Russia-Turkey S-400 missile deal

Contract signed to supply Russian S-400 missile systems to Turkey – exporter

A contract to supply S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to Turkey has been signed but has not yet entered into force, the head of Russian defense giant Rosoboronexport said.

“The contract has been signed, but it has not entered into force yet,” Rosoboronexport Director General Aleksey Mikheev told reporters on Tuesday, adding that “the work is still ongoing, technical issues remain.”

Hürriyet Daily News‏Verified account @HDNER 8h8 hours ago

Turkey has put down a deposit on S-400 missiles to Russia: Erdoğan http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-has-put-down-a-deposit-on-s-400-missiles-to-russia-erdogan-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=117844&NewsCatID=510 … @VahapMunyar
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Turkey pays deposit to Russia on purchase of S-400 missile systems

So, no build in Turkey option.

Vladimir Kozhin, Russian presidential aide for military and technical cooperation, said on Friday that Turkey has made an advance payment for the Russian S-400 missile system.

"The contract has entered into force, the advance payment has been made, I cannot say about the timeframe now," Kozhin said.

He did emphasize that there was no discussion on allowing Turkey to have production technology for the S-400 system.

"We are not speaking about it, as yet we speak only about supplies of ready weapons, technologies - no," he said.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/turkey-makes-first-payment-for-russian.html

I think that it isn't very economical to open a production line in Turkey for two S-400 systems. There is no infrastructure in Turkey to produce eastern weapon systems such as S-400 and HQ-9.

Also Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Mehmet Şimşek said that, Turkey will pay 9 Million Turkish Lira for a single S-400 system. (9 Million TL= 2,5 Million Dollar)

Local production just makes everything much more expensive... unless Turkey wants hundreds of batteries and hundreds of thousands of missiles it does not make sense for local production.

Better to use offset packages and basically end up paying in local products...

Turkey will return S-400, if Russia refuses from their joint production

Ankara may refuse to purchase S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems from Moscow unless an agreement on their joint production is reached. This was stated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey Mevlut Cavusoglu in an interview with the newspaper Akşam, published on Monday.

"We did not receive any official refusal on this topic. [Russian President Vladimir] Putin himself told us that we can take steps for joint production. Therefore, the technology will be relevant. But if Russia is negative about this, we can conclude an agreement with another country, "the minister said.

"We need to buy them urgently [S-400], because they have a need. We need to protect our airspace. However, if the countries opposed to Russia do not want Turkey to buy from her the S-400, then they must give us their option, "Cavusoglu stressed.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan reported on September 12 that Ankara had signed an agreement with Moscow on the acquisition of S-400 systems, and the deposit has already been paid. In late September, this was confirmed by Vladimir Kozhin, the presidential aide on military-technical cooperation. At the same time, he stressed that "the issue of transferring the technology of production of S-400 anti-aircraft systems to Turkey is not being discussed."

http://politlife.ru/world/14626/

Translation from Russian article.

If you don't like the deal then go elsewhere. If it is so hugely important to your national security then buy it and stop whining. Russia can do without your tomatoes. It's probably some type of pressure to get Russia to transfer the S-400 technology and internal systems that they are after.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said there was no problem with the purchase of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft systems, adding that Ankara also held talks on the S-500, a THAAD-type system, currently under development.

“In our talks with [Russia President Vladimir] Putin we are not thinking of stopping with the S-400s. We have had talks on the S-500s too,” Erdogan said, speaking to reporters as he returned from a trip to Ukraine and Serbia, as cited by Habertürk newspaper and Reuters.

According to the Turkish president, there won’t be any joint production in the first stage of S-400 purchases.

“…but in the second stage, God willing, we will take joint production steps,” Erdogan said.

No problem in buying Russian S-400s, Erdogan says, hints at S-500 talks

Turkish Defence Minister Nurettin Canikli says the first delivery of the Russian S-400 missile system is planned for 2019
https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/933258800458383360

Russian-Turkish contract on S-400 missile systems worth $2.5 bln — Rostec corporation

The first deliveries of the S-400 systems to Turkey will begin in March 2020


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http://tass.com/defense/983237

Ankara, Moscow seal historic S-400 missile deal

Looks like US is now offering Patriot SAM system to Turkey. So we will see if Turkey takes it over S-400. Wonder if now contract signed, and if Turkey then says no, that they have to pay compensation to Russia?

miketheterrible wrote:Looks like US is now offering Patriot SAM system to Turkey. So we will see if Turkey takes it over S-400.  Wonder if now contract signed, and if Turkey then says no, that they have to pay compensation to Russia?

They won't. The S-400 is a political choice. They won't go for a less capable patriot from US while Erdogan is blaming US interventions in Middle East and says to its people that US want to control the country.

They also signed with europeans to develop their own system. So it's unlikly they go for a US system.

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Looks like US is now offering Patriot SAM system to Turkey. So we will see if Turkey takes it over S-400.  Wonder if now contract signed, and if Turkey then says no, that they have to pay compensation to Russia?

They won't. The S-400 is a political choice. They won't go for a less capable patriot from US while Erdogan is blaming US interventions in Middle East and says to its people that US want to control the country.

They also signed with europeans to develop their own system. So it's unlikly they go for a US system.

I rather believe that too. S-400 is more capable anyway, and Turkey wanted to development but didn't get it so went with European development, so you are right. Chances are, they will tell the US to take a hike. Especially now average Turks sentiment for Russia is very high compared to their sentiment of US

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Looks like US is now offering Patriot SAM system to Turkey. So we will see if Turkey takes it over S-400.  Wonder if now contract signed, and if Turkey then says no, that they have to pay compensation to Russia?

