Russian Naval Aviation: News

medo wrote:Anyone know, if Yak-130 for Navy will be equipped with arrester hook, or they will continue to use Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings.

I think they just intend to use MiG-29KUB. UTG is almost dead, and Yak-130s are for land base use.

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:Anyone know, if Yak-130 for Navy will be equipped with arrester hook, or they will continue to use Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings.

I think they just intend to use MiG-29KUB. UTG is almost dead, and Yak-130s are for land base use.

KUB almost for sure!

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:Anyone know, if Yak-130 for Navy will be equipped with arrester hook, or they will continue to use Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings.

I think they just intend to use MiG-29KUB. UTG is almost dead, and Yak-130s are for land base use.

MiG-29KUB will be on carrier. Yak-130 will be on naval ground training center (Crimea or in Russia), where they have ski jump and arrester wires for trainings of new pilots, before they will go to carrier. maybe they will order more MiG-29KUB for training center for this task.

medo wrote:

TR1 wrote:

medo wrote:Anyone know, if Yak-130 for Navy will be equipped with arrester hook, or they will continue to use Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings.

I think they just intend to use MiG-29KUB. UTG is almost dead, and Yak-130s are for land base use.

MiG-29KUB will be on carrier. Yak-130 will be on naval ground training center (Crimea or in Russia), where they have ski jump and arrester wires for trainings of new pilots, before they will go to carrier. maybe they will order more MiG-29KUB for training center for this task.

i tried to search it but there is no yak-130 with a tail hook so they probably won't be used for both.

Yeah, that is what I thought as well, but I could be wrong..

http://www.yak.ru/ENG/PROD/new_130m.php

Interesting is, that Yakovlev show carrier trainer as one of Yak-130 versions. This one is the simplest modification. they only have to add the hook, strenghten the landing gear and add instruments for maritime navigation.

Huh, but you are right, the modification would be quick and easy.

Russian Defense Ministry will spend more than 2 billion rubles for buoys for Naval Aviation

Prospects for the Russian Naval Aviation 2015

1) Naval aviation eventually will receive more than 20 MiG-29Ks, which will become the basis for the formation of a new aviation military unit in the Northern Fleet

2) Continue to repair and restore the Be-12.

3) Pacific fleet will start receiving Il-38N.

4) Active modernization of the existing and well-established anti-submarine helicopters Ka-27PL

5) Black Sea Fleet will continue replacing Su-24 with Su-30SM. There are currently 2 contracts for 5 and 7 aircrafts

6) Start the reception of rescue aircraft Be-200


http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1173208.html

Russia’s Naval Air Forces to Receive Brand New Landing System

The system is expected to deliver a fully automatic landing approach which will resolve various problems with landing in bad weather conditions.

Russia will develop a highly precise automatic carrier landing system for the Naval Forces, according to navy commander Major General Igor Kozhin.

"Currently, we are designing a system that is expected to provide the accuracy of one meter near the landing point. Its development has already begun, and surely will be completed," Kozhin said.

He also added that the system is expected to deliver a fully automatic landing approach which will resolve various problems with landing in bad weather conditions.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150214/1018273030.html#ixzz3RjMNy95L

New aircraft of the Russian naval aviation will be able to perform unmanned flights
Russian Aviaton » Wednesday February 25, 2015 14:42 MSK

Command of the Russian naval aviation wants the aircraft industry to develop aircraft and helicopters able to perform both manned and unmanned flights, Chief of the naval aviation of Russian NAVY, Major General Igor Kozhin, told RIA Novosti.

“The next-generation aircraft and helicopters will be able to perform both manned and unmanned flights depending on the mission. That’s the goal we have set for the industry and we believe that it is attainable,” Kozhin said.

He added that the pilot don’t have to risk his life during test flights covering 3 or 4 thousand kilometers, because the aircraft may do it itself.

Nevertheless, according to him, it is impossible to operate a fully unmanned aerial vehicle, because there are situations, when a human must make a decision.

Russia's Baltic Fleet Naval Aviation Conducts Training Flights

The Russian Defense Ministry reported that the crews of Su-27 fighter jets and Su-24M bombers of the Baltic Fleet's naval aviation conducted a series of night training flights as a part of snap combat readiness drills in the Barents Sea.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The crews of the Baltic Fleet's naval aviation conducted a series of night training operations and are planning to practice bombing shortly, the Russian Defense Ministry's press service said Thursday.

