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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:53 pm

    Even BBC reported that Georgia attacked South Ossetia. At first. 24 hours later they turned into Biden and couldn´t remember. Laughing

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    Post  Nomad5891 Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:15 pm

    Anyone in Russia can give more insight if there is actual oposition in Russia?
    What I mean is a party that has alternative sane vision for Russia, has following among population and so on.
    There seems to be significant decline in Putin and United Russia aproval ratings and it is strange to me no one but this crook Navalny has taken advantage of that..

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:06 pm

    He didn't gain much. For a month his popularity went up from 3% to 5% but then apparently dropped. It mostly went up due to the liberals all shouting the loudest.

    LDPR and Communists still get second fiddle (at least they battle it out between the two). Right now, there are infighting in the communist party due to some members in the party who supported Navalny and so they themselves might get ousted since most in the communist view Navalny as a racist traitor.

    Prime minister of Russia gets much more votes than Navalny, and he wasn't even voted in but moved in by Putin. And that is based upon Western funded Levada Center.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:04 pm

    A pathological liar Navalny supporter (which seems to go hand and hand these days), got caught in a blatant lie...I know shocker?!?!?!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:54 pm

    2 Russian opposition parties merging: https://youtu.be/k_UY14zgt9k?t=423.

    How Putin's friends took over Gazprom

    The window to the West is closing. What will save the Russian elite now?
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:56 pm

    Why don't you name the two parties please.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:32 pm

    They r Patriots of Russia & A Just Russia — Patriots — For Truth
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:56 pm

    funny, they used to be together at one point, diverged into other parties, and now merging.

    A wierd collaboration of socialist party which is a counter to the communists since they have a bad rap with them.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:41 pm

    Amnesty International says it will not call Navalny ‘prisoner of conscience’ anymore over his HATE SPEECH

    Amnesty International, a human rights NGO, has withdrawn its designation of the recently jailed Russian activist and blogger Alexey Navalny as a “prisoner of conscience” due to past xenophobic statements he never retracted.
    The group said it “is no longer able to consider” Navalny a prisoner of conscience because he “advocated violence and discrimination” and has never retracted any of such statements he made in the past. It maintained, however, that it still believes that his latest imprisonment was linked to his anti-government activism and demanded his “immediate release,”

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:07 am

    Putin and Lukashenko: friendship amid protests

    Both served in the KGB: 1 in Germany & the other in the Border Guards, so they have a lot in common.

    Return to the totalitarian past

    F. Dzerzhinsky is infamous (the Iron Felix), but if a statue of A. Nevsky is installed, it's worth recalling that he was a Russian satrap of the Golden Horde who suppressed Novgorod democracy & independence. IMO, they could find some1 better to commemorate at Lubyanka Square.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:49 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Putin and Lukashenko: friendship amid protests

    Both served in the KGB: 1 in Germany & the other in the Border Guards, so they have a lot in common.

    Return to the totalitarian past

    F. Dzerzhinsky is infamous (the Iron Felix), but if a statue of A. Nevsky is installed, it's worth recalling that he was a Russian satrap of the Golden Horde who suppressed Novgorod democracy & independence. IMO, they could find some1 better to commemorate at Lubyanka Square.

    A satrap of the Golden Horde or a Kievan-Rus Prince who lived thru those times and had no choice but to accomodate the Mongols? He managed to conserve the Russian State and Church and at the time, a tribute was unavoidable. It's not like he was a pacifist or a coward, given that he had no issue with making war on the Swedes, Germans and Estonians when they tried to invade.

    Tell me genius, WTF do you think he should have done????
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:02 am

    I'm not blaming him for anything; his statue there will just symbolize that Russia's heritage & direction is more Asiatic than European, as the people in the clips I posted said.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:09 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Amnesty International says it will not call Navalny ‘prisoner of conscience’ anymore over his HATE SPEECH

    Amnesty International, a human rights NGO, has withdrawn its designation of the recently jailed Russian activist and blogger Alexey Navalny as a “prisoner of conscience” due to past xenophobic statements he never retracted.
    The group said it “is no longer able to consider” Navalny a prisoner of conscience because he “advocated violence and discrimination” and has never retracted any of such statements he made in the past. It maintained, however, that it still believes that his latest imprisonment was linked to his anti-government activism and demanded his “immediate release,”

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    Let's be honest here, as soon as Biden ""won"" and Navalny came out, it was very clear that he was being thrown to the sharks to create a distraction from the American ClusterF of an election as well as start building further case for more sanction and other Color revolution nonsense.
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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:44 am

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky

    Wikipedia has a better grip on the truth than the resident troll-tard Tsavo Feline.

