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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:48 pm

    The Bundeswehr considered scenarios for the European Union until 2040

    As Jana Rogestvenskaya writes in the material "The Bundeswehr for the Disintegration of the EU is Ready," published by the newspaper Kommersant, the German army analyzed six possible scenarios for the development of the EU by 2040. The secret report fell into the hands of the weekly Der Spiegel, which published excerpts from it. The most pessimistic scenario envisages the disintegration of the European Union because of aggression or the consequences of Brexit.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:30 am

    It's not Christianity, it's renaissance values that "made Europe great". Christianity threw Europe into the Dark Ages, which were a
    theocratic toilet much like a lot of the Middle East is today.

    Europe needs to get rid of its yoke of cultural Marxism which comes in the form political correctness and infiltration of the intelligentsia
    with scumbags such as that quoted above.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:56 am

    Hahaha... the church did everything it could to prevent democracy... it was a rival to the power of the church.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:29 am

    Interesting look into the situation in Romania.  Neutral
    How low such a large country has fallen. No
    The way there very constitution is written basically makes them a vassal state, just wow.  Shocked



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    Post  nomadski Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:34 pm

    @Alfa

    The union of European states gives them too much power . NATO gave too much power . Now EU army does the same . What is wrong with this ? Well just think of recent NATO misadventures in the middle east . Millions affected . And an aggressive stance against Russia . Expanding eastward . All made possible by too much power .

    So we should not be shy by stating publicly that we want to weaken or break up EU . The EU nations are nation states that will do very nicely on their own . Both economically and in defence . So reward them and show them the way to part ways . Their streanght in this case is an actual weakness .

    Offer solutions to their break up . For example the present border in northern Ireland is a stumbling block to UK leaving EU . But I think this border can remain a political border . Disallowing movement of troops . Or EU troops across border . And the economic border can be around Irish coast . To allow EU economic activity for Ireland . This way UK will leave EU sooner . We will deal with Scotland next . So on and on .....
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:44 pm

    Well Gentz, Article 13 and 11 have passed, the end is nigh, for our friends here who are from the EU, i suggest you prep yourself, for if you give the wrong opinion even on this forum you might get a visit from the EU KGB, i mean EU Stasi.

    And your posts might be blocked out right, so no one can hear you scream.
    Dark days are ahead for those of us in the EUSSR.
    Heck, even for those that aren't in the EU are in trouble.

    I know many who are hoping to just vote in people to end this, but this has become impossible, since the Eurocrats can now just import voters, universal-suffrage may have been a bad idea, you played right into the socialists hands, egalitarians.

    Democracy is dead, god help us all.





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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:49 am

    Heck, even for those that aren't in the EU are in trouble.

    Yeah... the rest of the world doesn't really care.

    Sounds like the US claiming Iranian supported terrorism is a threat to the world... no it isn't.

    The only terrorists they support are fighting Israel... 100 years ago Israel didn't exist... who cares if it does not exist in 100 years time.

    The way the EU treats Russia is enough for me to know it has no value to the world...

    Looking forward to seeing how the UK behaves when it leaves the EU to be honest... they pretty much screwed us when they joined the EU and did very little to help us, but of course we will likely bend over backwards to help mother...

    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...
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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:43 am

    Hahaha... just saw the news bite on RT... the woman that did the report on Hungary never even went to Hungary to talk to anyone or see anything... how very European.

    Will decide your fate but wont even talk to you about it...
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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:21 am


    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...

    So I was wondering why likeminded countries like Poland and Austria and indeed Italy didn't back up Hungary...

    I really don't know but over the next few months if we don't hear about similar action being taken against Poland or Austria or Italy for not taking refugees and being proper Europeans then we will know what deals they did... to screw Hungary and cover their own asses.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:50 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...

    So I was wondering why likeminded countries like Poland and Austria and indeed Italy didn't back up Hungary...

    I really don't know but over the next few months if we don't hear about similar action being taken against Poland or Austria or Italy for not taking refugees and being proper Europeans then we will know what deals they did... to screw Hungary and cover their own asses.



    Because Hungary did not back Poland when it needed its backing.

    The infamous 27:1 vote.

    By the way, the "historical Hungarian-Polish friendship" is a myth; Hungarians at least twice (or three times?) in their history wanted to partition Poland (in 1410 and during the mid-1650's, and there was also possibly a plan to do it during the 1300's).

    Yes, sometimes Hungarians and Poles were allied, but Poland was at times allied with other countries, even with Russia.



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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...

    So I was wondering why likeminded countries like Poland and Austria and indeed Italy didn't back up Hungary...

    I really don't know but over the next few months if we don't hear about similar action being taken against Poland or Austria or Italy for not taking refugees and being proper Europeans then we will know what deals they did... to screw Hungary and cover their own asses.



    Because Hungary did not back Poland when it needed its backing.

    The infamous 27:1 vote.

    By the way, the "historical Hungarian-Polish friendship" is a myth; Hungarians at least twice (or three times?) in their history wanted to partition Poland (in 1410 and during the mid-1650's, and there was also possibly a plan to do it during the 1300's).

    Yes, sometimes Hungarians and Poles were allied, but Poland was at times allied with other countries, even with Russia.






    Much more recently, since late 1943, the German-allied Hungarian government supported the Ukrainian nationalist UPA by providing it with weapons, ammunition, and military instructors.

    That was at a time when UPA was literally conducting a genocide against the ethnic Poles.

    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


    Very strange "friends".

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    Post  Aristide Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:24 pm

    Most rubbish written in this topic is amusing at best.

    Written from people living in poverty and poor conditions.


    You dont understand politics and you dont understand diplomacy.

