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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:15 am

    calripson wrote:Worse is the message it sends to the police and national guard: the government does not have your backs. Regimes fall when the guys with the guns decide not to use them and it takes only a vocal and committed minority to overthrow a government that is too weak to use force. The same message is sent by arresting Navalny multiple times and letting him walk out a couple of days later a hero.

    Yes. Hopefully that if this continues, a coup is lead against the government and someone more Hardline and willing to uphold the law (as well as arrest the prosecution office for unwilling to uphold the law) gets into power.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:38 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    calripson wrote:Worse is the message it sends to the police and national guard: the government does not have your backs. Regimes fall when the guys with the guns decide not to use them and it takes only a vocal and committed minority to overthrow a government that is too weak to use force. The same message is sent by arresting Navalny multiple times and letting him walk out a couple of days later a hero.

    Yes. Hopefully that if this continues, a coup is lead against the government and someone more Hardline and willing to uphold the law (as well as arrest the prosecution office for unwilling to uphold the law) gets into power.

    Not happening

    What will happen is coup by liberals same as with any color revolution once you give in to them

    Russians blinked first

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    calripson wrote:Worse is the message it sends to the police and national guard: the government does not have your backs. Regimes fall when the guys with the guns decide not to use them and it takes only a vocal and committed minority to overthrow a government that is too weak to use force. The same message is sent by arresting Navalny multiple times and letting him walk out a couple of days later a hero.

    Yes. Hopefully that if this continues, a coup is lead against the government and someone more Hardline and willing to uphold the law (as well as arrest the prosecution office for unwilling to uphold the law) gets into power.

    Not happening

    What will happen is coup by liberals same as with any color revolution once you give in to them

    Russians blinked first


    They sure did.  I doubt Liberals will take over though.  I imagine others will prevent that from happening by going in rough.  This time it may end up coup by military or by nationalists like what happened in Ukraine and other countries as of late.  Most Russians remember liberals rule and they have no love for it.  But yeah, the authorities blinked hard. And I dont even know why either. The amount of people supporting this dolt was very small. Only some groups came out in favor and its pathetic. Wouldn't have done damage to party at all. So something is wrong here.
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    Post  PhSt Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:52 am

    They sure did. I doubt Liberals will take over though. I imagine others will prevent that from happening by going in rough. This time it may end up coup by military or by nationalists like what happened in Ukraine and other countries as of late. Most Russians remember liberals rule and they have no love for it. But yeah, the authorities blinked hard. And I dont even know why either. The amount of people supporting this dolt was very small. Only some groups came out in favor and its pathetic. Wouldn't have done damage to party at all. So something is wrong here.

    Its BS like this why I wish to see the US collapse sooner than later. without the US, these Liberat vermins will have ZERO backing from any significant global player and will make exterminating (literally) them far easier. If this crap continues, Russia is headed for a 2nd breakup, if ever such an event will happen, then it will be better for the remaining Patriotic Russians to start a nuclear war against NATO. Because the resulting MAD is a much better outcome (Both NATO and Russia destroyed) compared to Russia disintegrating to tiny republics (only Russia gets destroyed).
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:49 am

    Its BS like this why I wish to see the US collapse sooner than later. without the US, these Liberat vermins will have ZERO backing from any significant global player and will make exterminating (literally) them far easier

    I disagree. The problem is not America as such, it is the liberal rich people who run America... if the US economy tanked and people stopped using the US dollar and it suddenly became worthless and countries holding US debt demanded payment in gold... and then when we found out that they do not hold as much gold as they claim to... especially other countries gold... well the US will still be powerful militarily... so how do you seize assets from a well armed drug baron?

    Lots of the wealthy will leave the US before the government turns to its most wealthy to help pay its debts... they will run away like rich people ran away from Ireland when things got tough.

    Rich people are mobile... they can come and move in when the tax rate is tiny, but tax rates go up because you actually have to start paying bills and they can move out overnight.

    Most countries are controlled to an extent by their rich people... look at the way people treat the opinions of famous people... if they weren't rich or famous you wouldn't care, but because they are rich and famous people want to hear what they think... the smart ones keep their mouths shut... look at the death threats and shit the Dixie Chicks got when the little chubby blonde one said Bush wasn't the best thing to come out of Texas... incredible.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:23 am

    Hmm, I may have jumped the gun too quickly.

    So it seems that after his release, Ustinov gave an interview to CIA Radio Free Europe.

