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    Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:16 pm

    Nuclear submarines in the Russian Navy. from the oldest to the youngest.

    1980s

    1. BS-136 "Orenburg" (Project 09786), active from November 30, 1981; 40 years, 11 months, 26 days

    2. TK-208 "Dmitry Donskoy" (Project 941UM), active from December 29, 1981 ; 40 years, 10 months, 27 days

    3. K-44 "Ryazan" (project 667 BDR), active from September 17, 1982; 40 years, 2 months, 8 days

    4. K-51 "Verkhoturye" (667 BDRM), active from 28.12.1984; 37 years, 10 months, 28 days

    5. BS-64 "Podmoskovye" (Project 09787), active from 23.12.1986; 35 years, 11 months, 2 days

    6. K-114 "Tula" (Project 667BDRM); active from 30.10.1987; 35 years, 26 days

    7. K-117 "Bryansk" (project 667 BDRM); active from 30.09.1988; 34 years, 1 month, 26 days

    8. K-132 "Irkutsk" (Project 949AM), active from 30.12.1988; 33 years, 10 months, 26 days

    9. K-18 "Karelia" (Project 667BDRM); active from 10.10.1989; 33 years, 1 month, 15 days

    1990s

    10. K-407 "Novomoskovsk" (Project 667 BDRM), active from 27.11.1990; 32 years, 4 days

    11. K-410 "Smolensk" (Project 949A), active from 22.12.1990; 31 years, 10 months, 3 days

    12. K-331 "ex-Magadan" (Project 971), active from 23.12.1990; 31 years, 11 months, 2 days

    13. B-534 "Nizhny Novgorod" (Project 945A), active from 26.12.1990; 31 years, 10 months, 30 days

    14. K-317 "Pantera" (Project 971), active from 27.12.1990, 31 years, 10 months, 29 days

    15. K-442 "Chelyabinsk" (Project 949AM), active from 29.12.1990, 31 years, 10 months, 27 days

    17. B-138 "Obninsk" (Project 671 RTMK), active from 30.12.1990, 31 years, 10 months, 26 days

    16. K-461 "Volk" (971M), active from 29.12.1991; 30 years, 10 months, 27 days

    18. K-456 "Tver" (949A), active from 18.08.1992; 30 years, 3 months, 7 days

    19. B-448 "Tambov" (Project 671 RTMK), active from 24.09.1992; 30 years, 2 months, 1 day

    20. K-328 "Leopard" (971M), active from 30.12.1992; 29 years, 10 months, 26 days

    21. K-266 "Orel" (949A), active from 30.12.1992; 29 years, 10 months, 26 days

    22. K-419 "Kuzbass" (971U), active from 31.12.1992; 29 years, 10 months, 25 days

    23. K-186 "Omsk" (949A), active from 15.12.1993; 28 years, 11 months, 10 days

    24. B-336 "Pskov" (945A), active from 17.12.1993; 28 years, 11 months, 12 days

    25. K-154 "Tigr" (971; under repair and modernization), active from 29.12.1993; 28 years, 10 months, 27 days

    26. K-295 "Samara" (971M), active from 17.07.1995; 27 years, 4 months, 8 days

    27. K-157 "Vepr" (971U); active from  25.11.1995; 27 years (BIRTHDAY)

    28. K-150 "Tomsk" (949A); active from 25 years, 10 months, 26 days

    2000s

    29. K-335 "Gepard" (971U), active from 05.12.2001; 20 years, 11 months, 20 days

    2010S

    30. K-535 "Yuri Dolgorukiy" (955), active from 29.12.2012; 9 years, 10 months, 27 days

    31. K-550 "Alexander Nevsky" (955), active from 23.12.2013; 8 years, 11 months, 2 days

    32. K-560 "Severodvinsk" (885), active from 30.12.2013; 8 years, 10 months, 26 days

    33. K-551 "Vladimir Monomakh" (955), active from 19.12.2014; 7 years, 11 months, 6 days

    2020s

    34. K-552 "Knyaz Vladimir" (955A), active from 12.06.2020; 2 years, 5 months, 13 days

    35, K-561 "Kazan" (885M), active 05.05.2021; 1 year, 6 months, 20 days

    36. K-552 "Knyaz Oleg" (955A), active from 21.12.2021; 11 months, 4 days

    37. K-573 "Novosibirsk" (885M); active from 21.12.2021; 11 months, 4 days

    38. K-329 "Belgorod" (09852), active from 08.07.2022;  4 months, 17 days

    39. K-553 "Generalissimus Suvorov" (955A), will enter active service soon..

    40. K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" (885M), will enter active service soon..

    I did not include two more titanium submarines of project 945 "Barracuda" in the list because their status is unknown and K-152 "Nerpa" (971I).

