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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:15 pm

    medo wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Concrat for new Su-30SM and YAK-130 for the Russian Navy was signed at the end of 2013.

    MO at the end of 2013, signed a contract for the supply of aircraft for the Navy

    The question whether it was true that in December 2013 a contract was signed for the supply of Russian naval aviation first batches of Su-30cm and trainer aircraft Yak-130 Borisov said: "The truth."

    Who dares to speculate about numbers? Very Happy 

    Excellent news. Russian navy will need at least 80 Su-30SM, 6 for training and 1 squadron (12 planes) for every European fleet, 2 squadrons for Pacific fleet (1 for Vladivostok, 1 for Kamchatka). I hope air force will also buy additional Su-30SM to those 60 they have already ordered.

    these aircrafts will be part of naval aviation ?
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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Concrat for new Su-30SM and YAK-130 for the Russian Navy was signed at the end of 2013.

    MO at the end of 2013, signed a contract for the supply of aircraft for the Navy

    The question whether it was true that in December 2013 a contract was signed for the supply of Russian naval aviation first batches of Su-30cm and trainer aircraft Yak-130 Borisov said: "The truth."

    Who dares to speculate about numbers? Very Happy 

    Excellent news. Russian navy will need at least 80 Su-30SM, 6 for training and 1 squadron (12 planes) for every European fleet, 2 squadrons for Pacific fleet (1 for Vladivostok, 1 for Kamchatka). I hope air force will also buy additional Su-30SM to those 60 they have already ordered.

    these aircrafts will be part of naval aviation ?

    Yes, they will replace old Su-24 in naval aviation. They should not be mixed with those for air force.
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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:30 pm

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46050/

    Russian Pacific fleet receive 6 Forpost (Searcher 2) UAVs in Kamchatka air base.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:31 pm

    Interesting article on bmpd wich is in line with medo thoughts

    Purchase of Su-30cm and Yak-130 aircraft for the Russian Navy Marine and problems with the Su-35S

    According to bmpd blog Russian MoD contracted 5 Su-30SM and 5 YAK-130 for Russian Navy by the end of 2013. But this is the sentence that caught my eye.

    According bmpd, was contracted five Su-30cm and five Yak-130, and further possible purchase for Marine aviation several dozen Su-30cm and a certain amount of the Yak-130

    and this is the part in line what medo was saying. Several dozen indicate at least 60 Su-30SM and possibly even more Su-30SM on order for RuAN and nice amount of YAK-130. All in all we

    might be seeing another 100+ fighter on order.  cheers 
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:05 pm

    Well I am not sure about 60, the translation is "several tens of planes", could be ~30, which was the number floated earlier. They are buying MiG-29Ks so the budget needs to be balanced between the two.
    How many Su-24s does Naval Aviation even operate? It is a couple dozen IIRC.
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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:19 pm

    Viktor wrote:Interesting article on bmpd wich is in line with medo thoughts

    Purchase of Su-30cm and Yak-130 aircraft for the Russian Navy Marine and problems with the Su-35S

    According to bmpd blog Russian MoD contracted 5 Su-30SM and 5 YAK-130 for Russian Navy by the end of 2013. But this is the sentence that caught my eye.

    According bmpd, was contracted five Su-30cm and five Yak-130, and further possible purchase for Marine aviation several dozen Su-30cm and a certain amount of the Yak-130

    and this is the part in line what medo was saying. Several dozen indicate at least 60 Su-30SM and possibly even more Su-30SM on order for RuAN and nice amount of YAK-130. All in all we

    might be seeing another 100+ fighter on order.  cheers 

    Maybe those 5 Su-30SM are ordered for this year additionally to 14 Su-30SM, which they need to complete a regiment in Far East. Maybe in next years Irkut will increase production to whole regiment per year, where 1 squadron will go to air force and 1 squadron to navy.
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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:21 pm

    TR1 wrote:Well I am not sure about 60, the translation is "several tens of planes", could be ~30, which was the number floated earlier. They are buying MiG-29Ks so the budget needs to be balanced between the two.
    How many Su-24s does Naval Aviation even operate? It is a couple dozen IIRC.