"As part of the large-scale exercise…the crews of Su-27 fighter jets and Su-24M bombers of the Baltic Fleet's naval aviation conducted a series of night training flights," the press service said.

According to the press service, Su-24M bombers will also practice striking ground targets located on the Baltic Fleet's range.

On Wednesday, Russia's Western Military District said more than 20 ships of the Baltic Fleet were conducting defense drills. The tactical groups involved in the exercise included diesel-electric submarines, small missile and anti-submarine boats as well as minesweepers and various ships of the auxiliary fleet.

Earlier on Wednesday, the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Russian Navy had started battle drills in the Barents Sea.

Military drills are also taking place in the Black Sea, with Russia's Black Sea Fleet conducting search for a simulated enemy's submarines and carrying out minesweeping tasks.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150319/1019702291.html#ixzz3UpKxILBb

Carrier-based fighters Su-33 after modernization will serve for 10 years

George1 wrote:Carrier-based fighters Su-33 after modernization will serve for 10 years

OMG WTF is WRONG with these people!???
I heard of this Su-33 'modernization' program once before, since I never heard of it again though I breathed easier and safely assigned it into the forgotten BS and bad ideas pile.

But now this..

Why spend money on this pointless modernization program if the MiG-29Ks are ready for duty?
What was the point of developing the MiG-29K in the first place - just for India?
In 10 years time, the naval PAK-FAs will be ready and the MiG-29K might as well be skipped altogether.

I don't get the logic modernizing these well-worn shells, that take up way more room than the compact MiG-29Ks and neccessitate the precence of a completely different aircraft for training purposes; while not offering anything the MiG-29Ks can't offer.
Even if the Kuznetsov isn't going to be floated in for refit and modernization anytime soon, there seems to be no justification for keeping these sea-worn veterans of the fleet around - they're due for retirement not modernization.

flamming_python wrote:
But now this..

Why spend money on this pointless modernization program if the MiG-29Ks are ready for duty?
What was the point of developing the MiG-29K in the first place - just for India?
In 10 years time, the naval PAK-FAs will be ready and the MiG-29K might as well be skipped altogether.

I don't get the logic modernizing these well-worn shells, that take up way more room than the compact MiG-29Ks and neccessitate the precence of a completely different aircraft for training purposes; while not offering anything the MiG-29Ks can't offer.
Even if the Kuznetsov isn't going to be floated in for refit and modernization anytime soon, there seems to be no justification for keeping these sea-worn veterans of the fleet around - they're due for retirement not modernization.

Refit will take at least 5-6 years. And maybe more because of corruption or lack of experience in aircraft carriers. So thats why they haven't implemented it yet. Ι think that in order Kuznetsov to recieve all 24 MiG-29Ks need refit from the other hand (Granit removal).

George1 wrote:Carrier-based fighters Su-33 after modernization will serve for 10 years

They will most probably modernize Su-33 to Su-27SM or SM3 standard. Most probably they will replace radar with N001VEP or Zhuk-MS radar and I hope they will also replace IRST with the one from Su-30 which also have TV and laser designator inside. Maybe they will also install more powerful AL-31FM1 engines and MAWS sensors.

GarryB wrote:The MiG-29Ks were a freebee... basically all the development was paid for by the sales to India and continued sales will keep production going for some time so it makes sense to buy them for the Russian Military.

Regarding upgrading the Su-33s they were very basic and any modification would greatly improve their capabilities making the still very useful carrier aircraft... I rather suspect Sukhoi is offering a very attractive upgrade package at a greatly subsidised price as it will keep them in the naval carrier aircraft game.

Personally I think having MiG-29k2s and Su-33SM3s is a good thing for the Russian Navy...

They don't need both of them - either one or the other, having them both is a waste of money.

It might make sense if those Su-33s were modernized for assignment to non-carrier duties.

Su-33 is a very potent platform. The upgrade could, should, include the ability to carry Kalibr and Yakhont/BrahMos missiles. Also RVV-SD and RVV-MD AAM. I hope the Su-33SM will get Bars radar with AESA array. The MiG-29KR is not that suitable for heavy ASM's.