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:30 pm

    GarryB The Russians used the so-called Rim Drive as a maneuver or emergency drive in the new 955A. The electric motor is at the same time a screw or a propeller. Borey-A has four such engines / thrusters.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 am

    Thus, with the submarines K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" and K-553 "Generalissimus Suvorov", the number of delivered submarines is 7 since the beginning of 2020.
    Even in the "worst" scenario, Sevmash will deliver 10 more submarines that are currently under construction by the end of this decade, which will raise the number from the mentioned 7 to 17 delivered submarines in the 2020s compared to 4 delivered in the 2010s.
    If by any chance the construction of one or two more submarines starts in December this year, then this number will be 18 to 19 delivered submarines in the 2020s.


    Active and soon to be active..
    From 2020 to 2022; 7 submarines;
    1. K-549 Knyaz Vladimir (955A); in active service from 12 June 2020, NF
    2. K-546 Kazan (885M) ; in active service from 5 May 2021, NF
    3. K-552 Knyaz Oleg (955A); in active service from 21 December 2021, PF
    4. K-573 Novosibirsk (885M); in active service from 21 December 2021, PF
    5. K-329 Belgorod (09852); in active service from 8 July 2022. PF
    6. K-553 Generalissimus Suvorov (955A); Announced to be active until the end of December 2022. PF
    7. K-571 Krasnoyarsk (885M); Announced to be active until the end of December 2022. PF

    Under construction and I believe these submarines will soon be launched ; B-XXX "Khabarovsk", K-564 "Arkhangelsk" and K-XXX "Emperor Alexander III". I am of the opinion that the first 6 submarines from this table will be launched by the end of 2024

    8. B-XXX "Khabarovsk", project 09851 SPNS (special purpose nuclear submarine), in construction since 27.07.2014,
    9. K-564 "Arkhangelsk", project 885M "Yasen-M", in construction since 18.03.2015,
    10. K-XXX "Imperator Aleksandr III", project 955A "Borei-A", in construction since 18.12.2015,
    11. K-XXX "Perm", project 885M "Yasen-M",in construction since 29.07.2016,
    12. K-XXX "Knyaz Pozharskiy", project 955A "Borei-A", in construction since 23.12.2016,
    13. K-XXX "Ulyanovsk", project 885M "Yasen-M", in construction since 27.07.2017,
    14. K-XXX "Voronezh", project 885M "Yasen-M", in construction since 20.07.2020,
    15. K-XXX "Vladivostok", project 885M "Yasen-M", in construction since 20.07.2020,
    16. K-XXX "Knayz Potemkin", project 955A "Borei-A",in construction since 23.08.2021,
    17. K-XXX "Dmitry Donskoy", project 955A "Borei-A", in construction since 23.08.2021.

    What is already known is the signing of the contract for two more 955A submarines and the plan to build two more 885M submarines. So it is my opinion that in the next few years many keels will be laid for new submarines and the deliveries of those future submarines will go at a rapid rate at the beginning of the 2030s like the 7 submarines delivered in 2020 to 2022.
    The Borei-A submarines are larger than the Yasen-M and any future successor of Yasen-M submarines, so with the 955A submarines coming out of the slipway, more space is left for 09851/09853, 885M, as well as some future projects.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:22 am

    I know, and some submarines also use separate small screws that run on emergency power to provide low speed thrust when on patrol in a low noise mode or to get home under power if there is serious damage or main power is lost some how.

