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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:27 am

    I seem to remember under the CFE agreement that European Russia was allowed to have a total of 6,000 tanks, of which 2,000 or so were deployed and the remaining 4,000 were in storage at any one time.

    There were no limits on the tanks in the far east that was not considered Europe.

    These levels were said to be pretty normal for the Russian Army but there were limits to certain areas that were not imposed on any other country that signed the CFE treaty as the fear was that if the CFE treaty reduced pressure in central europe that Russia might move armour to the north and south, which would be destabilising in those areas so there was a lot of fine print regarding deployment.

    The real problem was that the Russians were the only side that actually signed the CFE treaty... the rest of NATO have not signed because they claimed peacekeeping Russian forces in South Ossetia and Nagorni Karabach violated the letter of the CFE treaty about basing armour in Europe.

    With Russia being the only country to have signed it was pretty unfair that the rules only applied to them so Putin unilaterally declared that Russia would only be bound by the rules of the CFE treaty when the other parties all signed it too.

    I very much doubt the CFE will ever come into effect as I doubt the Russians will accept all the rules regarding their internal placement of armour... no other CFE member has any limits on where they can place armour in their own country.

    More importantly it was supposed to be about balance but as most members of the warsaw pact and even parts of the former soviet union are now part of NATO it really is not about balance at all.
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    Post  littlerabbit Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:47 am

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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:24 am

    Prospective work of LLC "Military-Industrial Company"

    On August 24, 2017, TASS agency published an interesting interview with the General Director of the Military Industrial Company (MIC) Alexander Krasovitsky.

    The largest manufacturer of wheeled armored personnel carriers in Russia The military industrial company (VPK) continues to create new cars in the interests of the military. The experimental design work (ROC) for the new generation of Tigers has already been opened, a medical version of the armored "beast" has been created, and a prototype of the modernized BTR-87 has been presented. General director of the company Alexander Krasovitsky told about these and other projects in the field of wheeled armored vehicles, as well as about deliveries of "Tigers" abroad and results of the company's activity last year in an interview with TASS on the fields of the International Military Technical Forum "Army-2017".

    - Please tell us about the novelty of the forum - BTR-87.


    - This is an enterprising pilot-design work, which the military-industrial complex has made on an initiative basis at its own expense. There may be a stern exit for paratroopers with a swinging door, as presented in the sample at the exhibition, or we can make a very comfortable folding ramp again in the stern. This is the main difference between the BTR-87 and the BTR-82A, where the landing is disembarked through hatches that are located in the sides of the hull.

    Plus, the fact that the engine is in front, also increases the safety of the crew. In addition, there is a more "toothy" combat module: anti-tank guided missiles are added and our traditional 30-millimeter cannon is used. The machine should first of all be interested in our native Ministry of Defense, and after that we will deduce it to foreign markets. BTR-87 has already passed a number of tests, now we represent the first sample of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in order to open an experimental design work in the interests of the military department.

    - What about the "Tiger" project with a 30-millimeter gun?

    - We showed it in 2016, already fired from this car. This, again, is an initiative development, which we and our colleagues from the "766 UPTK" did quickly enough.

    The combat module of this machine can be controlled remotely within a radius of up to one kilometer, or it can work in standalone mode according to the program. Nobody believed that we could put a 30mm cannon on a four-axle machine weighing up to 8 tons, but we showed that it is feasible and that it works. In principle, we are ready to make such machines, now we are looking for customers.

    - The Ministry of Defense announced that they are interested in this sample. Is there an arrangement?


    - I told about this machine to Sergey Kuzhugetovich (Shoigu - TASS comment) in Sochi during a meeting with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. He said that we are ready to begin production of this sample.

    Today, I know, KamAZ makes a Typhoon with a 30mm cannon, but it's heavier and almost twice as expensive. I believe that the potential of our car is very large. Arrangements with the Defense Ministry on procurement yet, but we are in the process of opening up a pilot project in the military. It will be called "Leopard". There is already a decision by Yuri Ivanovich Borisov to open this ROC. Now we go through all the stages.

    "Will you open this year?"

    - I think yes. A couple of months, and we'll open it.