A Su-33SM - MiG-29KR/KUBR Combo is the best thing that could happen to the RuNavy at this moment.

IMHO a further, more stealth, developed S-37 Berkut naval version, would be even better than a naval PAK FA. I know money, money, money, but new threat situations for Russia...

T-50 for RuAF, S-37 for RuNA!

GJ Flanker wrote:The MiG-29KR is not that suitable for heavy ASM's.

Which heavy ASMs would it need to be suited for?

AFAIK it's already compatible with the Kalibr (but perhaps not the longer, supersonic variants), and while the Onyx is too heavy - the Brahmos-M is being developed for the Indian Navy's MiG-29Ks; the idea is that up to 2 of them could be fitted per plane. Nothing to stop Russia from buying the Brahmos-M when its ready.

A Su-33SM - MiG-29KR/KUBR Combo is the best thing that could happen to the RuNavy at this moment.

You'll be able to fit in more MiG-29Ks into the hold/deck space that the Su-33s currently occupy - even w/o the big Kuznetsov overhaul.
You'll also be able to replace all the Su-25UTGs onboard with MiG-29KUBs - that will be able to fulfil not only training roles during peacetime duties; but combat ones too.

First:
The MiG-29KR will surely have some issues taking off from the Kuznetsov with 2 heavy ASM! Suitable for the MiG-29KR are AS-17 and AS-20!

Second:
The Su-33SM will have "longer legs" than the MiG-29KR. Simply more range and I think the better air superiority fighter with its canards. In the end no issues with heavy Yakhont and Kalibr!

GJ Flanker wrote:First:
The MiG-29KR will surely have some issues taking off from the Kuznetsov with 2 heavy ASM! Suitable for the MiG-29KR are AS-17 and AS-20!

The Brahmos-M is not a heavy ASM - it is in fact the mini-version of the Brahmos, currently under development alongside the Brahmos-2.

The Indian MiG-29Ks are designed to fly from the Vikramaditya, presumably with a full ordanance load.
Don't see why the Indo-Russian joint-venture would bother to develop the Brahmos-M, with a specification that 2 can be carried by MiG-29Ks - if there is no way to actually achieve that in practise.
If Indian MiG-29Ks can take-off with two Brahmos-Ms from the Vikramaditya, then there is no reason why Russian MiG-29Ks won't be able to take off with 2 Brahmos-Ms or any other specified load from the Kuznetsov.

On the other hand there has been much speculation about how Su-33s can't take off with their max. ordanance capacity or anything near it from the Kuznetsov. I don't know the validity of this, but it does sound plausible.

Second:
The Su-33SM will have "longer legs" than the MiG-29KR. Simply more range and I think the better air superiority fighter with its canards. In the end no issues with heavy Yakhont and Kalibr!

The Su-33 does have significantly greater range. The MiG-29K also has fewer hardpoints, is not compatible with the Yakhont and possibly the supersonic Kalibr-variants and yes - it doesn't have canards and thus has a disadvantage in turn-radius and manuevers.

But in every other characteristic you can think of; flight, electronic or otherwise - the current production model of the MiG-29K is equal or superior in every way to the current Su-33s in service.

Certainly the Su-33s would be able to match a lot of those characteristics with a modernization program. But even then, you'll still be left with significantly older aircraft as opposed to newly-built ones, that you won't be able to fit as many of onto the same ship. What's the point?

It looks like they like the long rang of the Su-33, that's why they hang on to them. Possibly the upgraded ones will act as a sort of stop gap until the T-50K? (also long range)

If the Su-33s have enough hours on them, given the cost of new aircraft (they have decided long ago restarting production of Su-33 is not feasible) an upgrade is comparatively very cost effective to significantly increase their potential for the remaining time they will be in service. They will probably upgrade about 12 or so imo if they'll go ahead.

At the end, you've to admit, a super-dooper modernized Su-33 will have the edge over a MiG-29KR in every way.
The only advantage, of the MiG-29KR, over the current Sea Flanker was, that it is a multirole fighter and nothing more!

The only advantage, of the MiG-29KR, over the current Sea Flanker was, that it is a multirole fighter and nothing more!