    But I am talking about their next surface fleet projects after Corvettes and Frigates are in serial production and they look to make Destroyer and Cruiser sized ships... likely they will be electric drive vessels with nuclear power production systems, which makes more exotic and flexible propulsion systems a likely choice moving forward.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:57 am

    @Podlodka77
    13. K-XXX "Ulyanovsk", project 885M "Yasen-M", in construction since 27.07.2017,

    Ulyanovsk is no longer an 885M, it was changed to pr.09853


    What is already known is the signing of the contract for two more 955A submarines and the plan to build two more 885M submarines. So it is my opinion that in the next few years many keels will be laid for new submarines and the deliveries of those future submarines will go at a rapid rate at the beginning of the 2030s like the 7 submarines delivered in 2020 to 2022
    The Borei-A submarines are larger than the Yasen-M and any future successor of Yasen-M submarines, so with the 955A submarines coming out of the slipway, more space is left for 09851/09853, 885M, as well as some future projects.
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    The construction time of the submarines will not change much, it is to be assumed that the 12 Boreys will be there by 2030 and then another type of SSN submarine will begin to replace the Akula´s and Sierra´s

    By 2030 there should also be 10 Yasen, although I am inclined to think that there should be a total of 12, that's not counting the Ulyanovsk and the Khabarovsk, which I don't really know what type of submarine hull it is based on.

    In reality, I think that the first Yasen 855, the Severodvinsk (about 10 meters longer than 885M), should be transformed into another 09853 Poseidon and order an additional Yasen 885M

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:39 am

    You're late AMCXXL, I already had a discussion about this a few months ago..

    I also stated earlier that the submarine "Ulyanovsk" is submarine 09853 of the project, because it was announced on TASS that the submarine with that name will be delivered by 2025 as 09853 project.
    After that, many wrote on the forum that this is not true and that "Ulyanovsk" is an 885M submarine. And Navykorabel states that this submarine belongs to the 09853 project for months. But it is not impossible that the journalists misunderstood everything and that the submarine might be "Ulan-Ude"...

    If already "Ulyanovsk" is not a submarine of the 885M project but 09853, then from your writing about "10 Yasen" submarines until 2030 there will be nothing.
    Currently we have one 885 submarine and seven 885M (if Ulyanovsk is not already 885M). Thats 8 !
    Given that K -564 "Arkhangelsk" is under construction since March 2015 and not yet launched, it is not impossible that the money was diverted to other weapons systems because of the SMO.

    So my assumption for another 10 submarines by the end of the 2020s remains, although it seems to me that it is a mistake to delay the larger production of SSN/SSGN submarines..
    Almost all submarines of projects 971, 949A are approaching the end of their operational life, and I think it is complete idiocy to modernize the submarines "Irkutsk", "Chelyabinsk", which are already over 30 years old from the moment they were launched.
    My opinion is that the number of nuclear submarines will continue to decrease to a certain level, only to later return to at least 12 SSBNs, no less than 24 SSN/SSGNs, as well as several SPNS project 09851/09852/09853 submarines.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:08 am

    I think Ulyanovsk is the 885M project. As for the 09853 project, the keel laying of this submarine took place without ceremony and it has a different name. The 09853 project itself is unofficially based on the 955A project. Like the 09851, it is based on the 955. These are scaled down versions of the SSBN. The project 09851/09853 itself is highly classified due to the Poseidon project, which will be a completely new system of strategic deterrence of Russia.

    y opinion is that the number of nuclear submarines will continue to decrease to a certain level, only to later return to at least 12 SSBNs, no less than 24 SSN/SSGNs, as well as several SPNS project 09851/09852/09853 submarines. wrote:

    It should be remembered that the current SSN / SSNG 885M have much greater firepower than the ships of the previous generation. The Yasen M in the role of SSGN is more powerful than the 949A with the older 24 P-700 Granit. Now the Yasen M is much quieter, better automated and can carry up to 32 Cirkon and other missiles. Very Happy
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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:22 am

    @Podlodka77

    If submarines continue to be placed in the shipyard once those that have already been built are delivered, the two additional planned Yasen's should be delivered in 2030 without problems
    I see no problems with Yasen's being delivered in 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030 , which would give a total of 10 SSGN 885/885M in addition to Ulyanovsk 09853
    In the last revision of Navy Korabel it also indicates so

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    Nor do I see any problems with another two 885M being ordered (in 2023 or 2025) to deliver in 2031 and 2032, thus totaling 12 Yasen´s

    Also a second 09853 should be contracted, for a total of 4 Poseidon complex
    However, I would transform the Severodvinsk 885 into 09853 and hire another 885M instead, in order to have a homogeneous fleet of 12
    885M

    Another option is to transform the Severodvinsk into a substitute for the Delta IV BS-64.

