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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:31 am

    Like klashnikov system. But I am sure designers will take into account all this, from theory or experience. You have good points.

    I am a fan of Russian weapons and Russian weapons generally try not to be gold plated... it is not good enough to be effective... it has to be affordable too... there is no point in having the best weapon system if you can only afford to have a tiny number in service and prefer not to use them because they are too expensive for most targets.

    In the video posted above showing rebels laying out rockets for launch... when the bombers finally come they scare away the enemy so they do thwart the attack and do take out the rockets before they were used, but it would have been so much better if the drone that spotted them laying out the launchers could have dropped a couple of cluster bombs... the Russians have some beauties... a 500kg cluster bomb equipped with OAB-2.5PT fragmentation submunitions... each bomb has 126 submunitions that explode in the air around the target sending fragments all over the place... if that drone had dropped two bombs to land 20 metres apart near this target area the munitions released 100m up in the air would have spread HE fragments over an enormous area... most of the people there would have been killed... the vehicle destroyed and the rockets taken out before they were used too... especially the ones still in the truck.

    That is why armed drones are so useful... time.

    You don't need to organise a flight of bombers, don't need to load them up with suitable weapons, or take the time to fly from their airbase to where the targets are.

    With a decent sized UAV you could have 6-8 cluster bomb combinations so you could have two with anti personel munitions, two with penetrating munitions for cratering runways (though in this case to take out enemies in tunnels), anti armour munitions, and two with heavier munitions... they have one munition for targets called the OFAB-50UD, which has ten munitions in each 500kg bomb and each munition is a 50kg HE frag bomb that is effective over a much wider area than a 500kg bomb would be...

    They do not hate Russia.

    Have you listened to them? The ones supported by the US and Saudi Arabia hate Russia... that is why they support them.

    I have to agree with Seig on this one.

    In addition the Su-24 was targeting terrorist that did not care too much about sirian or turkish border, and to which Turkey offered often safe haven.

    X2.

    Plus I would suggest that over the years a few Turkish military aircraft have violated Syrian airspace chasing after Kurdish terrorists... do they really want to start playing the game where they can shoot down anything in their airspace even just for the briefest moment... that could be costly in planes...

    If it was to send a message to Putin, then it's hilarious to note the guy who shot it down fled Turkey because he was part of the Gulan attempted coup in Turkey. I remember how he apparently fled via helicopter to Cyprus (Greek part).

    It is a wee bit ironic... even more so when as it happened Erdo claimed he ordered the attack himself.

    Of course it must be remembered that the people killed in the incident were killed by the people on the ground...

    Ero himself conducted the coup to seize power and I'll give it to the guy he did a great job at it.

    Perhaps he did... but clearly he used it to not only seize more power, but also to expose his enemies because he would quickly learn who was supporting the coup against him and who was not... and clearly the US supported that coup... hell only a matter of time before the US blames Russian hackers for the coup as an attempt to incriminate them because as usual they are totally innocent.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:10 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Bombing people who hate Russia






    They do not hate Russia.

    For them the only reason they fight Russia is because the Russians are fighting them.



    They vowed to nuke Moscow for Islam. That is terrorism.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:15 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Jet was in the AIR waiting for the SU-24, it was a pre-planned attack.

    There was no verbal warning, the Turks never provided any proof to this claim.

    The facts are the SU-24 entered the Airspace for 7 seconds on accident, By the time the F-16 fired and shoot it down it was in Syrian Airspace.

    The Flightpath of the SU-24 showed it passed over a very narrow part of Turkey that sticks into Syria.

    The SU-24 did not fly deep into their territory.

    The facts are the shootdown was illegal. The SU-24 wasn't given time to leave, it was attacked outside of Turkish airspace and the pilots weren't warned.

    The facts are the facts. This is well known if the SU-24 did anything wrong I'd say so. but to be honest it didn't.

    Ero shot it down to send a message to Putin



    https://i.servimg.com/u/f61/19/83/61/04/sukhoi10.png

    And what happened after that? Russian tourism in Turkey dropped sharply and that crippled Turkish economy and Erdogan had to apologize and pay up with S-400 buy.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:17 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:If it was to send a message to Putin, then it's hilarious to note the guy who shot it down fled Turkey because he was part of the Gulan attempted coup in Turkey.  I remember how he apparently fled via helicopter to Cyprus (Greek part).

    Despite this claim, Gulan himself mastermind it, I haven't seen a SHREAD of proof behind it.

    Ero himself conducted the coup to seize power and I'll give it to the guy he did a great job at it.