    Anyway, in the interview he said he has no political affiliate and he was indifferent to the politics at hand. After such interview, many of the liberal community are now saying he is guilty (before hand they wanted him free) and that he is a third rate actor and so on. They showed their hypocrisy after this.

    So maybe the release was more tactical
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    Post  Regular Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I disagree. The problem is not America as such, it is the liberal rich people who run America...
    Jews unshaven they run the show in US and no one else.

    miketheterrible wrote:Hmm, I may have jumped the gun too quickly.

    So it seems that after his release, Ustinov gave an interview to CIA Radio Free Europe.

    Anyway, in the interview he said he has no political affiliate and he was indifferent to the politics at hand. After such interview, many of the liberal community are now saying he is guilty (before hand they wanted him free) and that he is a third rate actor and so on.  They showed their hypocrisy after this.

    So maybe the release was more tactical

    As I told before, Russians opposition is so shit because they canibalise themselves. I am all for healthy opposition, but for people in power - clowns like Russian opposition is god given. No one takes them seriously, apart from this forum.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:05 am

    Problem is, if you follow through what is being shown:

    https://twitter.com/dnrpress/status/1175405289891401728

    You will notice that Russia has a real major problem with these liberal morons. And they are growing in numbers too. Yabloko party actually got 3 seats in Moscow, first time since 2015. All in the rich areas. That should be very worrying for people.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:01 am

    Jews unshaven they run the show in US and no one else.

    A lot are involved in US politics... and when I say that I mean bribing politicians to get a say if they get elected... which is why they often both parties, and US media is controlled by juice or juice friendly people of other faiths... but I think it is more about rich people being super liberal, and they perhaps identify with the Jewish chosen people complex... they are rich because they are better people than poor people who are stupid and bad...

    You will notice that Russia has a real major problem with these liberal morons. And they are growing in numbers too. Yabloko party actually got 3 seats in Moscow, first time since 2015. All in the rich areas. That should be very worrying for people.

    Sometimes the best way to cure a person of their worship of something is to allow them to meet their idol and live the life they think it offers.

    Lots of ISIS recruits probably thought it was just a reaction to the crimes of the west against muslims, but really it ended up being about muslims committing crimes against everyone... that 14 year old kid they captured and cut the head off wasn't an American or British kid... he was Syrian. The women they put in a cage and poured petrol on and burned to death weren't western sluts... in fact if they were they probably would have accepted marriage demands from ISIS fighters and would not have been burned to death.

    Lets wait and see how these new politicians perform...
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    Post  PhSt Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:38 pm


    So now the NATO Liberal rent a crowd 5th columnist rioters are free to attack the Police with little consequences. I hope this “Strategic” decision on Ustinov’s case will not bite back the authorities later on



    Penalty for actor charged with attacking police officer changed for 1-year suspension term

    Ustinov’s case caused public outcry — art directors of Moscow’s theaters and actors voiced their support for him

    MOSCOW, September 30. /TASS/. The Moscow City Court changed punishment for actor Pavel Ustinov from 3.5 years in a colony for a suspended sentence of one year for using violence against an officer of the Federal National Guard Troops Service, TASS reported.

    "[The court rules] to change Tverskoi Court’s verdict for Ustinov, changing the category of the committed crime from a severe crime to a crime of average gravity and impose suspended punishment in the form of one year of imprisonment with a trial period of two years," the judge announced the verdict.

    On September 16, Moscow’s Tverskoi Court sentenced Ustinov to 3.5 years of imprisonment, finding him guilty of using violence against a riot police officer endangering the latter's health (Part 2 Section 318 of the Russian Criminal Code). The investigators and the court found that during the detention Ustinov offered active resistance to an officer of the Federal National Guard Troops Service, dislocating his shoulder. Ustinov pled not guilty, saying that he did not harm the riot police officer and found himself on the site of the August 3 unauthorized rally by chance: he had a business meeting that day.

    Ustinov’s case caused public outcry. Art directors of Moscow’s theaters and actors voiced their support for him.

    https://tass.com/society/1080484

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:04 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    So now the NATO Liberal rent a crowd 5th columnist rioters are free to attack the Police with little consequences. I hope this “Strategic” decision on Ustinov’s case will not bite back the authorities later on



    Penalty for actor charged with attacking police officer changed for 1-year suspension term

    Ustinov’s case caused public outcry — art directors of Moscow’s theaters and actors voiced their support for him

    MOSCOW, September 30. /TASS/. The Moscow City Court changed punishment for actor Pavel Ustinov from 3.5 years in a colony for a suspended sentence of one year for using violence against an officer of the Federal National Guard Troops Service, TASS reported.