    - How did the scraped-off Tigers go through the tests? Will there be supplies to the Airborne Forces?

    - We threw this car at different angles, from different heights. The paratroopers deliberately turned over to the roof, then put them on the wheels, the car started and went. Now we are at the stage of finding a counterparty, who will make us a special platform for the landing of the Tiger.

    - What are the prospects for the new machine "Bear"?

    - In my opinion, this is one of the most secure machines our company makes. "Bear" holds under the bottom seven kilograms of TNT. We hope that sales of this car will go. She is already interested in foreign customers, and "Bear" is accepted for the supply of Rosgvardia, which plans to continue purchasing this machine.

    - It was reported that Egypt wants to buy from Russia armored vehicles "Tiger". Are there arrangements?


    - Yes, we are working, we are talking about 50 machines, and, probably, in the near future we will sign a contract.

    - What about the project of a new generation of "Tigers", and how will it be called?

    - We opened the OCD in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, whose name is "Athlete". It's no secret that the Tiger is 10 years old, and during this time we made about 700 changes to the design. Now we understand that it is necessary to increase mine resistance and ballistic resistance. It will be a more powerful car, designed for 10 people, it will be much more comfortable for the crew.

    - Are there any new contracts for the supply of your cars abroad?

    - Yes, but I would not like to disclose the details, so as not to frighten them away, as they say.

    - At what stage is the work on the project "Boomerang"?

    - Today the car passes preliminary tests, every day we pass the tests, we are shooting. In addition, we will shoot at the dynamic display, and in the dynamics we will show the BTR-82A with a thermal imaging sight.

    - By the way, from what year will the deliveries to the troops of BTR-82A with a thermal imaging sight begin?

    - Since 2019, all APCs will be supplied with a thermal imaging sight. If necessary, we are ready to make overhaul and put these sights on the armored personnel carriers in service.

    - Tell me more about your new medical "Tiger".

    - We made this machine in an initiative six months ago. This car can be made in both armored and unarmored versions.

    We plan to do it on the basis of the 136th "Tiger", this is the fifth class of protection that keeps the hit of a bullet with a heat-strengthened core from a 7.62 mm caliber Kalashnikov assault rifle. The car became taller, there can be placed four wounded soldiers in a horizontal position or four in a sitting position, plus a driver, a doctor or a paramedic and another medical worker. The horizon of sales is also good, today foreign colleagues are beginning to be interested.

    - How did the year 2016 end for the company?

    - For today, I position the company at a good level, we are developing, our products are in demand, despite the difficult political situation. Moreover, another plant, the Bryansk Arsenal, entered the company, and now we are on the way to joining the Zavolzhsky plant of caterpillar tractors, a decision on which has already been taken, this will happen in January-February. We are becoming a large holding company that produces armored vehicles.

    - How is the import substitution program carried out?


    - The current situation only helped us to develop. Today, many things have mastered themselves, and those pieces of iron that we previously bought from the countries of NATO or Ukraine, we have mastered in production. We have built up new competencies and are independent of anyone.

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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:45 am

    Works of JSC "Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering"

    On August 25, 2017, the TASS news agency published an interview with Sergey Abdulov, chief designer of the JSC "Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering" (Kurgan).

    Designed by the design bureau of the Kharkov Tractor Plant, the MT-LB caterpillar armored personnel carrier is obsolete and needs to be replaced. It will be replaced by the newest BT-3F machine, which is developed under the code "Armor". Sergey Abdulov, Chief Designer of the Special Machine-Building Design Bureau of Machine Building, told TASS on the fields of the International Military Technical Forum "Army-2017" how the new armored personnel carrier for the Russian army will be, as the "Kurganets-25" test and what will change in the modernized BMP- 3.

    - Let's start with BT-3F, this is a new project, so tell us more about it.


    - The main direction of application of the new machine is the replacement of MT-LB and MT-LBU. BT-3F is a more advanced and more protected armored personnel carrier. Initially, the issue of creating such a machine was supplied by a foreign customer to replace the BTR-50s in service.

    Nevertheless, one must understand that in our country there are potential customers for this machine. For example, there are a number of enterprises that want to create different types of weapons on the basis of BT-3F - in particular, communications and control technology, command and staff cars and so on.