    He had lists pre-printed so when the coup "failed" he was arresting ANYONE who EVER questioned him. The lists they had could not be prepared in a day there is tons of evidence proving Ero used a false coup to achieve his goals.

    Gulan loyalists were part of the coup but they were just used.

    Seig is right. The coup was done by Erdogan to purge opposition so he can become the new sultan, called Erdogan, the new sultan. Anyone who thinks the coup was real is delusional and stupid.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:48 pm

    You can see the strike is too slow. All the people who hate Russia got away, including their truck. If Russia uses UCAV all of the people who hate Russia would have died right there and then. Turkey used Bayraktar UCAV and Iran used Shahed UCAV very effectively against YPG and ISIS. Russia is yet to deploy UCAV to Syria which would hunt down people who hate Russia very easily and very quickly. It's a good start, but still a while to go before Russia deploys UCAV to Syria to kill the people who hate Russia.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:21 am

    Something has to be wired wrong to believe such nonsense. Critical thinking alone makes that theory impossible.

    If not for the late Brzezinski himself. Then again a low informed mind, poor critical thinking, + existing biases is a toxic cocktail.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:01 pm

    Bombing the people who hate Russia

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    Post  nomadski Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:46 pm



    Looks like in rural areas, static targets and vehicles are easy targets for existing Russian planes and munitions. No problems with collateral damage or large explosions. Looks like the UAS is being used to direct fire by artillery and planes. In urban area, smaller payload is needed to destroy occupant of single room. UCAV needed here. A different approach. Russia can buy UCAV from Iran.
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    Post  George1 Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:46 am

    Video of striking the HQ of Russia in Syria

    Interesting video of striking the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria with the monitoring of results from an unmanned aerial vehicle. As the accompanying text of the ANNA-news agency said, on July 18, 2019 "terrorist groups were preparing a powerful offensive against the positions of government troops stationed in the village of Kesabiya. The militants threw ammunition and reinforcements to the front line. "But the preparations of the terrorists were noticed from the air, and airstrikes were launched against them."



    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3711522.html
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:31 am

    George1 wrote:Video of striking the HQ of Russia in Syria

     Interesting video of striking the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria with the monitoring of results from an unmanned aerial vehicle. As the accompanying text of the ANNA-news agency said, on July 18, 2019 "terrorist groups were preparing a powerful offensive against the positions of government troops stationed in the village of Kesabiya. The militants threw ammunition and reinforcements to the front line. "But the preparations of the terrorists were noticed from the air, and airstrikes were launched against them."



    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3711522.html

    The strike is too slow. Even the truck got away. Russia needs MALE UCAV like Iran Shahed 129 used very effectively against ISIS in Syria. The bad guys were killed right there and then without having to call in a strike. Russia continues to lack MALE UCAV like Turkish Bayraktar which was used in Afrin, Iranian Shahed 129 which was used in Syria, Israeli Hermes, Chinese CH-4 which was used in Iraq.













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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:35 am

    Russia has its own designs in development, and information and experience in Syria will be helping them develop the sort of drone they will find most useful and effective.

    They don't need to buy any more foreign drone types...
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:18 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia has its own designs in development, and information and experience in Syria will be helping them develop the sort of drone they will find most useful and effective.

    They don't need to buy any more foreign drone types...

    True. Orion E MALE UCAV should be deployed soon. In the meantime, more drone porn.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:25 pm

    Turkey backed NLF shoots Kornet missile Turkey bought from Russia.

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:06 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Isn't what this guy is posting considered spam posts?.

    Unlike you yank fucker who posts shit about Russians on RUSSIAN defense forum.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:14 pm


    I like these posted video. It has great viewing value, to show rats, no hiding place. Why not Iran and Turkey and Russia help to stop yank supplies to Syria SDF , through Iraq border, by using drones to hit supply trucks. More than 1200 trucks. The Iraqi popular forces can use them. No need for other operators. Or who is to know exactly who operated. Iran should now step up and put pressure on yank bases in Iraq and Syria. Turkey should join in. Help each other get rid of yank bases. Russia can concentrate on IDLIB. what you think? Turkey recently hit terror cell in Iraq. It is not getting any closer to yank? Neither is Iran going to be.......
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:55 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Isn't what this guy is posting considered spam posts?.

    Unlike you yank fucker who posts shit about Russians on RUSSIAN defense forum.

