one in the head and the other in the shoulder in a fire exchange. Two of his top aides were killed as well. It is believed that the CIA and MOSSAD are behind his death as he becomes a wasted commodity. Furthermore, Eight ISIS top commanders were killed in “Haith” in an Iraqi airstrike after two weeks of surveillance by the Iraqi military service.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/21/breaking-story-israeli-general-captured-in-iraq-confesses-to-israel-isis-coalition/
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