    - What is the status of this car? Is OCD open?

    - We carry out a full-scale experimental design work commissioned by the Ministry of Defense under the code "Armor".

    - It is known that Indonesia wants to buy such an armored personnel carrier, are they negotiating with them?


    - Negotiations are under way. By the way, cooperation with this country has been carried out for a long time. For example, our Indonesian partners have been using BMP-3F for several years in our production and are very satisfied.

    Representatives of KSCM and Kurganmashzavod went to the territory of the customer, where they represented this car. It is worth noting that we are not the only players in this market - there is a competitive struggle, since Indonesians are also considering machines produced by other states. But our armored personnel carrier has certain advantages over its competitors. This is due to the fact that our machines are subjected to more rigorous factory tests.

    - Given that the OCD is in the military's interest, when is it planned to complete preliminary tests of BT-3F?

    - Factory testing is planned to be completed next year.

    - The combat module "Tit", which you installed on BMD-4M - is the one from which Vladimir Anatolyevich Shamanov fired at the time?

    - Not certainly in that way. He shot a prototype, which was made, you can say, "on the knee." "Titmouse" was created from scratch - the technical assignment of the Ministry of Defense was issued to it, the product is now being pre-tested.

    - What are the main differences from the module "Bakhcha-U", which is now on BMD-4M?

    - The main difference is, of course, unification with BMP-3. Unified power block and undercarriage of the car, now we unify the fighting compartment. In addition, our module is cheaper than "Bahci" and has the ability to fire on air targets through the commander's sight.

    - Are there any further plans for upgrading the BMP-3?

    - We do not share these products, since the further direction of unification simultaneously determines the direction of modernization. Roughly speaking, having installed the commander's panoramic sight on the "Tit", we automatically plan to install it on BMP-3.

    Foreign customers are interested in such modernization, first of all the UAE, who evaluated such a possibility of modernization, and this will be useful for our army.

    - What are the tests of "Kurganets-25"?

    - As you know, now we are conducting preliminary tests. The fact is that the machine is new, so every node and element requires its own kind of tests. Road trials are under way, the next stage is firing, then special tests.

    - What is it?

    - This test determines the security of the product.

    "So they'll shoot at her?"

    - Without fail.

    - What is the line of cars on the platform "Kurganets-25"?

    - In the future, it is planned to install on this platform all types of weapons that are suitable for carrying capacity and type, as well as in accordance with the wishes of the customer. This will be a large line, so it's difficult to limit the list to a specific one.

    The idea of ​​the Ministry of Defense is to make unified platforms of all classes. Speaking of wheeled vehicles, this is "Boomerang", if the light and medium tracked - "Kurganets", and if it's heavy, then it's "Armata".

    - What other OCD do you lead?

    - In principle, these are the machines we are talking about

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    Post  T-47 Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:10 am

    The combat module "Tit"?

    Umm.....okay. I mean well played Russia well played.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:54 pm

    RussianDefence.com‏ @Russian_Defence 23h23 hours ago
    Replying to @Russian_Defence

    RuMoD recently ordered 3Ya75 olymer boxes for its 82/120/122/125mm shells to replace the wooden ones.Firearms next? http://twower.livejournal.com/2131325.html


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    Post  George1 Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:13 pm

    Russian Arms Expo from 2018 may be returned to Nizhny Tagil in Urals - Deputy PM Rogozin

    The Staratel Training Area is situated in the Sverdlovsk Region near the city of Nizhny Tagil, the center of Russia’s tank industry

    MOSCOW, September 9. /TASS/. The Russian Arms Expo from 2018 may again be hosted in the Urals' Nizhny Tagil, Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Saturday at events devoted to marking of the Tankman Day.

    "This Tankman Day lacks the traditional exhibition, which formerly used to be in Nizhny Tagil, and I do not think this is correct," he said. "I think, Nizhny Tagil deserves hosting this event with a big, serious international program."

    "I promise to you that next year here besides a tank show we shall organize an exhibition and a big military-industrial conference," he added

    The government has made this decision already, he added. "We have decided so and will correct the mistake."

