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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:27 am

    This particular MC-21 prototype is to be powered by PD-14 engines and is built using serial production technologies, Irkut has explained to Russian Aviation Insider. It is the fifth aircraft in the MC-21 flight test programme. Assembly of the fourth was completed in November and, just as for the previous three, is powered by US-made Pratt & Whitney PW1400G engines.
    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/airframe-mc-21-assembled-ready-testing-russias-pd-14-engines/

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-12-10/first-pd-14-powered-mc-21-takes-shape

    https://www.flightglobal.com/programmes/fuselage-mated-for-first-pd-14-powered-mc-21/135685.article
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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:23 am

    The head of the UAC called the planned number of SSJ-100 in 2020

    https://iz.ru/959072/2019-12-27/glava-oak-nazval-planiruemoe-kolichestvo-vypuska-ssj-100-v-2020-godu

    “Next year we want to produce about 20 cars. About 150 aircraft until 2024–2025 we must do, ”said Slyusar.

    According to him, since 2021, the corporation plans to enter the production of at least 30 aircraft per year.
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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:24 am

    Russia To Invest in Indigenous Superjet

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-12-23/russia-invest-indigenous-superjet
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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:11 pm

    Superjet 100: 2019 Results

    https://aviation21.ru/superjet-100-itogi-2019-goda/
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    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:48 am

    The head of the UAC revealed the details of the modernization of the SSJ100

    https://iz.ru/959932/2019-12-30/glava-oak-raskryl-detali-modernizatcii-ssj100
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:18 am

    Flight tests of the third prototype Ka-62 helicopter started

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3891011.html
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    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:15 pm

    The first prototype IL-114-300 was rolled out in Zhukovsky

    https://aviation21.ru/v-zhukovskom-vykatili-pervyj-opytnyj-samolyot-il-114-300/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:09 pm

    Austin wrote:The first prototype IL-114-300 was rolled out in Zhukovsky

    https://aviation21.ru/v-zhukovskom-vykatili-pervyj-opytnyj-samolyot-il-114-300/

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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:14 am

    Nice.

    The Il-114 and Il-112 (with their common engines, avionics and many other shared components) are a good example of using limited resources and finances smartly.
    Efficiency and smart planning are keys to keep-up, match and even beat the $700 billion behemoth defense budget with one that is a mere fraction of that number.
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    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:59 pm

    Russian Government Bank Funds SSJ100 Shipments to Aeroflot

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2020-01-03/russian-government-bank-funds-ssj100-shipments-aeroflot

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:17 am

    Nice.

    The Il-114 and Il-112 (with their common engines, avionics and many other shared components) are a good example of using limited resources and finances smartly.
    Efficiency and smart planning are keys to keep-up, match and even beat the $700 billion behemoth defense budget with one that is a mere fraction of that number.

    Hasn't always been like that... clearly not having huge amounts of funds available is a good thing... the Tu-160 and the Tu-22M3 use very similar but different engines yet are made by the same design bureau... Tupolev... each of their ships were custom made for their role, so the Sovremmeny and Udaloy class ships are totally different from weapons to propulsion to sensors, but are a similar size... their replacements will combine their roles and perform other roles as well but be one unified design that can be mass produced.... the job at hand can be completed by deciding what missiles to load into her missile tubes...

    Improved technology has made multi use multi purpose platforms possible, but you still need to want to unify the designs... they are doing it with aircraft, they are doing it with armoured vehicle families, and they are doing it with ships and subs.... and they are doing it well.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:53 am

    Alexander Dolotovsky: CR929 will be more comfortable than B787 and more cost-effective than A350

    https://aviation21.ru/aleksandr-dolotovskij-cr929-budet-komfortnee-b787-i-ekonomicheski-effektivnee-a350/
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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:18 am

    https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/most-punctual-airlines-and-airports-2020/index.html

    On Thursday, travel data analyst Cirium released its annual On-Time Performance Review, naming Russian flag carrier Aeroflot the world's most on-time global mainline airline and Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport the world's most punctual airport.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:28 am

    Superjet stats

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/129063/
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    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:06 pm

    A Look At Russia’s New Turboprop: The Il-114-300

    Is The Sukhoi SJ100 Superjet Making A Comeback?

    Russia’s 737 MAX/A320neo Alternative – The MC-21-300 Takes Maiden Flight
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:19 am

    Update: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2020-01-13/first-ilyushin-il-96-400m-takes-shape
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:35 am

    The above article mentions 3 airframes per annum for the Il-96.
    Does anyone know if there are serious plans to produce it in volume eg the 4 or 2 engine version?
    ie for Aeroflot and other Russian and foreign airlines over the next 5 or 10 yrs.
    It strikes me as a very good plane that would be more competitive internationally with twin engines.
    Seems a shame that an aerospace industry like Russia is going to even enemy states to fulfill its airline requirements. Especially when it can produce and even export its own planes.
    Surely Russia could produce 10 or 20 twin engine Il-96s per annum, and export a fair number of them too?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:31 pm

    Firebird wrote:The above article mentions 3 airframes per annum for the Il-96.
    Does anyone know if there are serious plans to produce it in volume eg the 4 or 2 engine version?
    ie for Aeroflot and other Russian and foreign airlines over the next 5 or 10 yrs.
    It strikes me as a very good plane that would be more competitive internationally with twin engines.
    Seems a shame that an aerospace industry like Russia is going to even enemy states to fulfill its airline requirements. Especially when it can produce and even export its own planes.
    Surely Russia could produce 10 or 20 twin engine Il-96s per annum, and export a fair number of them too?
    until the next 5 years at least ( but more probably 7) there will be no large Russian engine of the needed thrust available for commercial operations. Even the best estimates do not speak about 2025 for entry into service of the new 35 tons engine. Of course it is considered to have a new version ofil96 with 2 engines, but they cannot wait for it.