They won't. The S-400 is a political choice. They won't go for a less capable patriot from US while Erdogan is blaming US interventions in Middle East and says to its people that US want to control the country.

They also signed with europeans to develop their own system. So it's unlikly they go for a US system.

I rather believe that too. S-400 is more capable anyway, and Turkey wanted to development but didn't get it so went with European development, so you are right. Chances are, they will tell the US to take a hike. Especially now average Turks sentiment for Russia is very high compared to their sentiment of US

They are also hiding lot of stuff about the miltary coup. It's like they knew US were behind it and they found some agreements to forget everything but Turks as americans haven't forget and they will probably try to take Erdogan from power and a war isn't impossible between US and turks, at least it's more probable than a war with russia.

There are even some tensions between high rank militaries. Like during a nato exercice when they used the picture of Erdogan as a terrorist. It's impossible that it is a mistake ...

That's why they also choosed s-400 in my opinion. But it's just my opinion. We don't know what's going on between them.

Turkish Undersecretary for Defence Industries says "Deliveries of S-400 to Turkey will be held in July 2019 "
https://twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSM/status/981267282834935808

This is probably making US establishment even happier than India closing the S-400 deal early this week

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22627/Saudi_Russia_Talks_on_S_400_Missile_Defence_System_Purchase__Progressing_

Will they sanction Saudi Arabia? Will they stop selling them billions in weapons?

No wonder they want the S-400 after the failures of the Patriot system.

Turkey to begin deployment of S-400 air defense systems in 2019

The Turkish defense minister did not specify areas where the S-400 systems would be deployed, only saying that work was underway

MOSCOW, October 25. /TASS/. Ankara will begin the deployment of the Russian-made S-400 air defense systems in October 2019, Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said on Thursday, adding that Ankara had started recruiting military personnel to maintain the complexes.

"The deployment of these systems will begin in October 2019. We are currently recruiting personnel to maintain these complexes. These people will go to Russia in early 2019 to receive necessary training," Akar said, as cited by the Milliyet daily. However, the Turkish defense minister did not specify areas where the S-400 systems would be deployed, only saying that work was underway.

Akar added that he believed "the US and NATO’s concern regarding the S-400 purchase to be irrelevant." "We will neither cause concern to the US and NATO nor create any problems for them. [The S-400 purchase] is not a matter of choice for Turkey, but a necessity," he stressed. The minister pointed out that Ankara had earlier requested the United States and European countries to sell their air defense systems to Turkey but had not received answers yet.

"We are not a country that only buys now, we are a state that creates knowledge and has production opportunities. The agreements we signed contain such provisions and since there are such provisions in the S-400 agreement, we are purchasing these systems," Akar said.

A military diplomat told TASS earlier that Russia’s defense companies had been tasked to complete the production of the S-400 systems for Ankara in May 2019. Turkey has become the second foreign buyer of the S-400 systems after China. An official announcement about the signing of a contract on the delivery of the S-400 systems was made in September 2017. Initial plans said that the systems would be handed over to Turkey in early 2020 but Ankara requested that the delivery be sped up.

The S-400 Triumf (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) is the most advanced long-range anti-aircraft missile system that went into service in 2007. It is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range ones, and can also be used against ground objectives. The S-400 complex can engage targets at a distance of 400 km and at an altitude of up to 30 km.


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http://tass.com/defense/1027761

Source: around 100 Turkish military to start 5-month training to operate S-400 in 2019

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http://tass.com/defense/1027891

Russia, Turkey performed S-400 contract without using dollar settlements, says Putin

MOSCOW, November 28. /TASS/. Russia and Turkey managed to perform the S-400 contract without using the US dollar as a means of payment, Russian President Vladimir Putin told the VTB Capital’s investment forum Russia Calling!

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"I’ve just talked to the Turkish president, literally half an hour ago. We discussed a number of concrete issues. I would like to recall our military-technical cooperation contract, the one for S-400 air defense systems. We are aware that if we perform the settlements in US dollars, they will not be effected. We devised a different solution and the transaction was fulfilled," he said.


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http://tass.com/defense/1033113

Turkish defense official confirms deliveries of Russia’s S-400 systems to begin this year

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http://tass.com/defense/1043746

Erdogan: Turkey is ready in the future to consider options for acquiring the S-500 from Russia

As the President of Turkey noted, “the topic with the S-400 is already completed”

ANKARA, March 6th. / TASS /. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday that the deal with Russia on the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems S-400 is a completed deal, and did not rule out that Ankara may in the future consider purchasing options for the S-500. The Turkish leader made corresponding statements on the air of the TV channel 24 TV .

“The topic with S-400 has already been completed, we will not give up on it in any way. We have agreed with Russia, perhaps there will be joint production. Maybe after S-400 we will also consider options with S-500,” he said. .

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6194488

dino00 wrote:Erdogan: Turkey is ready in the future to consider options for acquiring the S-500 from Russia  

As the President of Turkey noted, “the topic with the S-400 is already completed”

ANKARA, March 6th. / TASS /. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday that the deal with Russia on the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems S-400 is a completed deal, and did not rule out that Ankara may in the future consider purchasing options for the S-500. The Turkish leader made corresponding statements on the air of the TV channel 24 TV .

“The topic with S-400 has already been completed, we will not give up on it in any way. We have agreed with Russia, perhaps there will be joint production. Maybe after S-400 we will also consider options with S-500,” he said. .

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/6194488

Yet in the obtuse mind of US bureaucrats, this is a further incentive to keep insisting with Patriot

BTW the F-35 deliveries to Turkey look each time less likely...answers like this come from Turkey