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    Post  Svyatoslavich Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:38 pm

    jhelb wrote:Good! And yet the Japanese remain American Asslickers.
    Yes, the Japanese elite. Go ask Okinawans what they think about US troops in their island.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:47 pm

    LOts of Americans share this opinion - I simply never thought the biggest newspaper in America  would go far enough to publish this BS.

    The Japanese reading this are not happy, that's for sure. Some survivors are still alive and lots of people have lost siblings, parents, grandparents etc. in the bombing.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:04 am

    Atomic bombs, like Dresden, Tokyo, Khâm Thiên, Bạch Mai,... all have the tactics of causing terror by killing as many civilian as possible.

    Something very similar to Al-Qaeda.

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    Post  jhelb Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:31 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Yes, the Japanese elite. Go ask Okinawans what they think about US troops in their island.

    I don't want to sound rude but Asians, Hispanics, Africans are really disliked in the US and yet these guys believe that the US likes them.

    higurashihougi wrote:Atomic bombs, like Dresden, Tokyo, Khâm Thiên, Bạch Mai,... all have the tactics of causing terror by killing as many civilian as possible.

    Something very similar to Al-Qaeda.

    IIRC, using Agent Orange in Vietnam caused far more damage than the atomic explosion in Japan.

    Moreover, unlike Japan, Vietnam did not go to war with the US.

    I hear the current generation of young Vietnamese have a good opinion of the US, but I am unable to understand why. Maybe they feel that the US will help them in case of a war with China.

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:49 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote:Yes, the Japanese elite. Go ask Okinawans what they think about US troops in their island.

    I don't want to sound rude but Asians, Hispanics, Africans are really disliked in the US and yet these guys believe that the US likes them.

    higurashihougi wrote:Atomic bombs, like Dresden, Tokyo, Khâm Thiên, Bạch Mai,... all have the tactics of causing terror by killing as many civilian as possible.

    Something very similar to Al-Qaeda.

    IIRC, using Agent Orange in Vietnam caused far more damage than the atomic explosion in Japan.

    Moreover, unlike Japan, Vietnam did not go to war with the US.

    I hear the current generation of young Vietnamese have a good opinion of the US, but I am unable to understand why. Maybe they feel that the US will help them in case of a war with China.

    It's the same effect as in eastern Europe. American pop culture and consumer trash is greatly desired. It is material gratification
    and humans have it as a major brain function defect. You could see it at play when New World aboriginals were practically selling
    themselves over glass beads, mirrors and various other trinkets. Of course they paid a heavy price for this material lust. The
    youth of Vietnam will live the Maidan toilet life if they keep on dreaming of American shit.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:19 pm

    jhelb wrote:I hear the current generation of young Vietnamese have a good opinion of the US, but I am unable to understand why. Maybe they feel that the US will help them in case of a war with China.

    Indeed the 5th columnists are using China as a scapegoat, they are trying to create a myth about Captain America vs Evil China.

    Which is totally bullshit. We didn't see the glorious Captain America show up when Russia punished the Sockpuppetshivili.

    I don't know if I should dig a hole and bury my face in there.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:17 am

    Ironically sometimes it is the US military that has to bite its tongue... in Afghanistan there is a culture of child abuse... and grown men Afghan officials like police chiefs and military officers that abuse young boys as a cultural thing.

    Have read some terrible stories of US personel making complaint after complaint about what amounts to raping young boys repeatedly by government officials that falls on deaf ears because the US military command don't care.

    The world is not a nice place and the US military is not actually there to make it better except in terms of wallet lining for the 1%.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:49 am

    GarryB wrote:Have read some terrible stories of US personel making complaint after complaint about what amounts to raping young boys repeatedly by government officials that falls on deaf ears because the US military command don't care.
    Sorry Garry, why should US command care? It's Afghans' own business to sort out shit in their own counntry (in the US, sentences for paedophilia are often higher than for murder). If tgey can't do that, we can't either... and shouldn't try.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:42 pm

    Most if not all couuntries in EU signed such pact with US. Sadly but true.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:34 am

    Sorry Garry, why should US command care? It's Afghans' own business to sort out shit in their own counntry (in the US, sentences for paedophilia are often higher than for murder). If tgey can't do that, we can't either... and shouldn't try.