    The Staratel Training Area is situated in the Sverdlovsk Region near the city of Nizhny Tagil, the center of Russia’s tank industry. From 1999 to 2015, the tank driving range had hosted 25 national and international exhibitions, including 10 Russian Arms Expo - Nizhny Tagil (RAE) international arms shows, with RAE to move to the Patriot Park in the Moscow Region in future.


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    Post  George1 Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:43 am

    Demonstration of samples of the T-90M tank and the BMPT combat vehicle during the joint strategic exercises "West-2017" of the armed forces of Russia and Belarus at the 33rd combined-arms range near Luga in the Leningrad Region

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:55 pm

    Definitely not what you want in an exercise, especially being filmed live. The first clip is the event and the second the aftermath, not really a civilian area but clearly off limits to attack helicopters.

    Cemal‏ @Acemal71 5h5 hours ago

    Ka-52 accidentally hit civilian area in Russian-Belarusian #Zapad-2107 exercises.



    https://twitter.com/Acemal71/status/910078050313924608

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    Post  T-47 Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:00 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Definitely not what you want in an exercise, especially being filmed live. The first clip is the event and the second the aftermath, not really a civilian area but clearly off limits to attack helicopters.

    Cemal‏ @Acemal71 5h5 hours ago

    Ka-52 accidentally hit civilian area in Russian-Belarusian #Zapad-2107 exercises.



    https://twitter.com/Acemal71/status/910078050313924608

    https://twitter.com/sashakots/status/910087011746410497


    Thats an army truck there! Command post I guess. WTF happened :/
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:05 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Definitely not what you want in an exercise, especially being filmed live. The first clip is the event and the second the aftermath, not really a civilian area but clearly off limits to attack helicopters.

    Cemal‏ @Acemal71 5h5 hours ago

    Ka-52 accidentally hit civilian area in Russian-Belarusian #Zapad-2107 exercises.





    Thats an army truck there! Command post I guess. WTF happened :/
    From a US outfit

    MOSCOW — A Russian news website says two people were wounded when a helicopter gunship accidentally fired on spectators during military drills in western Russia.

    The video on the online 66.ru news portal shows a pair of helicopter gunships buzzing low, with one of them firing a rocket that explodes next to a spectator.

    It said Tuesday two people were wounded and two vehicles destroyed in the incident during the Zapad (West) 2017 maneuvers. It said it happened Sunday or Monday at the Luzhsky range, about 100 kilometers (60 miles) east of the border with Estonia.
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    The Russian military acknowledged Tuesday the video was genuine, but denied it happened Monday. It did not specify when or where the incident in the video took place but said no one was hurt.


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:09 pm

    It gets better, this is apparently the gun camera footage plus a video from further back. Very lucky a dozen soldiers were not wiped out.

    https://twitter.com/prostoigo/status/910147401721241602
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    Post  T-47 Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:It gets better, this is apparently the gun camera footage plus a video from further back. Very lucky a dozen soldiers were not wiped out.

    https://twitter.com/prostoigo/status/910147401721241602


    Only the right helo fired. Accidental push on trigger? Those were unguided rockets....
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:31 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:It gets better, this is apparently the gun camera footage plus a video from further back. Very lucky a dozen soldiers were not wiped out.

    https://twitter.com/prostoigo/status/910147401721241602


    Only the right helo fired. Accidental push on trigger? Those were unguided rockets....
    Looks to be 3 days ago at a different event than the exercise and, as you say, it seems to have been trigger related, firing on arming.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:31 pm

    Very nasty crash 5 days ago. The video is astonishing, talk about 'get out of our way' driving. Terrible. RIP the General but I feel sorry for the civilians in this, the last car that the van hit had no chance.