    The nuclar submarine force shuld have at least 12 Boreis 12 Yasen and 12-16 new SSN´s. apart from at least 4 Poseidon-carrying submarines

    The modernization of several 971M and 949AM ships in this decade of 2020's, is necessary to extend the life of these submarines until 2035-2040 and fill the gap waiting for the new SSN's that will not begin to arrive until early of the 2030's
    In another case, in 2030 there would only be 12 Boreis and 10 Yasen and no other nuclear submarines available.

    By the way, do you know what kind of submarine hull the pr.09851 Khabarovsk is?
    According to the Russian Wikipedia it is 113 meters long (similar to an Akula) but it does not seem very credible to me, since the keel of the ship was laid in 2014, it seems to me that it should be more of a Yasen hull


    @Arrow
    I think Ulyanovsk is the 885M project. As for the 09853 project, the keel laying of this submarine took place without ceremony and it has a different name. The 09853 project itself is unofficially based on the 955A project. Like the 09851, it is based on the 955. These are scaled down versions of the SSBN. The project 09851/09853 itself is highly classified due to the Poseidon project, which will be a completely new system of strategic deterrence of Russia.

    I don't see a need to base a 09851/09853 on a 955/955A since you don't need the rear hump at all for SBLMs

    If you look at the names of the submarines:
    949A names of SIberian cities such as Irkutsk and Chelyabinsk in the Pacific Fleet and European Russian cities such as Smolensk and Orel in the Northern Fleet (there is an exception with Tver former ex-Vilyuchinsk)
    09852 based on 949A: European Russian city of Belgorod (Northern fleet)
    09851 Russian Siberian city of Khabarovsk for the Pacific Fleet
    09853 European Russian city Ulyanovsk for the Northern Fleet

    The 955/955A submarines have names of Princes and Generals, so I am inclined to think that the 09851/09853 are based on 885M
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:58 am

    To AMCXXL

    As for the lists published by Navykorabel.ru, they are sometimes correct, but the forecasts with the project such as the laying of the keels for the 545A (there are no announcements about the construction of a new project yet) do not go well, as in some cases the deadlines for the laying of the keels and introduction into active service are postponed.

    I am of the opinion that these 10 submarines under construction at Sevmash will be delivered by the end of this decade. It is not a problem in Sevmash, but the problem could be if the Russian MOD diverted money to other projects because of SMO. Sevmash has the capacity to build and deliver at least 17 submarines during this decade, and if the same number is built in the next decade - the submarine fleet has been renewed.
    Another 4 submarines were built in the last decade, of course.


    Obviously we have the same opinion on the number of SSN/SSGN submarines, that is at least 24 submarines or 4 divisions with 6 submarines each..although all modern submarines are in fact SSGN,

    As for "Khabarovsk", there are only guesses and assumptions that the hull of the submarine is modeled after the Borei-A, although these are all just guesses.
    "The design is presumably a classic two-hull design using the solutions worked out on Borey-A project boats - the design of the retractable devices fencing, controls in the tail section of the boat, and hull structural elements."

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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:30 am

    @Podlodka77

    Obviously we have the same opinion on the number of SSN/SSGN submarines, that is at least 24 submarines or 4 divisions with 6 submarines each..although all modern submarines are in fact SSGN,

    Well the number of submarines is one thing and the distribution is another. The Northern Fleet has always been more numerous since it needs to cover both the Arctic Ocean and the North Atlantic.
    At the moment, only 5 Boreys and 5 Yasen are planned for the Pacific fleet according to the statements of the head of that fleet.

    Taking into account that both the Delta IV and the Typhoon were initially projected in divisions of 7, I would not be surprised if there were 7 Boreys and 7 Yasen in the Northern Fleet and 5 Boreys and 5 Yasen in the Pacific Fleet.

    In addition, there should also be more SSN in the North, about 10-12, compared to 6 in the Pacific


    As for "Khabarovsk", there are only guesses and assumptions that the hull of the submarine is modeled after the Borei-A, although these are all just guesses.
    "The design is presumably a classic two-hull design using the solutions worked out on Borey-A project boats - the design of the retractable devices fencing, controls in the tail section of the boat, and hull structural elements."