    "[The court rules] to change Tverskoi Court’s verdict for Ustinov, changing the category of the committed crime from a severe crime to a crime of average gravity and impose suspended punishment in the form of one year of imprisonment with a trial period of two years," the judge announced the verdict.

    On September 16, Moscow’s Tverskoi Court sentenced Ustinov to 3.5 years of imprisonment, finding him guilty of using violence against a riot police officer endangering the latter's health (Part 2 Section 318 of the Russian Criminal Code). The investigators and the court found that during the detention Ustinov offered active resistance to an officer of the Federal National Guard Troops Service, dislocating his shoulder. Ustinov pled not guilty, saying that he did not harm the riot police officer and found himself on the site of the August 3 unauthorized rally by chance: he had a business meeting that day.

    Ustinov’s case caused public outcry. Art directors of Moscow’s theaters and actors voiced their support for him.

    https://tass.com/society/1080484


    It will come back to bite Russia in the ass. But that is just part of the learning process. They are going to act when the rent a crowd starts
    to regularly do this.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:03 am

    But don't you love the sweet irony... western liberals are demanding putin step in and pardon this guy, while putin is letting the courts handle the situation because he sees it as a legal issue and not a political one.

    Amusing that the west is critical of the all powerful tyrant Putin, but demand he steps in and overrules Russias judiciary on their behalf because they think this guy is innocent because he has been fairly tried by western media and found not guilty... the same western media that routinely finds Putin guilty of poisoning people in the UK and of course invading the Ukraine and attacking moderate terrorists in Syria etc etc.
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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:57 am

    GarryB wrote:But don't you love the sweet irony... western liberals are demanding putin step in and pardon this guy, while putin is letting the courts handle the situation because he sees it as a legal issue and not a political one.

    Amusing that the west is critical of the all powerful tyrant Putin, but demand he steps in and overrules Russias judiciary on their behalf because they think this guy is innocent because he has been fairly tried by western media and found not guilty... the same western media that routinely finds Putin guilty of poisoning people in the UK and of course invading the Ukraine and attacking moderate terrorists in Syria etc etc.

    The hypocrisy in the west is beyond pathological. But hypocrisy is not a guarantee of everlasting power and invincibility. In fact,
    it seriously undermines the image of the hypocrites. If the west wants to convince Russians about its innate goodness and moral
    authority, then it has to be honest and fair. Clearly it can be neither since it is a rotten empire built on lies and the blood of millions.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:01 am

    Apparently there is a video of a guy who did attack a police officer during recent protest and so he tried to flee to Minsk where he got caught and is facing jail time.

    Ustinov case was apparently misshandled.
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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:23 pm



    Finally the 5th column Navalny "Fund for Anti-Corruption" has been deemed a foreign agent. No shit Sherlock.
    At least they are starting to block the money flow to the street blockers.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:41 am

    NATO Agents are squealing now that their finances are being targeted by the authorities lol! I believe this is an excellent approach to destroy these shameless 5th column vermin

    CAUTION: this WSJ propaganda piece is riddled with nauseating NATO disinformation



    Russia Targets Dissenters—Right in Their Bank Accounts


    MOSCOW—One morning in September, Andrei Yegorov woke to discover his bank account was frozen and in the red to the tune of 75 million rubles, almost $1.2 million.

    Across Russia, opposition activists say hundreds of people have found that they, too, inexplicably are 75 million rubles in the hole—the same amount state investigators allege Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s organization had laundered for underworld crime lords.

    Russia’s Investigative Committee opened an investigation into Mr. Navalny’s opposition group in August, a probe he calls a politically motivated attempt to destroy it.

    For Mr. Yegorov, a longtime Navalny supporter, the bank-account move sent an unmistakable message: The cost of standing up to President Vladimir Putin is rising to a level few ordinary Russians can withstand.

    “It can psychologically break a person knowing you have no access to your cash and you have a debt that you’ll never pay off,” Mr. Yegorov said.

    Mr. Navalny, a 43-year-old lawyer who entered the public eye in 2012 when he organized street protests against Mr. Putin, has emerged as Russia’s most effective opposition leader in years. His Anti-Corruption Fund has become the closest thing Russia has to a nationwide opposition movement. His campaign has exposed alleged graft by top officials, including Mr. Putin’s top lieutenant, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who has dismissed the claims, calling them fabricated.

