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    Post  jhelb on Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:31 pm

    I am starting this thread to expose the lies that the West has been spreading the world over
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:33 pm


    North America before illegal immigrants spoiled the place


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    Post  victor1985 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:28 am

    usually usa speak about peace but they always sustain that "peace" with weapons. that doesnt look quite fair. justify that is need for a world policeman raise the question if that policeman is using this argument for impose own interests. so where come from the peace in finally is easy. just let everyone autodetermine because only in own style you can find that peace.
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:42 pm

    Henry Kissinger's Latest Interview: Admits Detente Was Used To Dis Integrate The Soviet Union


    http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/the-interview-henry-kissinger-13615?page=show


    Also note what he says about China. G2 is certainly possible.
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:07 pm

    Proof that the US tried to destabilize every single Soviet ally in the Middle East post 1991


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-06/putin-has-just-put-end-wolfowitz-doctrine


    In 1991, [powerful neocon and Iraq war architect Paul Wolfowitz] was the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy – the number 3 position at the Pentagon. And I had gone to see him when I was a 1-Star General commanding the National Training Center.

    ***

    And I said, “Mr. Secretary, you must be pretty happy with the performance of the troops in Desert Storm.”

    And he said: “Yeah, but not really, because the truth is we should have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, and we didn’t … But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet client regimes – Syria, Iran, Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.”

    Gen Wesley Clarke
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:55 pm

    How The US Government Invents Terrorist By Falsely Implicating Innocent Individuals


    https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/an-fbi-informant-seduced-eric-mcdavid-into-a-bomb-plot-then-the-government-lied-about-it/?comments=1#comments
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:19 pm

    All this talk of NATO needing to protect their Eastern European allies is truly laughable:

    NATO wanted to nuke their future allies
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    Post  max steel on Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:38 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:All this talk of NATO needing to protect their Eastern European allies is truly laughable:

    NATO wanted to nuke their future allies


    Can't find any such article describing nato wants to nuke their allies
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    Post  Guest on Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:56 pm

    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:All this talk of NATO needing to protect their Eastern European allies is truly laughable:

    NATO wanted to nuke their future allies


    Can't find any such article describing nato wants to nuke their allies

    I however on other hand can Very Happy

    "U.S. Cold War Nuclear Target Lists Declassified for First Time

    According to 1956 Plan, H-Bombs were to be Used Against Priority “Air Power” Targets in the Soviet Union, China, and Eastern Europe

    Major Cities in Soviet Bloc, Including East Berlin, Were High Priorities in “Systematic Destruction” for Atomic Bombings

    Plans to Target People (“Population”) Violated International Legal Norms"

    "The SAC [Strategic Air Command] Atomic Weapons Requirements Study for 1959, produced in June 1956 and published today for the first time by the National Security Archive www.nsarchive.org, provides the most comprehensive and detailed list of nuclear targets and target systems that has ever been declassified. As far as can be told, no comparable document has ever been declassified for any period of Cold War history.

    The SAC study includes chilling details. According to its authors, their target priorities and nuclear bombing tactics would expose nearby civilians and “friendly forces and people” to high levels of deadly radioactive fallout. Moreover, the authors developed a plan for the “systematic destruction” of Soviet bloc urban-industrial targets that specifically and explicitly targeted “population” in all cities, including Beijing, Moscow, Leningrad, East Berlin, and Warsaw. Purposefully targeting civilian populations as such directly conflicted with the international norms of the day, which prohibited attacks on people per se (as opposed to military installations with civilians nearby).

    The National Security Archive, based at The George Washington University, obtained the study, totaling more than 800 pages, through the Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) process (see sidebar).

    The SAC document includes lists of more than 1100 airfields in the Soviet bloc, with a priority number assigned to each base. With the Soviet bomber force as the highest priority for nuclear targeting (this was before the age of ICBMs), SAC assigned priority one and two to Bykhov and Orsha airfields, both located in Belorussia. At both bases, the Soviet Air Force deployed medium-range Badger (TU-16) bombers, which would have posed a threat to NATO allies and U.S. forces in Western Europe.

    A second list was of urban-industrial areas identified for “systematic destruction.” SAC listed over 1200 cities in the Soviet bloc, from East Germany to China, also with priorities established. Moscow and Leningrad were priority one and two respectively. Moscow included 179 Designated Ground Zeros (DGZs) while Leningrad had 145, including “population” targets. In both cities, SAC identified air power installations, such as Soviet Air Force command centers, which it would have devastated with thermonuclear weapons early in the war.