    60 ordered Su-30SM are for air force. All planes for navy will be new order.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:36 am

    TR1 wrote:Well I am not sure about 60, the translation is "several tens of planes", could be ~30, which was the number floated earlier. They are buying MiG-29Ks so the budget needs to be balanced between the two.
    How many Su-24s does Naval Aviation even operate? It is a couple dozen IIRC.

    Few: 1-4
    Several: 5-7
    Dozen: 12

    So several dozen = 60 planes at minimum (5x12)  Very Happy
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:38 am

    But the exact wording was "tens" in Russian, not dozens. "Neskolko" means several- that could be anywhere from 20-40-60 planes.
    They are replacing the Su-24s, of which there are only like 2 dozen in service. What would the Naval Aviation be replacing with 60 SMs, let alone more?
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:42 am

    http://lenta.ru/news/2014/01/17/su30sm/

    Well it looks like the number is in between our guesses:

    MOD wants to sign contracts for around 50 Su-30SM and 10 Yak-130 for the VMF.

    Curious why VMF won't just use the VVS Yaks....and where will these be based.

    A lot of work for Irkut, even with plans to phase out Flanker production by end of decade.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:51 am

    http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/21448481/sushki-dlya-flota

    More details.

    Total cost of the deals is estimated to be around 2 billion dollars.

    Seems like a pretty good deal cost wise. Huge deal for Irkut.

    First planes will be delivered by the end of 2015, if everything goes to plan.
    The SMs will be based in Crimea (guess they worked things out with the Ukrainians? Why do I have a feeling that will be a problem in 5 years time), Kamchatka, and Kaliningrad.
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    Post  GJ Flanker on Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:08 pm

    2 bil. US-$, maybe it will be split like this:

    10 Yak-130 x 20 mil./Yak-130 = 200 mil. US-$
    50 Su-30SM x 36 mil./Su-30SM = 1.800 mil. US-$
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    Post  medo on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:03 pm

    50 Su-30SM are only 4 squadrons (4x12), they need at least 2 more squadrons, 1 for Vladivostok and 1 for Murmansk. I hope air force will also buy additional 60 Su-30SM. With increasing production Irkut could build around 200 fighters till 2020.
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    Post  GJ Flanker on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:08 pm

    I heard somewhere that there is an option for additional 30 Su-30SM for the RuAF (VVS).
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    Post  calripson on Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:59 am

    The most likely point of actual conflict between NATO and Russia would in fact be a naval conflict - in the Black Sea for instance over another Georgia conflict. Given that, I would think dedicated naval aviation for Russia would be a good idea specifically naval strike assets (not sure how Su 30SM stacks up against Su 34). I would agree that at a minimum Russia would need the Baltic covered from Kaliningrad, Murmansk, the Black Sea, Caspian, Kamchatka, and Vladivostok. That is at a minimum 72 aircraft. Large numbers of land based anti-ship missiles would be needed to complement those assets as well as S 400 coverage for those locations.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:31 am

    Can probably skip the air coverage of the Caspain, Russia is already armed to the teeth there as it is.
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    Post  medo on Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:00 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Can probably skip the air coverage of the Caspain, Russia is already armed to the teeth there as it is.

    Why? 1 squadron in Black Sea and 1 squadron on Caspian could better cover Caucasus, not to mention, that Caspian sea is important oil field and there are pipelines. Caspian squadron could well cover northern Iran, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan Caspian shore. It is practically more important than Black Sea.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:37 pm

    MOSCOW, December 25 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian navy has pushed back the intended in-service date for a new deck-landing training installation by almost a year for undisclosed reasons, a building contractor involved in the project said Wednesday.
    The facility, known by its Russian acronym NITKA and being built in the Black Sea town of Yeisk, was originally due to enter service this month, the Defense Ministry said as recently as October.
    “The work schedule for NITKA has been delayed to November 2014,” said a management source from a contractor company involved in the project. The source did not say why the project had been delayed, but said it was at the Defense Ministry’s initiative and “was not connected to the state of the project. From our side, it was all ready to hand over in December this year.”
    Russian navy pilots previously used a similar facility nearby in Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula under a 1997 bilateral agreement, but Moscow told Kiev in September that it would stop using that base.
    The Russian Defense Ministry had previously said it was willing to upgrade the Ukrainian facility.
    A Russian navy Sukhoi Su-25UTG trainer made the first flight from the new Yeisk facility in July to test its ski-jump configuration runway, which simulates the flight deck of Russia’s only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov.
    The navy currently operates Sukhoi Su-33 fighters from the carrier but is in the process of receiving the new Mikoyan MiG-29K, capable of air defense and strike missions.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:18 am

    The optimist that I am thinks the delay of a year might be to install new catapult systems for training to use new carriers and the upgraded K...