    While Mr. Putin long ago quashed dissent within the country’s tightly controlled political system, Mr. Navalny and supporters such as Mr. Yegorov have become a growing irritant. Russian authorities have described his group as a tool of the U.S. establishment, intent on toppling Mr. Putin.

    The Kremlin for years has used court cases to force independent-minded organizations into bankruptcy or submission, but the measures against Mr. Navalny and other opposition leaders, introduced quietly after the protests ended, have brought the Kremlin’s attempts to quash political activism to a new level.

    Denis Volkov, a sociologist for independent pollster Levada Center, said Mr. Navalny’s success in organizing demonstrations and protest voting against the Kremlin has made his group a greater threat to the authorities.

    “The authorities see they now have something to lose to the opposition, and so they’ve decided to shut it down,” he said.

    Mr. Navalny’s followers and other opposition activists joined forces in Moscow over the summer to rally against what they called arbitrary and unlawful detentions of protesters, the biggest show of dissent against pro-Kremlin authorities in years. He also led efforts to oust pro-Putin city council members in a Moscow municipal vote this September.

    The new measures aimed at Mr. Navalny’s group show the danger the Kremlin sees in political activism as Mr. Putin plans to maintain power for at least another five years before his term ends. Mr. Navalny’s followers are personally paying the price in the crackdown.

    “I know what I’m facing in opposing the Kremlin, and my family members understand it, too,” Mr. Yegorov said.

    Russian authorities for years have pressured Mr. Navalny’s support base and have targeted his anticorruption campaign in particular.

    An earlier probe by state investigators accused his organization of laundering 75 million rubles in donations from Russian crime bosses. In October, the anticorruption group was also designated a foreign agent, meaning Mr. Navalny will have to advertise the designation on his website.

    Mr. Navalny said the latest crackdown, which included several waves of raids on his offices and those of his supporters across Russia, is retribution for September’s city elections. After many opposition figures were banned from running, he called for supporters to vote for anyone but Mr. Putin’s candidates, a strategy he calls smart voting.

    As a result, in the capital, candidates affiliated with the pro-government United Russia party lost around a third of their seats in the Moscow City Council, an embarrassing blow as ordinary Russians showed their unhappiness with falling incomes and higher household debt.

    With the latest raids, “they’ve decided to destroy our network before we enlist several million people in a strategy of smart voting,” Mr. Navalny said. “What we’re facing now is intimidation and the destruction of our infrastructure.”

    In addition to blocks on around 500 bank accounts held by Navalny supporters, according to the Anti-Corruption Fund, the organization has faced many court cases in connection with Moscow protests. Restaurant Armenia, on one of the city’s main thoroughfares, sued the group in October for nearly 250,000 rubles because of lost business. Mr. Navalny and other opposition leaders are facing other court cases as well, all of which amount to more than 32 million rubles in claims.

    None of the supporters has said they have been required to pay interest on the debt.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Mr. Putin was aware of raids on opposition supporters, but that the president wasn’t familiar with the details.

    Olya Guseva, who lives in St. Petersburg and works for Mr. Navalny’s anticorruption campaign, said her account had been blocked and showed she owed the same figure, 75 million rubles.

    Another volunteer, in Saratov on the Volga River, posted screenshots on Facebook of two of her accounts. They were both 75 million rubles in the red.

    Mr. Yegorov suspects he first drew the attention of Russia’s security forces seven years ago. The stocky information-technology consultant said he recalls police following him and he was sometimes detained at rallies. He said that the first time he was carried away, he was holding a sign saying “No to Fascism.”

    Now 35, he said his two-floor home in Moscow’s Western Pskov suburb was one of more than 200 police raided in September. Shortly after officers burst through his door, an SMS message from his bank popped up on his phone. His checking account was 75 million rubles in debt, as was his mother’s.


    Mr. Yegorov was stunned. He said he couldn’t understand how it could have happened. He called his bank, which said a Moscow court had ordered the amount to be blocked off and taken from his account, which doesn’t have a credit facility. It didn’t make any sense, he said.

    The Wall Street Journal independently reviewed his account statement at Alfa Bank, which also provided the order from a Moscow city court that froze the account, which Mr. Yegorov said had just 2,000 rubles in it. The bank didn’t provide any additional information.