    Nevsky forced Novgorod to pay tribute and there was no democracy to suppress.   By refusing to pay tribute the
    local clowns put everyone else at risk for punitive retribution and would not have survived any such retribution.
    In other words, Nevsky did the wise and righteous thing.   Nevsky was also brilliant for sussing out the Catholics
    who were a real menace to Russia since they had a rabid hate for the Orthodox.   That is why they sent crusaders
    against Russia (Teutonic Order). The Tatars didn't have such ideological investment.  Paying them tribute made more
    sense for the long term survival of Russia.   And it has been demonstrated by the centuries following the Tatar-Mongol
    yoke that the west is obsessed with exterminating Russia.   We can see this today as well, where Crimea is trotted out
    like something worse than the Nazis starting WWII and carrying out the Holocaust.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:44 am

    Compared to the rest of his domain, Novgorod was a democracy. Nevsky wasn't thinking about preserving his people as much as preserving his own power. There were a few towns who resisted the Mongols with success & were bypassed by them. But due to their infighting for several decades prior to invasion, Rus principalities were weakened & fell an easy prey.
    The Mongol-Tatars weren't invincible: the Mamluks of Egypt & the Vietnamese defeated them & the Koreans fought them for many years, delaying the invasion of Japan. The Japanese put up a stiff resistance twice & were aided by storms. The 3rd invasion was cancelled.
    D. Donskoy defeated them in 1380, & later Timur cancelled his invasion of Rus.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:17 am

    There seems to be significant decline in Putin and United Russia aproval ratings and it is strange to me no one but this crook Navalny has taken advantage of that..

    Seems.

    That impression is projected by the western media that want Putin out. The Amusing thing is that the 30 percent not happy with Putin are not happy because they think he is too soft on the west and have realised the west accepting Russia as it is is never going to happen and they wont drop down on one knee for a bunch of lying hypocrites...

    The second most powerful political force in Russia is the Communists and they don't expect or want good relations with the west.

    If Putin goes it is more likely someone else from the same party will step up and take over... the sort of thing that happens in the west all the time.

    The problem for the west is that Putin is about the most pro west politician that Russia is likely to have for the next 30 years... at least till the memories of the 1990s and Yeltsin and the way the Americans manipulated and used him are gone...

    The people criticising Putin talk about the evil oligarchs that support him and they all steal from the Russian people... these are idiots who don't follow what actually happened.

    You can't have a society without the rich... I am not sure a society wont function without such obsenely rich people but it has never happened before so lets ignore the possibility.

    When Putin took over he essentially made a deal... you have what you have, but you now have to pay tax and be a good Russian citizen and benefit Russia first... and stay out of politics... some of the very rich people were happy with that arrangement, while others that wanted to keep stealing because it was free money ran into trouble and started getting arrested for their very real crimes... Bill Browder is one such criminal though he is UK/American, but there are plenty of other very very rich Russians living in the UK with their stolen money.

    Imagine Germany collapsed and everything that is now in private hands was actually government owned so essentially the reverse of what is now. Who would not want to buy BMW... the factories are financially rich because they have the pensions of the workers that the workers have paid into all their lives, so you talk to an American you know is in the CIA and he gives you 5 million dollars to buy BMW... Germany used to be a communist state so no one else has that sort of money... you might pair up with the top criminal and he can provide protection and get rid of any rival bids, and so you win the bid and get BMW... the whole company... from design to production for 5 million. Why did the CIA give you 5 million dollars? Well first of all they now own you, and secondly they know you are going to asset strip the company and essentially destroy it which means those factories can eventually re open and make cars for the American market much cheaper, or for another market the American cars can't access but ex communist Germany can. So you declare all the tooling and machinery to be cold war junk and sell it off for a fraction of what it was worth because it was actually rather good solid stuff. You then fire 3/4ths of the workers and pinch their pensions... can you see how these guys went from nothing nobodies in a communist country to billionaires... ruthless bastards every one of them.

    Then Putin gets into power and tells you to look after the factory towns your factory used to support as the primary employer and to pay tax at a proper rate after 10 years of not paying any tax at all... some of them transfer their money overseas and go to the UK and buy a soccer team and become heroes in the west for being anti Putin.

    Wonder why democracy gets such a bad rap in some places...

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:10 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I'm not blaming him for anything; his statue there will just symbolize that Russia's heritage & direction is more Asiatic than European, as the people in the clips I posted said.

    Let's for a second ignore the fact that every single thing you post is 100% crap and ask you a simple question:

    Do I or majority of other folks on this forum look like people who give any measurable amount of fucks about democracy?

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:21 pm

    Western-style democracy = rule by puppets to the good of oligarchs.

    TL would be canceled on every western media for this "more asiatic then european" remark. The pseudo-liberal woke LGBTQRSTUVW folks would get a stroke and collapse. lol1

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:I'm not blaming him for anything; his statue there will just symbolize that Russia's heritage & direction is more Asiatic than European, as the people in the clips I posted said.

    Let's for a second ignore the fact that every single thing you post is 100% crap and ask you a simple question:

    Do I or majority of other folks on this forum look like people who give any measurable amount of fucks about democracy?


