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    Russia-Turkey S-400 missile deal

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    Post  Isos on Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:02 am


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    Retired PVO Colonel Mikhail Khodarenok said that Turkey's recent test of the S-400 involved its 91N6E, 92N6E, and 96L6E radars and 2 F-16, an F-4, and helicopters flying continuously for 8 hours from various directions

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    According to his sources, the S-400's radars surpassed Turkey's expectations. He said Turkey's 1st S-400 regiment has a Russian-made ground-based interrogator and Turkish crypto to work with the NATO Mark XII IFF system, but this would be replaced by one made by ASELSAN


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    The 2nd S-400 regiment was also supposed to receive a Turkish-made ground-based interrogator by ASELSAN, but Khodarenok says that Turkey's specialists thought the Russian-made system worked so well that they might be happy with it instead of a Turkish-made version
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:57 pm

    Turkey Nears Russia Missile-Production Deal After NATO Warnings

    Turkey’s set to sign an agreement with Russia to jointly produce missiles and receive know-how to develop its own defense systems, a step that could boost criticism from its NATO partners that Ankara is moving away from the bloc.

    We will sign a deal after agreeing over final details regarding joint production or production of some parts in Turkey, and technology sharing,” said Ismail Demir, head of Turkey’s top defense procurement body, known as SSB.

    The talks are part of Turkey’s deal to purchase a second S-400 missile-defense system from Russia and have reached a “quite ripe” stage, Demir said on Friday in Ankara. “The signing of a deal is just around the corner,” he said.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-13/turkey-nears-russia-missile-production-deal-after-nato-warnings?srnd=premium-europe
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:11 am

    This could only be a problem for NATO if Russia is the enemy, which they keep saying they aren't... which can only be good for both Turkey and Russia.

    The Turkish military industry is quite advanced in a lot of areas and this sort of cooperation will boost it rather further, while for Russia ties and sales to Turkey are good for trade and relations between these two practically neighbouring countries.

    Simple rule of thumb... if Washington or London or Brussels are not happy then it is clearly the right thing to do...
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:21 am

    Amazing what people upload on the internet. The gif at the link shows the effective area covered by the S-400 ar various heights.

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    Radar range for the #S400 located at Mürted Akinci AB, in #Turkey.

    The S-400 is an impressive system, significantly bolstering Ankara's Air Defense capabilities. Costly though, both politically and financially.


    https://twitter.com/IanD3f/status/1223208649901867008
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:35 am

    But the picture for a single Patriot battery would only cover 120 degrees and rather shorter ranges too...

    If you have four S-400 batteries spaced out around the country to minimise the overlap of coverage the performance would be eye watering... and if you tie in the national radar network coverage would be extensive...
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:01 pm

    Moscow and Ankara are negotiating the supply of a new batch of S-400, despite the coronavirus - source

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=530633&lang=RU
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:29 pm

    I dont know what Coronavirus has anything to do with this since production at MiC plants havent stopped. Actually, production has increased especially for the civil sector.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:08 pm

    First confirmation I have see that Turkey has the whole system including missiles. That was said in mid March.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=530633&lang=RU

    Moscow. April 21. INTERFAX-Russia and Turkey, despite the situation with coronavirus, continue consultations on the delivery of an additional batch of S-400 air defense systems, an informed Russian source told Interfax on Tuesday.
    "We continue this work despite the coronavirus," he said.
    On March 16, in an interview with Interfax, the Director of the Federal service for military-technical cooperation (FSMTC) Russia's Dmitry Shugaev said that Russia expects to agree to supply Turkey with an additional batch of S-400s in the foreseeable future.
    "The issue of an additional batch of S-400s from Turkey is on the agenda, it has not gone anywhere. We agree on the composition of the system, delivery terms and other conditions, " he said.
    "Today, the negotiation process is underway, and we hope that in the foreseeable future we will come to a common denominator. This is the foreseeable future. Once again, no one has removed this issue. There is no reason to say that the topic is "covered up" or it is not on the agenda, " the head of the Federal customs service of Russia said on March 16.
    As reported, Turkey bought four s-400 divisions from Russia. on October 23, 2019, Rosoboronexport reported that Russia fulfilled this contract ahead of schedule, supplying Turkey with all elements of the S-400 systems, including missiles.
    S-400-long-range anti-aircraft missile system (JSC "concern of East Kazakhstan region "Almaz-Antey").
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:53 pm

    Turkey defends from the sanctions up to a point by argument that it will buy any other in performance similar system if the price is competent and places no restriction on geography

    so it basically takes the argument away from free market lobbiest countries. Because Turkey chose the path of the independent policy maker it will not rely on only one supply source

    because in such case that same source retainers position from which can put Turkey back in the line according to its own and not Turkey will as it pleases. That is why we may see

    gradual transition of Turkey towards other sources one of which is Russia. Turkey aviation can now be prone to sanctions and as US is the sole

    supplier of Turkey fighters and as Trump presidency is not guaranteed Turkey fear of democrats who previously tried to assassinate its leadership will mean Su-35 also or perhaps China

    design.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 07, 2020 9:08 pm

    Preparations for a new S-400 deal is in motion thumbsup

    Russia and Turkey discuss the composition and timing of the new supply of S-400
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    Post  dino00 on Thu May 07, 2020 10:54 pm

    Viktor wrote:Preparations for a new S-400 deal is in motion  thumbsup

    Russia and Turkey discuss the composition and timing of the new supply of S-400

    With some components made in Turkey.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 07, 2020 11:11 pm

    Surprised Turkey has enough money.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri May 08, 2020 7:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Surprised Turkey has enough money.

    Well you have what you have and nothing more than that but purchase only whats the most important Smile
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    Post  nero on Sat May 09, 2020 12:22 am

    Viktor wrote:Preparations for a new S-400 deal is in motion  thumbsup

    Russia and Turkey discuss the composition and timing of the new supply of S-400
    Unlikely to happen, because it does not seem that Turkey will have any money left to buy these with. They will likely aim for an IMF loan to get them out of the current disastrous situation and it will come with certain demands from the United States.

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