    Because the whole point of US foreign policy is assimilation... The US will think the world is OK when it looks at the world and sees itself.

    There is no prime directive in US foreign policy and the US openly imposes sanctions on those countries that do not conform to its will.

    Why should the US military command care about gay people in the Army?

    If there are rules about same sex sexual relations between military personnel there should also be rules about sexual relations between adults and children.

    You can claim it is not Americas business to impose its standards and rules on other countries but that is just exactly what they are doing... and have been doing for quite some time.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:41 am

    GarryB wrote:Because the whole point of US foreign policy is assimilation
    Assimilation of what? US soldiers stationed in KSA weren't even allowed to bring Bibles for their own use (not preaching)
    GarryB wrote:There is no prime directive in US foreign policy and the US openly imposes sanctions on those countries that do not conform to its will.
    Does paedophilia among the Afghan people threaten US national interests?
    GarryB wrote:If there are rules about same sex sexual relations between military personnel there should also be rules about sexual relations between adults and children.
    Between US MILITARY PERSONNEL. Do Afghan government officials count as "US military personnel"?
    GarryB wrote:You can claim it is not Americas business to impose its standards and rules on other countries but that is just exactly what they are doing...
    No, they aren't. They never forced KSA to abolish Sharia. They never forced Japan to abolish the monarchy What enforcement of standards are you talking about?.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:25 pm

    Assimilation of what? US soldiers stationed in KSA weren't even allowed to bring Bibles for their own use (not preaching)

    Assimilation of the world to all things American...

    And not being allowed to take bibles was probably for their own good... ie self preservation.

    Does paedophilia among the Afghan people threaten US national interests?

    If the US can't tolerate Russia not being gay friendly how can it stand training kiddie fiddlers?

    Between US MILITARY PERSONNEL. Do Afghan government officials count as "US military personnel"?

    So US personel could take their children for the locals to molest and that would be OK right?

    No, they aren't. They never forced KSA to abolish Sharia. They never forced Japan to abolish the monarchy What enforcement of standards are you talking about?.

    They got american democracy... ie no more than two terms of elected leaders etc etc.

    And this is what democracy is or isn't and we will bomb anyone who opposes us.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:44 pm

    In United States it's not the military that conducts investigations of pedophilia - it's up to police, prosecutors and civilian courts to gather the evidence, arrest the crtiminals and sentence them. So if US Army does not deal with this kind of things in their own country, why should they do that in a foreign country?

    Pedophilia in Afghanistan does not endanger US national/security interests and it's up to Afghan government to solve that problem.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:19 am

    The US military has its own rules and also its own police and structures to police itself.

    Or are you trying to say if a civilian shoots a US military person that it is nothing to do with the US military... it would be a local civilian matter?

    Of course the problem generally isn't local people shooting US personel... normally it is US military raping and murdering those pretty little Japanese girls.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:The US military has its own rules and also its own police and structures to police itself.
    Itself - well said.
    GarryB wrote:Or are you trying to say if a civilian shoots a US military person that it is nothing to do with the US military... it would be a local civilian matter?
    That civilian would be tried by a civilian court. If a soldier killed a civilian he would be under jurisdiction of either a military or a civilian court, depending on circumstances.

    But do Afghan officials classify as "US military personnel"? No, they are civilian employees of a foreign (Afghan, not American) government and they are under jurisdiction of Afghan courts, not American ones.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:11 pm

    Itself - well said.

    Look at the first post in this thread.

    US personnel... military and civilian rape children and are not punished...