    Calling it "democracy" is a misnomer, the term "IMF Debt-slavery" is more accurate. If a serial killer has a chainsaw, and they put a sticker label saying "Teddy Bear" on the chainsaw and they decide to dismember someone with their "Teddy Bear", it doesn't actually mean they killed them with kindness with their cuddly stuffed toy.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:35 pm

    Amnesty International does not consider Navalny a prisoner of conscience

    Putin and the FSB. Scandal around Amnesty International and Navalny. Action in memory of Nemtsov

    They decided to equate the insult to the veterans with the justification of Nazism. The corresponding law was prepared by a group of deputies from "United Russia" headed by Irina Yarovaya. Another author, Alexander Khinshtein, called the fine in the case of insulting a veteran "disproportionate to the gravity of the moral crimes." “Today the liability for libel has already been toughened, and the person involved in the case was tried according to the old version of the Criminal Code, since it was it that was in force at the time of the crime,” Khinshtein added. The name of the person involved, about whom the deputy speaks, is not given in the message of "United Russia", notes RBC. A demonstration campaign to protect veterans was launched simultaneously with the trial of Alexei Navalny in the libel case. As a result, the politician received a fine of 850 thousand rubles for disseminating false information about the war participant Ignat Artemenko. The veteran was in the RT video in support of the amendments to the Constitution. And Navalny called the participants in this recording traitors and corrupt lackeys. We discussed the new law with political scientist Yekaterina Shulman.
    Ekaterina Shulman on how the authorities are trying to discredit Navalny

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:I'm not blaming him for anything; his statue there will just symbolize that Russia's heritage & direction is more Asiatic than European, as the people in the clips I posted said.
    Let's for a second ignore the fact that every single thing you post is 100% crap..- I ignore the things u post all the time.
    Do I or majority of other folks on this forum look like people who give any measurable amount of fucks about democracy?
    of course not; u also don't give a fuck about how the Russians live & feel under/about the Putin authoritarian regime which is turning into a dictatorship by the day. U don't know how good u have it in ur Serbia.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:16 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:...U don't know how good u have it in ur Serbia.

    Opinions differ on how good but what we do know is what it was like to have shitheads like Navalny and his gang of traitors running the country which they did here during first decade of this century

    Needless to say nobody with any dignity is in a hurry to experience it again and when we say that Russian liberals are scum we speak from position of knowledge



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:29 am

    What sanctions are the Russian elite most afraid of, and why can't Russia turn its back on the West?

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:23 pm

    The irony is that authoritarian actually appeals to a lot of people who have experienced the murder baron alternative... rule of law and solid economic decisions is actually rather appealing.

    In the west we love to borrow money to live beyond our means... which is fine for an individual... but when it is a government then things get a little bit different.

    Ironically democracy is better for politicians.... they can get into power and make all sorts of stupid errors that will screw everything up but not for a decade or so so they will be long out of power so they don't care.

    Case in point changing rules for banks giving loans... it used to be everywhere that if they gave you a loan you could not pay back you were not legally bound to pay it back.... getting a loan was a nightmare, but only people who could pay them back got one.

    A few people still couldn't pay because their circumstances changed or they got ripped off or whatever but most people paid with interest.

    Then they changed the rules... lending money earns good money because you get interest payments and you can change that as you please... as long as you don't charge too much you keep most of your customers and they keep paying you to borrow money that is essentially your other customers life savings.

    Someone buying a house suddenly became interesting because house prices go up.

    I have no money and no job and no car and no collateral but the bank will loan me the money to buy a half million dollar house, because if I can't pay them back they can just seize the house and sell it and recover their money... the 6 months it takes for me to not pay any money and them realising I wont be paying them their money back... the house is probably now $600K so when they sell it they will get all their money back and a nice little profit while I probably get prosecuted by them for wasting their time and fraud or some shit.

    The problem when house prices stagnate or heaven forbid collapse... a 2 million dollar loan on a house that is falling apart and now worth half a million they will still seize it and sell it but I still owe 1.5 million and I am also homeless and therefore a flight risk so that bank wants me in jail so I don't do a runner.

    They gave me the loan but it is my fault things turned bad.... even if I had a good job and was keeping payments... when I find out my 2 million dollar loan is for a house worth half a million I am going to realise I am in a money trap... paying for something that isn't worth it...

    The point is that when the housing markets in the US collapsed it wasn't the homeowner that got bailed out... it was the banks cause they are too big to fail and the billions of dollars a year in profit they make and the millions of dollars in salary and bonuses the CEOs award themselves despite never having to pay for anything with a company car and your own car park and business lunches that go for hours and all sorts of other perks which means you don't have to spend your own money on very much at all... they need the money more than people who work for a living right?

    But Bank CEOs and the politicians who changed the rules never get mentioned by our free press because they are part of the same machine.

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:27 pm

    It is worse than that. We saw with the subprime meltdown in 2008 that "democratic governments" rush to prop up the
    banks and cover their losses with taxpayer money. Clearly these "democratic governments" serve masters other than
    the voter majority. The voters are serfs on the plantation. Milked to keep the rich provided with filthy lucre. As
    has been the case since humans surrendered their freedom to live off the land and had to submit to a lord running
    a protection racket. Nomads can move, but farmers can't so extortion and intimidation gangs become an effective
    tool of control.

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