    It will be important to start working on the modified design of the aircraft with this configuration
    (just the wing or also other parts?), is the wing high enough to have the required ground clearance during takeoff and landing with the larger engines, how is the weight balance of the modified aircraft, how does the aircraft behave with this new configuration?).

    The aircraft will need a new type rating in order to be certified with 2 engines instead of 4.

    That is, it is considered a totally new aircraft from the certification authorities (both russian and foreign, like the EASA).


    If they have a modified development aircraft available for when the new PD35 has already started flying tests on the flying test bed (that will be most probably an il-76 with one of the engines replaced by the pd35), and the engine has proved in ground tests, test in altitude test facilities  and in the flying test bed that it is reliable enough, then they can start flight testing the updated twin version of the il96 without losing much time.

    They can't however have the twin il96 fly commercially before the engine is extensively tested both alone and in the aircraft.

    Starting now with the il96-400M they just need to apply for a change to its current type rating, requiring additional tests, but not as many as they would need for a new type rating for a new aircraft.

    Russia want to have within a couple of years a locally produced widebody able to fly commercially and transport passengers,even if it is less fuel efficient than foreign alternatives. They even refused to put there the improved version of the old engine, the PS-90A3M, since it was not yet certified, and they will use the PS-90A1.

    The only thing that they could do to save time would be to work on certifying a twin engine version of the il96 with Rolls-Royce or GE engines and asking for a type rating supplement and repeating only a part of the tests when the new russian engine PD35 is available, (same approach that they are following for the MC-21, that will be certified with the pratt and witney engine, and only later with the PD14).

    Maybe they will do that after they finish the work on the 4 engines version.

    But if they want to have a fully Russian widebody soon(e.g) 2022) they must accept a compromise and use the 4 engines version with the old PS-90A1.
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:51 pm

    [quote="Rodion_Romanovic"]
    Firebird wrote:The above article mentions 3 airframes per annum for the Il-96.

    But if they want to have a fully Russian widebody soon(e.g) 2022) they must accept a compromise and use the 4 engines version with the old PS-90A1.

    Interesting. Yeah I thought the 2 engine version would be a few years away.
    But is there a serious effort to increase production of the 4 engine version beyond just a couple or so of airframes pa?
    Do they plan on having the 4engine Il-96 as mostly a plane for state and military bodies. Or could Aeroflot, Rossiya etc replace their Airbus and Boeing widebodies with it in 4 engine format? Is there a serious plan to sell the 4 engine Il to allied/partner places like Iran, India, Africa, Venezuela, Cuba, the CIS etc
    I know it isn't the very latest plane, but I still reckon the 4 engine could compete, especially given that oil isn't that expensive currnetly.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:04 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    I know it isn't the very latest plane, but I still reckon the 4 engine could compete, especially given that oil isn't that expensive currnetly.
    [/quote]

    true, but not that old either
    Airbus A330 - prod 1994
    Il-96 prod 1992
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:18 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    I know it isn't the very latest plane, but I still reckon the 4 engine could compete, especially given that oil isn't that expensive currnetly.

    true, but not that old either
    Airbus A330  - prod 1994
    Il-96               prod 1992[/quote]

    Yeah, and airbus just upgraded the A330 with a new engine.

    Russia could even put in a brand new composite wing on the new il 96 Twin, since it would have to be redesigned anyway, and they are making the wing for the new russian Chinese widebody (maybe they could have some commonality between the 2).

    Having the 4 engines il96-400M, anyway, is very important, because it allow them to maintain a minimum of production capability and forced them to develop and install new modern internal systems and electronics for this category of aircrafts.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:47 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

    Russia could even put in a brand new composite wing on the new il 96 Twin, since it would have to be redesigned anyway, and they are making the wing for the new russian Chinese widebody (maybe they could have some commonality between the 2).

    Having the 4 engines il96-400M, anyway, is very important,  because it allow them to maintain a minimum of production capability and forced them to develop and install new modern internal systems and electronics for this category of aircrafts.

    I guess that the idea is to use a proven air-frame with new engines, materials, avionics. I wouldn't be surprised as avionics and engines/materials would have high degree of commonality with CR-929
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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:56 am

    Four Engine Plane is more reliable and safe than twin engine one all things being equal more so for long distant flight.

    PS-90A1 is a very reliable engine and proven over many million hours of operations
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:04 pm

    Austin wrote:Four Engine Plane is more reliable and safe than twin engine one all things being equal more so for long distant flight.  

    PS-90A1 is a very reliable engine and proven over many million hours of operations

    yet the wole world changed to 2 engines for a reason - it is cheaper and enough safe. Exception: Boeing What a Face What a Face What a Face
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    Post  Firebird on Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:47 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Austin wrote:Four Engine Plane is more reliable and safe than twin engine one all things being equal more so for long distant flight.  

    PS-90A1 is a very reliable engine and proven over many million hours of operations

    yet the wole world changed to 2 engines for a reason - it is cheaper and enough safe.  Exception: Boeing What a Face What a Face What a Face

    Only thing is, presidents refuse to fly in 2 engines.But everyone else doesn't have a choice.
    I'd rather pay a little more and have 4 engines. Just as some people pay a little more and have a safer car/fly a safer airline.

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