    I don't see the need to copy the design of the Borey which has a long back to carry the SBLM, unlike the BS-64 which has to carry satellite submarines and that's why it was made from a Delta IV
    Another thing is that some section of a Borei has been used, sections of Akulas Kuguar and Rys were also used for the 955 Nevsky and Dolgoruky

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    Post  lancelot Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:48 am

    If I was the Russian state I would curtail spending on the Poseidon missile carriers. After these two are built I would just freeze Poseidon and focus on increasing the number of attack submarines.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:35 pm

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    The number of SSN/SSGN submarines will further decrease in the future, only to increase again later.
    The most ideal variant is with 10 submarines that would replace the 971/945A in the NF (there are currently 10 of them), as well as 6 such submarines in the PF. Only 4 SSN submarines are in PF, including K-44 Ryazan.
    The number of Yasen-M submarines can be 9, if we include the two planned submarines and exclude the K-560 Severodvinsk.
    Don't forget that out of 10 currently active SSGN submarines 949A and 885/885M, even 6 are on the PF.
    And the next K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" goes to PF.

    There is no reason to panic because the number of operational submarines will still be increased by the modernization of a certain number of 971 and 949A submarines. What I believe will happen is that the two 945A submarines will also remain in service for a long time - titanium.
    We should not forget that the three Los Angeles submarines were in service for over 40 years, that is;
    1. SSN-698 "Bremerton", in service from 28.03.1981 to 21.05.2021 or 40 years, 1 month and 23 days
    2. SSN-699 "Jacksonville" was in service from 16.05.1981 to 16.11.2021 or 40 years and 6 months
    3. SSN-711 "San Francisco" was in service from 24.04.1981 to 05.05.2022 or 41 years and 21 days

    So if we also go for 40 to 41 years to be the limit, this again means that almost all 971 submarines can serve for another 10 years.
    Those that became operational in 1995 (Samara and Vepr) can serve without problems until 2035.
    Although I think that the upper limit with serious modernization may be 45 years which will apply to 949AM and 971M submarines.
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    Post  lancelot Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:18 pm

    I do wonder if they could not run the submarines for 60 years. If the limitation is the nuclear reactor lifetime, with thermal annealing, it might be possible to make them last longer. This technique is used in civilian nuclear reactors. You basically heat up the metal parts of the reactor and this smooths out any micro-cracks it might have.
    https://material-properties.org/what-is-thermal-annealing-definition/

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:25 pm

    Comparing 688 with 971 is like comparing a Skoda with Mercedes.
    688 was designed to be built fast & cheap (ha ha ha) in order to face the increasing numerical disparity with the Soviet submarine fleet.
    If that thing serves for 40 years, it would mean the 971 can stay in line for much longer - there is much bigger space for modernizatons&improvement, and the whole design is uncompromised.
    That is why all the Soviet legacy subs of that generation should be refurbished&modernized to match the existing standards.
    945 type subs were unmatched when it comes to the number of ordnance it carried. 945A was capable to carry almost 50 torpedos&missiles, a number that only Seawolf was capable of a decade later.
    The very same applies to the 971 - it carried 40 torpedos/missiles, while the 688 - 26.
    To catch the Soviet standard, Muricans had to put VLS on subs, as there was no other space for weapon storage.
    A funny thing is, that the whole story about supreme US made submarines are just the same propaganda crap as any other, and we can see it clearly now. With US/NATO standard artillery that can't match the Soviet standards of the usage intensity and just brakes.
    Soviet subs were faster, dived deeper, carried more ordnance, and - what is already hilarious - were manned by the crews being a factor of US ones.
    That is some sick joke, if we consider that Soviet 971 sub has 50 (FIFTY) men crew, while the equivalent 688 almost TRIPLE that to carry the very same set of missions&tasks. That is the real indicator of the technological level, automatization and advancement.
    And a bloody Seawolf is not different, with 130 or so people on board.
    The very same applies to 705 type, a Ferrari among the submarines. A whole crew would fit into US sub kitchen ...
    All the propaganda spin was made based on some bullshit nobody can prove in reality, like "lagging behind Soviet electronics" and "low quality of sonar" fairy tales. I have watched an interview with an ex-US submariner, who was yapping about substandard Soviet safety procedures, because ... he has visited a Soviet monument submarine and recognized that the seal locks are painted with the paint that makes them impossible to seal. Geee you genie, in a monument that was preserved for tourists? Really? Now I am impressed with your superb analytical skills!