    Aki Heikkinen‏ @akihheikkinen Sep 19

    VDV commander Colonel-General Serdyukov and VDV training commander Major-General Kochetkov both seriously injured in this crash #Zapad2017 >

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    Commander of Russian VDV army, who during #Zapad2017 on the way to Pechenga got into accident, has died in hospital.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:05 am

    This is why you should go with armored cars not simply black Vans.
    Jesus that goddamn idiot tried to pass the lane and F'ed everything up, who the F go's faster after seeing a police car and 2 black vans pass at high speed.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:10 am

    Russians cant drive worth shit. And this is just an example of it. I hope the guy in the white car is alive, but I hope he/she will face the full arm of the law. There needs to be much stricter rules of the road.
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    Post  eehnie Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:32 am

    salt on
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:43 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Russians cant drive worth shit.  And this is just an example of it.  I hope the guy in the white car is alive, but I hope he/she will face the full arm of the law.  There needs to be much stricter rules of the road.
    Can't see that that guy did anything wrong, he slowed down behind the first car and pulled sufficiently to the side of the road for the van to pass him. It was the third car's driver/car that caused the crash. For some reason he didn't or couldn't slow down fast enough. I suspect that the car did not have ABS and or good tyres as it looks as if he was skidding out of control until he hit the white SUV and van virtually simultaneously. He then paid the ultimate price.

    According to the MoD the General has not died.
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    Post  T-47 Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:33 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Can't see that that guy did anything wrong, he slowed down behind the first car and pulled sufficiently to the side of the road for the van to pass him. It was the third car's driver/car that caused the crash. For some reason he didn't or couldn't slow down fast enough. I suspect that the car did not have ABS and or good tyres as it looks as if he was skidding out of control until he hit the white SUV and van virtually simultaneously. He then paid the ultimate price.

    According to the MoD the General has not died.


    The guy did completely wrong man. He turned his left and came right into the van, while the thing he should've done is to turn right. It'd take him in the bushes the car might got flipped (worst case) several times but he had A LOT better chance of surviving. Even if he died there would be only one causality.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:10 pm

    The guy was just a brainless retard who thought he was king of the road and tried to overtake the 2 cars in front of him while not giving a shit about cars in the opposite lane.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:16 pm

    Final comment from me. I think you are both wrong. I have been driving for nearly 55 years and over 1m km, in my experience there was no way that car was set up for a passing manoeuvrer. Look at the vid at the start of 21 seconds the driver is under 10m from the car in front with no hope of slowing quickly enough, the van is still in front of him and he has no chance of steering round the car in front. As I said before I believe that driver had his foot hard on the brake as he slid out of control to his death. His only hope was to have gone square into the SUV or into the side of the road but if his wheels were locked he couldn't do that.

    But I've never driven in Russia Very Happy
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:52 pm

    Restored the 45th Separate Engineering and Masking Regiment

    As Izvestiya newspaper writes in the article by Alexei Ramm and Yevgeny Andreev, "The Defense Ministry has regained the inflatable regiment, the new military unit will hide the troops from enemy satellites, drones and reconnaissance aircraft, and build fictitious airfields and missile positions," the Russian military department again formed a unique military unit. The 45th separate engineering and camouflage regiment (WWIS) will make important military and social facilities invisible to satellites, reconnaissance aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles. Also, in just a few minutes, servicemen can deploy false artillery positions, missile systems and even build a fictitious airfield. For this purpose, in the arsenal of the regiment there are inflatable models of tanks, guns, infantry fighting vehicles, air defense complexes and other weapons systems. For such an unusual equipment, the 45th regiment received a nickname from the military "inflatable" regiment.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2861999.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:59 pm


    An unusual article by legendary ultra-liberal parasite Mary Dejevsky

    Russia was the target of Nato's own fake news

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russia-zapad-2017-putin-west-fake-news-us-world-war-three-ukraine-belarus-nato-a7961856.html

    And if content isn't unusual enough you also have the joy of watching neocon fluffers accusing her of all people of being Russian stooge in the comment section. Liberal revolution truly eats it's own children...   lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:15 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    An unusual article by legendary ultra-liberal parasite Mary Dejevsky

    Russia was the target of Nato's own fake news

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russia-zapad-2017-putin-west-fake-news-us-world-war-three-ukraine-belarus-nato-a7961856.html

    And if content isn't unusual enough you also have the joy of watching neocon fluffers accusing her of all people of being Russian stooge in the comment section. Liberal revolution truly eats it's own children...   lol1

    Well nothing beats Polish MoD Maciarewicz. He said that Russia is going to use nukes during Zapad maneuvers. Then his spokesman explained that this was about nuclear assault on Warsaw. But he is a beautiful mind anyway.

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