    Or it could be that all the radar and communication equipment needs to be upgraded... but I would think they should have already anticipated this and put new radar and sensor equipment in in the first place.

    It really only makes sense to me if they have just decided to go for a cat in the K upgrade which makes it worth while to delay the opening of the new facility while they add it there.

    The added advantage is that it will be installed in a year, but will allow practise and training with the system for quite some time before the upgraded K is back in service so hopefully they will iron out all the kinks is problems with the system.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:01 am

    GarryB wrote:The optimist that I am thinks the delay of a year might be to install new catapult systems for training to use new carriers and the upgraded K...

    Or it could be that all the radar and communication equipment needs to be upgraded... but I would think they should have already anticipated this and put new radar and sensor equipment in in the first place.

    It really only makes sense to me if they have just decided to go for a cat in the K upgrade which makes it worth while to delay the opening of the new facility while they add it there.

    The added advantage is that it will be installed in a year, but will allow practise and training with the system for quite some time before the upgraded K is back in service so hopefully they will iron out all the kinks is problems with the system.

    That would be awesome!
    Can the mig-29k be launched with cats?
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:17 pm

    http://www.gusda.ru/upload/iblock/e02/DSC_0021.JPG

    Eisk, last year.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:37 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry to restore Baltic amphibious plane base

    Baltic Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Viktor Chirkov had for the first time announced the plans for the aerodrome restoration on February 22, 2012

    MOSCOW, July 09. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry made a decision to restore the base of amphibious planes on the Baltic Sea - Kosa marine aerodrome of the Baltic Fleet. The press service of the Federal Special Construction Agency (Spetsstroi) told ITAR-TASS that “the main department of Russia’s Spetsstroi for the Southern Federal District conducts the preparation for the fulfilment of this major task". The aerodrome’s water area and airstrip, places of aircraft parking and hangars for boats and equipment will be rebuilt.

    The fleet has a demand for float planes. They can be used for the transportation of soldiers, in sea search and rescue operations and patrolling. Baltic Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Viktor Chirkov had for the first time announced the plans for the aerodrome restoration on February 22, 2012. He told the press that the Be-200 amphibious planes that are to be delivered to the antisubmarine aviation will be based on the Vistula Spit, where a marine aerodrome will be built for these purposes. The sea harbor there, the commander said, had already been examined by fleet experts and engineers, and the site for the airstrip construction had been determined.

    During the Soviet and post-Soviet period, Kosa was successfully used as a base for amphibious planes. Later, when antisubmarine aviation was withdrawn from the aerodrome, the whole complex of buildings, amenities, as well as hydro facilities, was ruined. Spetsstroi has promised in a short period of time to restore “the former pride of naval aviation".
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:36 am

    First Modernized Il-38N ASW Plane to Be Delivered to Russian Navy on July 15

    MOSCOW, July 14 (RIA Novosti) — The first modernized Il-38N anti-submarine warfare plane will be delivered to the Russian Navy on July 15, an Ilyushin Aviation Complex spokesperson told RIA Novosti.

    «The company completed repair and modernization work on the first mass-produced Il-38N anti-submarine warfare plane for the Russian Navy. The work was completed under a contract that provides for the modernization of five combat aircraft," according to a spokesperson for the Ilyushin Aviation Complex, a subsidiary of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation.

    The modernization included the installment of the new Novella-P-38 search and tracking system, which significantly expands the plane’s capacity.

    At the request of Maritime Air Command, the first mass-produced modernized plane was named after designer Rady Papkovsky, who played an important role in creating the Il-38N.
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    Post  mack8 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:50 pm

    Nice article on the future of VMF aviation:
    http://russiancouncil.ru/inner/?id_4=4087#top
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    Post  medo on Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:29 pm

    Anyone know, if Yak-130 for Navy will be equipped with arrester hook, or they will continue to use Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings.

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