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    US Εxceptionalism in War Crimes and human rights abuses

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    Post  Svyatoslavich Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:38 pm

    jhelb wrote:Good! And yet the Japanese remain American Asslickers.
    Yes, the Japanese elite. Go ask Okinawans what they think about US troops in their island.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:47 pm

    LOts of Americans share this opinion - I simply never thought the biggest newspaper in America  would go far enough to publish this BS.

    The Japanese reading this are not happy, that's for sure. Some survivors are still alive and lots of people have lost siblings, parents, grandparents etc. in the bombing.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:04 am

    Atomic bombs, like Dresden, Tokyo, Khâm Thiên, Bạch Mai,... all have the tactics of causing terror by killing as many civilian as possible.

    Something very similar to Al-Qaeda.
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    Post  jhelb Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:31 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Yes, the Japanese elite. Go ask Okinawans what they think about US troops in their island.

    I don't want to sound rude but Asians, Hispanics, Africans are really disliked in the US and yet these guys believe that the US likes them.

    higurashihougi wrote:Atomic bombs, like Dresden, Tokyo, Khâm Thiên, Bạch Mai,... all have the tactics of causing terror by killing as many civilian as possible.

    Something very similar to Al-Qaeda.

    IIRC, using Agent Orange in Vietnam caused far more damage than the atomic explosion in Japan.

    Moreover, unlike Japan, Vietnam did not go to war with the US.

    I hear the current generation of young Vietnamese have a good opinion of the US, but I am unable to understand why. Maybe they feel that the US will help them in case of a war with China.
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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:49 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote:Yes, the Japanese elite. Go ask Okinawans what they think about US troops in their island.

    I don't want to sound rude but Asians, Hispanics, Africans are really disliked in the US and yet these guys believe that the US likes them.

    higurashihougi wrote:Atomic bombs, like Dresden, Tokyo, Khâm Thiên, Bạch Mai,... all have the tactics of causing terror by killing as many civilian as possible.

    Something very similar to Al-Qaeda.

    IIRC, using Agent Orange in Vietnam caused far more damage than the atomic explosion in Japan.

    Moreover, unlike Japan, Vietnam did not go to war with the US.

    I hear the current generation of young Vietnamese have a good opinion of the US, but I am unable to understand why. Maybe they feel that the US will help them in case of a war with China.

    It's the same effect as in eastern Europe. American pop culture and consumer trash is greatly desired. It is material gratification
    and humans have it as a major brain function defect. You could see it at play when New World aboriginals were practically selling
    themselves over glass beads, mirrors and various other trinkets. Of course they paid a heavy price for this material lust. The
    youth of Vietnam will live the Maidan toilet life if they keep on dreaming of American shit.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:19 pm

    jhelb wrote:I hear the current generation of young Vietnamese have a good opinion of the US, but I am unable to understand why. Maybe they feel that the US will help them in case of a war with China.

    Indeed the 5th columnists are using China as a scapegoat, they are trying to create a myth about Captain America vs Evil China.

    Which is totally bullshit. We didn't see the glorious Captain America show up when Russia punished the Sockpuppetshivili.

    I don't know if I should dig a hole and bury my face in there.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:17 am

    Ironically sometimes it is the US military that has to bite its tongue... in Afghanistan there is a culture of child abuse... and grown men Afghan officials like police chiefs and military officers that abuse young boys as a cultural thing.

    Have read some terrible stories of US personel making complaint after complaint about what amounts to raping young boys repeatedly by government officials that falls on deaf ears because the US military command don't care.

    The world is not a nice place and the US military is not actually there to make it better except in terms of wallet lining for the 1%.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:49 am

    GarryB wrote:Have read some terrible stories of US personel making complaint after complaint about what amounts to raping young boys repeatedly by government officials that falls on deaf ears because the US military command don't care.
    Sorry Garry, why should US command care? It's Afghans' own business to sort out shit in their own counntry (in the US, sentences for paedophilia are often higher than for murder). If tgey can't do that, we can't either... and shouldn't try.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:42 pm

    Most if not all couuntries in EU signed such pact with US. Sadly but true.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:34 am

    Sorry Garry, why should US command care? It's Afghans' own business to sort out shit in their own counntry (in the US, sentences for paedophilia are often higher than for murder). If tgey can't do that, we can't either... and shouldn't try.