    Mr. Yegorov said life 75 million rubles in the red is more difficult than before. He has to rely on friends to provide pocket money here and there to get by.

    But he hasn’t changed his decision to support Mr. Navalny’s political movement, he said.

    “When you sign up for the opposition, you have to know what you’re getting into,” he said. “You could be saddled with a 75-million-ruble debt, you could be killed. But you’ve decided to fight.”



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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:09 am


    Oh, what's all this then?


    Alexei Navalny: Most Russians don't care about his work, poll shows

    https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-most-russians-dont-care-about-his-work-poll-shows/a-51114579

    He has been targeted by police raids, faced hefty fines and long jail terms. But a new poll has revealed that Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny is barely on the radar in his home country....




    One in Three Russians Supports Criminal Cases Against Navalny Allies – Poll

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/05/one-in-three-russians-supports-criminal-cases-against-navalny-allies-poll-a68030



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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:12 am

    Indeed. Revolutions of all sorts run on money. Not on ideas.

    Especially for rent-a-crowd maggots, money is the fuel. I don't know why Putin did not start pushing for these laws back in 2000.
    I guess he was being blocked by Yeltsin era compradors, but the time has come when their power is low and a house cleaning is
    necessary.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:48 am

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1194904527503286272?s=19

    Hmm, I think it's time Russian authorities goes after Yandex and forces them to be fully Russian or leave.
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    Post  Kimppis Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:06 pm

    Western Russia (aka Putlerreich) coverage in the current year (decade):

    I was just buying some groceries in the evening at 10 pm, and while I was at the counter, I heard one of the biggest radio stations in the country reporting about the death of a Russian "opposition 'leader.'" Missed the guy's name, but why is this being covered in the West/outside Russia at all?

    Their source was apparently the Russian media (lol, so Putler's media control isn't so total after all?), the guy was 41, he died suddenly on a train, and according to Russia's Investigative Committee, the death was natural (or, the wording was actually that they "assured" it was... hmmm???).

    So... what kind of narrative are they trying to generate here? What are they implying? These are all rhetorical questions of course, but man, that's some peak propaganda/stupidity. Sure, the reporting in itself was objective enough, but the fact that the "case" is being reported at all is extremely telling... and quite frankly, insane.

    Yes MSM, all around the globe, some men die relatively young, sometimes they might even be politically active. That happens even in the Western wonderland. Are all of these deaths international news, for absolutely no reason?

    I mean, really. Factually, how many "opposition leaders" have been KILLED in Russia after Putin came to power? Or, especially after 2008? The politically irrelevant Nemtsov? So in per capita that is how many? Remember, Russia is a country of 150 million. And how does that compare to the US? To Latin America? To other countries?

    For fucks sake, the whole narrative has been fake news from the beginning! But nah... r/worldnews, let the conspiracy theorising begin.

    "PUTLER AT IT AGAIN!!! HE MUST BE STOPPED!!! MORE SANCTIONS!!!"

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:17 am

    There are likely entire websites about all the people the Clinton mafia have had killed... most recently Epstein... but plenty of bodies of people who died in suspicious circumstances like supposed suicides etc etc... certainly very convenient for the Clintons... and you would have to include Gadaffi and Saddam and Osama Bin Laden and that more recent Bagdadi guy who conveniently die before they can testify about anything in a court of law against anyone... really quite useful actually...
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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:43 am

    Most media consumers are ignorant fools. We have plenty of examples in recent history of what death squad repression looks like.
    It isn't a handful of dubious cases contrived with the flimsiest cherry picked circumstantial evidence, it is hundreds and thousands
    disappeared. Clearly the latter is not happening in Russia, but the NATO fake stream media is circle jerking with the former.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:17 pm



    Looks like there is grass roots action in Russia to fight against western 5th column activity. In this case the
    Ural region school administration is rotten with liberast traitors who are trying to stage brainwashing events
    for Russian children by pushing NATO propaganda "history". The website "Soft Power" got a hold of these
    plans and spread them around. The 5th column delayed their plans for the brainwashing events. But
    more pressure is needed and the grass roots are agitating the authorities to investigate this brazen infiltration
    of the Russian school system.

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:49 pm

    Funny how in the west parties that have less than 3% support do not even get media coverage. But when it comes to Russia
    there is yapping about some lunatic fringe which everyone in Russia knows is working for its enemies has an actual chance at
    winning a fair vote. Bugger off!

    The only thing that Navalny can win is the blocking of major streets for short periods of time.


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