    It does not police itself properly.

    When a US commander of a vessel arrived home after murdering over 200 Iranians on an airbus in Iranian air space and firing a missile from Iranian waters being the murder weapon the commander of that vessel got a commendation medal...

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    Post  par far Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:16 am

    This is nothing new but what is the point of killing innocent civilians?

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/510580-afghanistan-death-squads-cia/
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:42 am

    par far wrote:This is nothing new but what is the point of killing innocent civilians?

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/510580-afghanistan-death-squads-cia/

    It is always about control. Power is afraid of dissidents and rebels. Real ones, not the phony proxies used by power
    to propagate itself through regime change and invasion. Innocent civilian victims serve as a mafia-style message
    to other civilians to conform.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:05 am

    Colin Powell Brought “Diversity” to War Crimes and Imperialism

    From Vietnam to Nicaragua to Panama to Iraq, Colin Powell has played an important role in imperialist violence for decades. Don’t mourn his death.



    https://www.leftvoice.org/colin-powell-brought-diversity-to-war-crimes-and-imperialism-dont-mourn-his-death/
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    Post  andalusia Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:46 am

    Many people are often led to believe that the Jonestown tragedy was a mass suicide however; with a closer examination of the evidence and facts reveals a sinister mind control operation and forced murder by the US military and CIA.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html


    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/index.html

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:59 pm

    andalusia wrote:Many people are often led to believe that the Jonestown tragedy was a mass suicide however; with a closer examination of the evidence and facts reveals a sinister mind control operation and forced murder by the US military and CIA.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html


    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/index.html

    The Soviet media covered this event as mass murder involving mercenaries, if I recall correctly. One could say that
    this was Soviet propaganda, but the USSR did not throw around cheesy tinfoil hat BS like the western media still does
    today. Dour reporting about tractor production is not fake news.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:02 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/546722-us-bombed-dam-syria/

    US nearly wiped out tens of thousands of civilians with dam strike in Syria – NYT
    The military then dismissed reports of the bombing as “crazy” and preemptively blamed ISIS

    In 2017, the US bombed a piece of strategic infrastructure in Syria, the Tabqa Dam on the Euphrates River, despite it being on a no-strike list, the New York Times reported.

    A B-52 bomber dropped some of the heaviest weapons in the US Air Force arsenal on the target, including at least one BLU-109 bunker buster, which is designed to destroy fortified concrete targets. This bomb pierced through five stories in one of the dam’s towers, but didn’t explode.

    If the Soviet-designed earth-and-concrete structure had failed, tens of thousands of people living in a valley below would likely have died.

    The dam wasn’t immediately destroyed, but damage to its equipment rendered it inoperational and at risk of overflowing. An unprecedented truce involving the terrorist group Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS), US-backed forces on the ground, and Syrian government forces was hastlily struck with Russia’s help to allow a crane controlling emergency floodgates to be repaired.

    After the work was done by a crew of 16 workers, a drone strike ordered by the same taskforce that called in the initial strike obliterated a van carrying some of them back. It killed a mechanical engineer, a technician, and a Syrian Red Crescent worker.

    The events were described by the Times based on interviews with unnamed US military officials as well as people in Syria, including an engineer who was present at the dam on the day of the strike. It is the newspaper’s latest expose of Talon Anvil operations, which critics call reckless. The taskforce was created to coordinate the war effort against IS and was staffed by US Army Delta Force commandos, according to previous reporting.

    The March 26 strike on the Tabqa Dam was attributed to US forces by Russia and Syria, but then-Lt. Gen. Stephen J. Townsend, under whose purview the taskforce operated, dismissed it as “a lot of crazy reporting.”

    “The Tabqa Dam is not a coalition target and when strikes occur on military targets, at or near the dam, we use non-cratering munitions to avoid unnecessary damage to the facility,” he assured journalists.