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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:31 pm

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    The number of SSN/SSGN submarines will further decrease in the future, only to increase again later.
    The most ideal variant is with 10 submarines that would replace the 971/945A in the NF (there are currently 10 of them), as well as 6 such submarines in the PF. Only 4 SSN submarines are in PF, including K-44 Ryazan.
    The number of Yasen-M submarines can be 9, if we include the two planned submarines and exclude the K-560 Severodvinsk.
    Don't forget that out of 10 currently active SSGN submarines 949A and 885/885M, even 6 are on the PF.
    And the next K-571 "Krasnoyarsk" goes to PF.


    The number of submarines is already low enough, this minimum number was set at 12 SSBNs and 20 SSN/SSGNs by the Russian Navy General Staff two decades ago, which is why submarines such as the 2 Sierra II or the 2 Victor III, to reach the number and reduce the use of Akulas so that they can be more years in service

    By 2030 in the Pacific Fleet there will be 5 Yasen and 6 other modernized submarines (2 949AM, 4 971´s). Since there are not enough Akulas in the Pacific I suppose that is why they have thought about modernizing 2 949AM
    It is also not known what happened to the K-152 Nerpa after it was returned to India.

    During this decade some additional 971 submarines of the Northern Fleet will be modernized so that they can reach at least 2040 and fill the gap until new SSN´s


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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:08 pm

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    Greetings bro... Very Happy
    I agree with you about the 971 submarines being technologically ahead of the Los Angeles class, especially since the first submarine, the K-284 Akula, became operational a full 10 years after the SSN-688 Los Angeles submarine.
    Submarines 671RTMK are the first submarines with the name "Schchuka/Pike in english" (NATO; Victor III, which entered service in 1979), while project 971 also received the suffix B, that is, Schchuka-B.
    The last produced "Schchuka" entered service in 1992.
    However, it is not clear to me why some forget about the 945A (Sierra II) submarines, which you also mentioned, because those submarines entered service only in the early nineties. This means that they are newer than project 971 and the only real "flaw" of those submarines is actually just the cost of construction. It is my opinion that the B-534 Nizhny Novgorod and B-336 Pskov will remain in service for many more years.




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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:30 pm

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    However, it is not clear to me why some forget about the 945A (Sierra II) submarines, which you also mentioned, because those submarines entered service only in the early nineties. This means that they are newer than project 971 and the only real "flaw" of those submarines is actually just the cost of construction. It is my opinion that the B-534 Nizhny Novgorod and B-336 Pskov will remain in service for many more years.

    Actually the B-534 is the oldest SSN in service after decommissioning the Bratsk
    I don't know, it depends on how many miles these submarines have done in service compared to the Akulas, their modernization was not considered
    I think they will be decommisioned before the Akulas
    Actually, I think that the 945A, like the 671RTKM, are only maintained to get a sufficient number of submarines in service and use the Akula less so that they last longer.


    About K-152 Nerpa , deepstorm.ru says Russian goverment refused to extend the hire period of the submarine with the Indian government.
    That is why I believe that the Bratsk was decommissioned and the Pacific Fleet will have 4 Akulas when the repairs are completed:

    K-331 (ex-Magadan), Kuzbass, Samara and Nerpa

    https://www-deepstorm-ru.translate.goog/DeepStorm.files/45-92/nts/971/K-152/K-152.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:15 am

    Post Podlodka77 Yesterday at 6:08 pm
    Greetings bro... Very Happy
    I agree with you about the 971 submarines being technologically ahead of the Los Angeles class, especially since the first submarine, the K-284 Akula, became operational a full 10 years after the SSN-688 Los Angeles submarine.
    Submarines 671RTMK are the first submarines with the name "Schchuka/Pike in english" (NATO; Victor III, which entered service in 1979), while project 971 also received the suffix B, that is, Schchuka-B.
    The last produced "Schchuka" entered service in 1992.
    However, it is not clear to me why some forget about the 945A (Sierra II) submarines, which you also mentioned, because those submarines entered service only in the early nineties. This means that they are newer than project 971 and the only real "flaw" of those submarines is actually just the cost of construction. It is my opinion that the B-534 Nizhny Novgorod and B-336 Pskov will remain in service for many more years.


    Good morning bro welcome
    671RTM and RTMK are the Soviet equivalents to 688 in a full spectrum, including the concept of it's mass production.
    It carried the same number of full size ordnance, yet had a 30% smaller crew. Not to mention the construction features like double hull design or quiet electric propellers.
    Sure the 971 jumped above that.

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