    Insults like that about another forum poster could well get you banned.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:58 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    I like these posted video. It has great viewing value, to show rats, no hiding place. Why not Iran and Turkey and Russia help to stop yank supplies to Syria SDF , through Iraq border, by using drones to hit supply trucks. More than 1200 trucks.  The Iraqi popular forces can use them. No need for other operators. Or who is to know exactly who operated. Iran should now step up and put pressure on yank bases in Iraq and Syria. Turkey should join in. Help each other get rid of yank bases. Russia can concentrate on IDLIB. what you think? Turkey recently hit terror cell in Iraq. It is not getting any closer to yank? Neither is Iran going to be.......

    SDF is friendly to Russia. SDF is not religious. SDF helps to keep Turkey backed NLF in check. NLF is Russia's enemy. Russia bombs the s out of NLF. Russia ally with SDF.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:08 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Isn't what this guy is posting considered spam posts?.

    Unlike you yank fucker who posts shit about Russians on RUSSIAN defense forum.

    Insults like that about another forum poster could well get you banned.

    Isn't what I state the truth? This Seig member is a troll just like that 500 member on Pakistani defense forum from Israel who bad mouths Muslims.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:44 am

    Perhaps we should calm down a bit... it is the job of mods to decide who gets bans and who does not.

    Members can make complaints, but ultimately it is the mods decision.

    Regarding the current situation... one member called another a spammer. I have made the decision that what he is doing does not count as spam because it is on topic and relevant.

    The member called a spammer replied to the first member describing him as a person who makes sweet sweet love to Americans... I don't know enough about SS to be sure either way but I don't think suggesting he sleeps with american women constitutes abuse.

    As far as I am concerned you two are unlikely to become friends, but there is no banning offence here so far, but both of you dial it back.

    Also thank you to JohninMK for trying to be a calming influence.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:47 pm

    @ Ultimatewarrier

    I understand that at one point the kurds or SDF were fighting the rats and making progress. As time passed, they relied more on yank for supplies. At the end, in the south, there was even reports of rats joining their ranks, instead of being captured or defeated by Syrian Army. I don 't know if they ever were part of Astana peace process. Or if they even have a political party. But there were reports of people being forced to join their ranks as fighters. And local population demonstrating against them. They have not allowed Syrian army to cross the territory under their control to patrol the borders of Syria. And they continue to allow ever greater yank bases on Syrian soil. They are composed of other separatist Kurd groups. They may not be religious, as you say. But they are just as much separatist as the rats. But they have better PR.

    They may not pose a security risk to Russia. Like central Asian republics extremists. But they do pose security risk to regional states stability, like Iran or Turkey or Iraq. Inside every Kurd, there is a separatist waiting to get out. There are  six positions on this problem. Respectively belonging to nations engaged in war in Syria. Each reflects their interests. And each may or may not be condusive to peace in Syria.

    The Russian position of defacto partition of Syria, although good for Russia, by keeping peace with Yanks. Still leaves Syria partitioned, with Kurdish region becoming separate state. This harms interests of unified Syria and threatens Turkey and Iraq and Iran unity. And as such is no solution long term to war in Syria. And it is clear Russians will not act against America. They simply can not.

    The American position is to partition Syria. For Kurdish oil in Syria and Iraq. And as a way of partitioning Iran. This will lead not to establishment of American hegemony. As we have seen from their failed experiments recently. But a huge instability in ME.  This also is no solution.

    The Turkish position is conflicted and contradictory. On one hand they try to fight separatism by Kurds. On the other they encourage it in Syria. They are also too dependent on Yanks to make any meaningful move against yank bases in Syria or even in Turkey itself. By large they remain ineffective in solving the problems, even adding to it. This will not solve Syria war.

    Iraq is by itself too weak and divided to make a move in Syria. The Iraqi army has elements still loyal to extremists sunni groups. The Iraqi government is also divided and weak. Supplies to SDF pass routinely to Syria. Iraq alone can not solve the war. The popular forces in Iraq, can act against SDF. At least by cutting supply routes by Yanks. But they need help.

    Iran is technically in a position to both fight the SDF separatists and help Iraq popular forces to drive out the Yanks and bases. They can offer solution to end Syria war. They are not going to get normal relations with Yanks anytime soon.

    You say SDF is Russian ally. Why? Because they fight the rats? But as I said the fight in the East is over. And how many offensive against Rats, did SDF do in past six months or year? How many Rats did they take out? And how much equipment did they destroy? How much land they liberate? And in the meantime, how much weapons they get and store from Yanks? So if they grow much much faster than the number of rats they take out, then overall the number of rats is growing. Not getting smaller. Both smelly rats and non-smelly Kurd rats.

    So in this way we  assess balance of forces. Decide if non - smely rats should at least not grow in numbers. Why supply routes should be cut. And if Russia or Turkey or Iraq will not or could not do it. Then Iranians can and should. The Russians can sit on deck chair and look out to the Med. Leave the East to Iranians.........