    According to the study, SAC would have targeted Air Power targets with bombs ranging from 1.7 to 9 megatons. Exploding them at ground level, as planned, would have produced significant fallout hazards to nearby civilians. SAC also wanted a 60 megaton weapon which it believed necessary for deterrence, but also because it would produce “significant results” in the event of a Soviet surprise attack. One megaton would be 70 times the explosive yield of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.
    "


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    Source: http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb538-Cold-War-Nuclear-Target-List-Declassified-First-Ever/
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    Post  max steel on Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:41 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:All this talk of NATO needing to protect their Eastern European allies is truly laughable:

    NATO wanted to nuke their future allies


    Can't find any such article describing nato wants to nuke their allies

    I however on other hand can Very Happy

    "U.S. Cold War Nuclear Target Lists Declassified for First Time

    According to 1956 Plan, H-Bombs were to be Used Against Priority “Air Power” Targets in the Soviet Union, China, and Eastern Europe

    Major Cities in Soviet Bloc, Including East Berlin, Were High Priorities in “Systematic Destruction” for Atomic Bombings

    Plans to Target People (“Population”) Violated International Legal Norms"

    "The SAC [Strategic Air Command] Atomic Weapons Requirements Study for 1959, produced in June 1956 and published today for the first time by the National Security Archive www.nsarchive.org, provides the most comprehensive and detailed list of nuclear targets and target systems that has ever been declassified. As far as can be told, no comparable document has ever been declassified for any period of Cold War history.

    The SAC study includes chilling details. According to its authors,  their target priorities and nuclear bombing tactics would expose nearby civilians and “friendly forces and people” to high levels of deadly radioactive fallout.  Moreover, the authors developed a plan for the “systematic destruction” of Soviet bloc urban-industrial targets that specifically and explicitly targeted “population” in all cities, including Beijing, Moscow, Leningrad, East Berlin, and Warsaw.  Purposefully targeting civilian populations as such directly conflicted with the international norms of the day, which prohibited attacks on people per se (as opposed to military installations with civilians nearby).

    The National Security Archive, based at The George Washington University, obtained the study, totaling more than 800 pages, through the Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) process (see sidebar).

    The SAC document includes lists of more than 1100 airfields in the Soviet bloc, with a priority number assigned to each base.  With the Soviet bomber force as the highest priority for nuclear targeting (this was before the age of ICBMs), SAC assigned priority one and two to Bykhov and Orsha airfields, both located in Belorussia. At both bases, the Soviet Air Force deployed medium-range Badger (TU-16) bombers, which would have posed a threat to NATO allies and U.S. forces in Western Europe.  

    A second list was of urban-industrial areas identified for “systematic destruction.”  SAC listed over 1200 cities in the Soviet bloc, from East Germany to China, also with priorities established.  Moscow and Leningrad were priority one and two respectively.  Moscow included 179 Designated Ground Zeros (DGZs) while Leningrad had 145, including “population” targets.  In both cities, SAC identified air power installations, such as Soviet Air Force command centers, which it would have devastated with thermonuclear weapons early in the war.

    According to the study, SAC would have targeted Air Power targets with bombs ranging from 1.7 to 9 megatons.  Exploding them at ground level, as planned, would have produced significant fallout hazards to nearby civilians.  SAC also wanted a 60 megaton weapon which it believed necessary for deterrence, but also because it would produce “significant results” in the event of a Soviet surprise attack. One megaton would be 70 times the explosive yield of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.
    "


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    Source: http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb538-Cold-War-Nuclear-Target-List-Declassified-First-Ever/


    At that time Eastern Europe was under Soviet Union not under nato membership. A misleading headline, nothing else.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:49 pm

    And you think people would care?

    Rest of germany certainly would not like to see their home country being nuked. Nobody needs such an enemy when you already have such an ally. The strategy has never changed, the US still happily planning to throw every ukrainian, pole, czech, german, esto-latvo-lithunian against russia. That was always the strategy of US and has never changed and it will never change because the leadership has never changed. Not the presidents run the country but elitists that is why JFK was murdered he was against that establishment of elitists running shadowy the country and global politics.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:00 pm

    Let's be honest here, I think this is making too much noise over a quite obvious fact. Do people think that the Soviet Union had no plans to bomb Britain, Italy, Netherlands, Norway and any other NATO country in case of WWIII?
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:08 pm

    OMFG, "plans" once more...