    Because the whole point of US foreign policy is assimilation... The US will think the world is OK when it looks at the world and sees itself.

    There is no prime directive in US foreign policy and the US openly imposes sanctions on those countries that do not conform to its will.

    Why should the US military command care about gay people in the Army?

    If there are rules about same sex sexual relations between military personnel there should also be rules about sexual relations between adults and children.

    You can claim it is not Americas business to impose its standards and rules on other countries but that is just exactly what they are doing... and have been doing for quite some time.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:41 am

    GarryB wrote:Because the whole point of US foreign policy is assimilation
    Assimilation of what? US soldiers stationed in KSA weren't even allowed to bring Bibles for their own use (not preaching)
    GarryB wrote:There is no prime directive in US foreign policy and the US openly imposes sanctions on those countries that do not conform to its will.
    Does paedophilia among the Afghan people threaten US national interests?
    GarryB wrote:If there are rules about same sex sexual relations between military personnel there should also be rules about sexual relations between adults and children.
    Between US MILITARY PERSONNEL. Do Afghan government officials count as "US military personnel"?
    GarryB wrote:You can claim it is not Americas business to impose its standards and rules on other countries but that is just exactly what they are doing...
    No, they aren't. They never forced KSA to abolish Sharia. They never forced Japan to abolish the monarchy What enforcement of standards are you talking about?.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:25 pm

    Assimilation of what? US soldiers stationed in KSA weren't even allowed to bring Bibles for their own use (not preaching)

    Assimilation of the world to all things American...

    And not being allowed to take bibles was probably for their own good... ie self preservation.

    Does paedophilia among the Afghan people threaten US national interests?

    If the US can't tolerate Russia not being gay friendly how can it stand training kiddie fiddlers?

    Between US MILITARY PERSONNEL. Do Afghan government officials count as "US military personnel"?

    So US personel could take their children for the locals to molest and that would be OK right?

    No, they aren't. They never forced KSA to abolish Sharia. They never forced Japan to abolish the monarchy What enforcement of standards are you talking about?.

    They got american democracy... ie no more than two terms of elected leaders etc etc.

    And this is what democracy is or isn't and we will bomb anyone who opposes us.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:44 pm

    In United States it's not the military that conducts investigations of pedophilia - it's up to police, prosecutors and civilian courts to gather the evidence, arrest the crtiminals and sentence them. So if US Army does not deal with this kind of things in their own country, why should they do that in a foreign country?

    Pedophilia in Afghanistan does not endanger US national/security interests and it's up to Afghan government to solve that problem.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:19 am

    The US military has its own rules and also its own police and structures to police itself.

    Or are you trying to say if a civilian shoots a US military person that it is nothing to do with the US military... it would be a local civilian matter?

    Of course the problem generally isn't local people shooting US personel... normally it is US military raping and murdering those pretty little Japanese girls.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:The US military has its own rules and also its own police and structures to police itself.
    Itself - well said.
    GarryB wrote:Or are you trying to say if a civilian shoots a US military person that it is nothing to do with the US military... it would be a local civilian matter?
    That civilian would be tried by a civilian court. If a soldier killed a civilian he would be under jurisdiction of either a military or a civilian court, depending on circumstances.

    But do Afghan officials classify as "US military personnel"? No, they are civilian employees of a foreign (Afghan, not American) government and they are under jurisdiction of Afghan courts, not American ones.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:11 pm

    Itself - well said.

    Look at the first post in this thread.

    US personnel... military and civilian rape children and are not punished...

    It does not police itself properly.

    When a US commander of a vessel arrived home after murdering over 200 Iranians on an airbus in Iranian air space and firing a missile from Iranian waters being the murder weapon the commander of that vessel got a commendation medal...
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    Post  par far Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:16 am

    This is nothing new but what is the point of killing innocent civilians?

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/510580-afghanistan-death-squads-cia/
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:42 am

    par far wrote:This is nothing new but what is the point of killing innocent civilians?

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/510580-afghanistan-death-squads-cia/

    It is always about control. Power is afraid of dissidents and rebels. Real ones, not the phony proxies used by power
    to propagate itself through regime change and invasion. Innocent civilian victims serve as a mafia-style message
    to other civilians to conform.

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