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    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:53 pm

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    @ Ultimatewarrier

    I understand that at one point the kurds or SDF were fighting the rats and making progress. As time passed, they relied more on yank for supplies. At the end, in the south, there was even reports of rats joining their ranks, instead of being captured or defeated by Syrian Army. I don 't know if they ever were part of Astana peace process. Or if they even have a political party. But there were reports of people being forced to join their ranks as fighters. And local population demonstrating against them. They have not allowed Syrian army to cross the territory under their control to patrol the borders of Syria. And they continue to allow ever greater yank bases on Syrian soil. They are composed of other separatist Kurd groups. They may not be religious, as you say. But they are just as much separatist as the rats. But they have better PR.

    They may not pose a security risk to Russia. Like central Asian republics extremists. But they do pose security risk to regional states stability, like Iran or Turkey or Iraq. Inside every Kurd, there is a separatist waiting to get out. There are  six positions on this problem. Respectively belonging to nations engaged in war in Syria. Each reflects their interests. And each may or may not be condusive to peace in Syria.

    The Russian position of defacto partition of Syria, although good for Russia, by keeping peace with Yanks. Still leaves Syria partitioned, with Kurdish region becoming separate state. This harms interests of unified Syria and threatens Turkey and Iraq and Iran unity. And as such is no solution long term to war in Syria. And it is clear Russians will not act against America. They simply can not.

    The American position is to partition Syria. For Kurdish oil in Syria and Iraq. And as a way of partitioning Iran. This will lead not to establishment of American hegemony. As we have seen from their failed experiments recently. But a huge instability in ME.  This also is no solution.

    The Turkish position in conflicted and contradictory. On one hand they try to fight separatism by Kurds. On the other they encourage it in Syria. They are also too dependent on Yanks to make any meaningful move against yank bases in Syria or even in Turkey itself. By large they remain ineffective in solving the problems, even adding to it. This will not solve Syria war.

    Iraq is by itself too weak and divided to make a move in Syria. The Iraqi army has elements still loyal to extremists sunni groups. The Iraqi government is also divided and weak. Supplies to SDF pass routinely to Syria. Iraq alone can not solve the war. The popular forces in Iraq, can act against SDF. At least by cutting supply routes by Yanks. But they need help.

    Iran is technically in a position to both fight the SDF separatists and help Iraq popular forces to drive out the Yanks and bases. They can offer solution to end Syria war. They are not going to get normal relations with Yanks anytime soon.

    You say SDF is Russian ally. Why? Because they fight the rats? But as I said the fight in the East is over. And how many offensive against Rats, did SDF do in past six months or year? How many Rats did they take out? And how much equipment did they destroy? How much land they liberate? And in the meantime, how much weapons they get and store from Yanks? So if they grow much much faster than the number of rats they take out, then overall the number of rats is growing. Not getting smaller. Both smelly rats and non-smelly Kurd rats.

    So in this way we  assess balance of forces. Decide if non - smely rats should at least not grow in numbers. Why supply routes should be cut. And if Russia or Turkey or Iraq will not or could not do it. Then Iranians can and should. The Russians can sit on deck chair and look out to the Med. Leave the East to Iranians.........


    SDF is ally and friend of Russia. They are not jihadist terrorists like Turkey backed NLF. SDF will never fight Russia or Assad army. Turkey backed NLF is enemy and gets bombed every day. Good on them. In fact, if I were Putin I would have defended Afrin and prevented Turkey backed NLF from entering Idlib.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:19 pm

    @ Ultimatewarrier

    The rats will surely be defeated. But then Syria still divided. At that point, regional states will have to suffocate the illegitimate child at birth. I hope Iran will act, to save regional stability. Defeat Kurd separatism. At that point Russia will be mostly neutral.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:26 pm

    If I were Putin I would have bombed the crap out of ISIS in 2014 and got SDF under Russia influence. Anyhow, east of Euphrates is useless. Only western Syria is important. That's where the coast is. Where there is water, there is life. There is no life east of Euphrates.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:26 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Can Ultimate Warrior have a "Bombing people who hate Russia" Thread so he can post this stuff there?.


    It's not like I lie in my post. dunno
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:07 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:If I were Putin I would have bombed the crap out of ISIS in 2014 and got SDF under Russia influence. Anyhow, east of Euphrates is useless. Only western Syria is important. That's where the coast is. Where there is water, there is life. There is no life east of Euphrates.

    There is oil east of Euphrates.

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