    Every country makes hundreds of plans "in case of...". 99.99% of them never see implementation. I am sure that PLA general staff has plans for a war against India -does it mean that China actually wants to wage war with India?
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:28 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:OMFG, "plans" once more...

    Every country makes hundreds of plans "in case of...". 99.99% of them never see implementation. I am sure that PLA general staff has plans for a war against India  -does it mean that China actually wants to wage war with India?

    US wants to wage a war agaisnt russia that is a fact and has never changed. No matter the cost of lives of others is the policy so keep your bullshit away or adopt to reality.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:02 am

    https://twitter.com/city_affairs/status/1135444450103177216

    Rather convincing evidence that it was not "pro democracy students" and instead a criminal operation.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:29 pm

    Pretty obvious that there are only real free revolutions quickly get squashed by the CIA... whether it is Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders in the US...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:37 pm



    Elon Musk is a thug and wanted to have the whistle-blower who exposed the horrible quality control and working conditions
    at Tesla to be "killed by cop" by having false reports of a mass shooting in preparation given to police. This is on top
    of the smear campaign in the mass media.

    The whistle blower exposed that Tesla's production volume is half of what Musk claims. Musk is a show-boating snake oil
    salesman that diverts attention from failures in SpaceX with BS announcements at Tesla and vice versa.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:20 am

    As long as Musk is in control the US will need to keep buying Russian man rated rockets to access space... so as far as I am concerned Viva Le Elon.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:38 am

    GarryB wrote:As long as Musk is in control the US will need to keep buying Russian man rated rockets to access space... so as far as I am concerned Viva Le Elon.

    Snake oil capitalism is a failure. Considering the subject matter I linked in other threads, the USSR would have succeeded if it paid attention
    to human psychology. It could have secured itself first before feeding parasites around the world and could have implemented exactly the
    same pluralism that the west was claiming to own by having multiple parties. If multiple parties can exist in a capitalist economy, then
    they can exist in a communist economy (*). Unfortunately, Soviet communism was born out of combinations of western meddling and subjected
    to endless hostility from the colonialist west. It could not be soft during its formative stages and this became a legacy that dragged it down
    in the 1970s and later. Autocratic one party rule resulted in the formation of a capitalist wannabe elite who broke the system from the
    inside.

    (*) I have heard claims that pluralism can only exist under capitalism. This is BS. Capitalist pluralism is loyal to the economic order even
    if there is lots of "debate" about socialist policies. No mainstream party is going to round up capitalists and send them to gulags. The same
    loyal order can be maintained under communism.

    PS. The prime reason that the west hates Russia is that it is not conforming and submitting. The current system in Russia is not western
    style capitalism. The government actually has a spine and cracks the whip on oligarch wannabes. In some ways the Russian flavour of
    capitalism is similar to the South Korean and Japanese models, but it is not culturally linked to feudalism and family clans. Russia realized
    that not everything about the USSR was a "fail" and that western order is not some invisible hand of order from chaos, but oligarchical
    control. This realization took root by 1998 when Chernomyrdin stated that the era of market romanticism is over. And Primakov stepped
    in to save the Russian economy with pragmatic solutions instead of monetarist and capitalist voodoo.


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    Post  Aristide on Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:35 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    North America before illegal immigrants spoiled the place


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    Do you have a similar map of Siberia befor illegal immigrants spoiled the place?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:22 am

    So what you are saying is that we europeans are civilised and advanced in technology, but when someone talks about your crimes and history of being very uncivilised you revert to being a 5 year old and say but they did it too...

    Which pretty much shows the civility and morality is skin deep and useless... practise what you preach or shut the fuck up.
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    Post  Aristide on Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:57 am

    GarryB wrote:So what you are saying is that we europeans are civilised and advanced in technology, but when someone talks about your crimes and history of being very uncivilised you revert to being a 5 year old and say but they did it too...

    Which pretty much shows the civility and morality is skin deep and useless... practise what you preach or shut the fuck up.

    No, Russians are europeans too. Im talking about their conquest of siberia. Its not often talked about. It was same methods that europeans used in north america.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia

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