    According to Times sources, Talon Anvil routinely used a trick to circumvent the airstrike vetting process by senior command, citing the urgency of defending US allied forces from an imminent attack. The strike on the dam was also justified that way, but witnesses said no major fighting in the area was taking place before the bombs hit.

    US Central Command acknowledged dropping three 2,000-pound bombs, but said they were targeting towers, not the dam itself. And that the fact it didn’t fail proved the safety of the operation, a spokesman for the military suggested. He denied that the usual procedures were sidestepped in authorizing the strikes.

    The Times said a report requested from specialized engineers in the Defense Intelligence Agency’s Defense Resources and Infrastructure office prior to the strikes recommended against using any sort of explosives in the vicinity of the dam. Even relatively small munitions like Hellfire missiles could damage concrete structures controlling the flow of water, the four-page assessment said, according to the newspaper.

    Talon Anvil had not reported the dam strikes. The US military had to piece together what had happened by reviewing logs from the B-52 bomber, a source told the Times. No disciplinary action was taken against members of the secret unit, the newspaper reported.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:57 pm

    The US has committed war crimes in Syria and Serbia by bombing water treatment plants. The US always targets civilians.
    This is not WWII and a battle of equals for survival. This is pure mafia tactics. Terrorize the civilians to undermine your
    "enemy".

    The US attacking columns of retreating Iraqi soldiers was also a war crime even if I hear sophistry about how they were
    not under any ceasefire. Using the US logic, no POWs should ever be taken and anyone in uniform should be killed.
    If the opponent fights to the death, then that is one thing. But shooting the opponent in the back is another.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:53 am

    The US attacking columns of retreating Iraqi soldiers was also a war crime even if I hear sophistry about how they were
    not under any ceasefire.

    Sadly the self proclaimed world police force has the morals and ethics of a US Lawyer...

    Very simply if they are told it is not to the letter illegal then they will do it... their snipers are issued with hollow point bullets which they claim they use for its aerodynamic effects... their soldiers use rifle ammunition designed to tumble and fragment on impact, both of which violate conventions on ammunition... but no one challenges them so they do it.

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen as targets for the nuclear bomb attacks because they had no military value and had not been bombed before by the US... their selection as targets was a message to the Japanese to say we will murder your innocent civilians that will otherwise have no part to contribute to this conflict and therefore we are prepared to kill you all. But that message was also directed at Stalin... we care about our own men but we will murder every single one of our enemies if we think it is necessary.

    It is amusing that it is OK to say better dead than Red... because obviously all human rights to life and freedom that the US and the west holds so dear don't apply to people who believe in a different form of government to what we believe in... you can't kill them for being a particular religion, but if they are commies they are fair game... which is handy because when they are dead you can claim they were commies.

    Statistics from WWII showed the majority of men weren't actually interested in killing the enemy and just wanted to keep themselves and their mates alive, but a small percentage were psychopaths who loved to kill and were very good at it, and it was studying these people that allowed the west to work out what makes someone kill and conversely what stops someone from killing... in combat you can see your mates firing but you can see if they are hitting what they are shooting at... or even if they are firing over the heads of their enemies.

    Modern military training is about making new recruits shoot like psychopaths... to kill... and police now get that same training in some places too...

    Sadly the development and advancement in training people to kill has not been matched with development and progress in helping them deal with what they have done afterwards... leading to problems with soldiers after wars have ended.

    Most WWII veterans just didn't talk about it, because it wasn't a hollywood movie where we were the heros and they were the bad guys and the good guys won without a scratch and all the bad guys clutched their chests when hit and fell to the ground dead.

    There was screaming and body parts... most people don't just quietly die at the first hit and most hits are never to the heart... and of course the guilt... they came home and so many of their friends... their best buddies didn't... and it wasn't that they were bad soldiers... sometimes it was just luck... you took cover in the wrong foxhole, or a stray bullet got you, and of course you are all scared to death most of the time.

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