    The EU is the worlds most powerful economy. And thats the reason why the EU will not break apart.

    Even trump did fold infront the EU and stopped his tariff threat. The Eu has unrivaled negotiation power and can force its economic will on anyone. Dictate billion $ penalties
    on international corporations like Google, Apple.

    There will most likely also no BREXIT. There are indications they will have another referendum and another one until the result is what the elite sees as fitting.

    I must also laugh about your migrant scare. Nothing happenes in politics without reason. Since 2015 migration was culled down by 97%. The migrants are used as tool to direct population
    in a certain direction. The entire EU shifts more and more to the right.

    Our own president Macron is a nice example for this. He speaks pro human rights but allows no migrants in, blocks all boats and orders military actions in african shitholes without any UN approval.

    Once the migrants are not needed anymore, they will be erased like so many times before.

    The core question in Europe since almost 2000 years is the french / german question.

    A united Europe under French or German rule. Thats the reason for the napoleonic wars, for the 1st world war and also the 2nd world war.

    This dispute is setteled and today we have an Paris - Berlin axis.

    France is and always was an expansionist power. We want Europe as one. Even the Front National wants this.

    And no, we dont need more church. The curch did hold Europe back. Europes roots are the Roman Empire.

    The church has and can have an important cultural impact but limited.

    As for international positions, Russia never was fully in the European concept. Some russian leaders tried that. Czar Peter and Cathrina. There was also a brief time when i was a little kid, when we had Chirac as president, who expanded the axis with german chancellor Schroder to Moscow with Putin.

    We have nothing against Russia. We have interests. Thats a natural thing, just as you have interests. We took West Ukraine. With that we got some good soil for agriculture and also skilled mechanics who work for cheap wages and now build luxury cruise ships and war ships in Nantes.

    You should not worry so much about Europe. Meanwhile China takes Siberia.

    The EU is just a name. The process itself is irreversible. France wants a united Europe. Germany wants a united Europe. And with that, the decission is made.

    As for hungary and some votes in EU parliament. The EU parliament is powerless. All this is without any effects. The EU supports Orban in his politics.

    The illiberal democracy is a the model of the future of Europe and something i find pretty attractive. The french presidential system would be the perfect example for all all of Europe.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:09 am

    The EU is the worlds most powerful economy. And thats the reason why the EU will not break apart.

    Bollocks... you can take 20 countries and put them together and they can have the worlds most powerful economy too... that doesn't actually mean anything except when you add the resources and power of 20 has been former states together you get a state that is more powerful than any other single state...

    Even trump did fold infront the EU and stopped his tariff threat. The Eu has unrivaled negotiation power and can force its economic will on anyone. Dictate billion $ penalties
    on international corporations like Google, Apple.

    Trump is a dick... nothing he does is important.

    There will most likely also no BREXIT. There are indications they will have another referendum and another one until the result is what the elite sees as fitting.

    That would be typically EU of them... keep having votes until you get the result you want...

    I must also laugh about your migrant scare. Nothing happenes in politics without reason. Since 2015 migration was culled down by 97%. The migrants are used as tool to direct population
    in a certain direction. The entire EU shifts more and more to the right.

    Hahahaha... of course... all the centre left parties in power in europe followed policies with the express purpose of getting them kicked out of power and replaced by centre right parties... interesting hypothesis.... or are you suggesting that there is a secret all powerful collective behind the scenes controlling everything... in which elections in the EU mean fuck all and you should not even bother voting.... you know... like they did in Macedonia... clearly ahead of the average herd in the EU I guess.

    Our own president Macron is a nice example for this. He speaks pro human rights but allows no migrants in, blocks all boats and orders military actions in african shitholes without any UN approval.

    Yeah... he is very American. His speeches meet all the PC norms, but he acts like a Frenchman... The question is... did the French do this first and the Americans follow or was it the other way around.

    Once the migrants are not needed anymore, they will be erased like so many times before.

    Ya... mein fuhrer... vil it be ze ovenz, all civilised and tidy, or some open pit like they did in the Soviet Union during WWII?

    The core question in Europe since almost 2000 years is the french / german question.

    A united Europe under French or German rule. Thats the reason for the napoleonic wars, for the 1st world war and also the 2nd world war.

    This dispute is setteled and today we have an Paris - Berlin axis.

    Yes, a new axis of evil is coming, except you are not going to be ruling the world... just one pole in a multipolar system.

    France is and always was an expansionist power. We want Europe as one. Even the Front National wants this.

    France can want what it likes... I can't see the Italians or Greeks wanting to speak French or German...

    And no, we dont need more church. The curch did hold Europe back. Europes roots are the Roman Empire.

    The church has and can have an important cultural impact but limited.

    Of course... the church is terribly corrupt and broken but still at its roots represents morality... can't let that get in the way can we?

    As for international positions, Russia never was fully in the European concept. Some russian leaders tried that. Czar Peter and Cathrina. There was also a brief time when i was a little kid, when we had Chirac as president, who expanded the axis with german chancellor Schroder to Moscow with Putin.

    Russia would not fit in with your european concept... Russia does not want to be told what to do from Brussels, or Paris or Berlin... which is to say ultimately they don't want to be under Washingtons orders.

    We have nothing against Russia. We have interests. Thats a natural thing, just as you have interests. We took West Ukraine. With that we got some good soil for agriculture and also skilled mechanics who work for cheap wages and now build luxury cruise ships and war ships in Nantes.

    You are also getting Chernobyl and a bunch of nazis that made the German and Austrian nazis look mild... most of the guards for the concentration camps in WWII were selected from the baltic states and the ukraine... they enjoyed their work... welcome to your gene pool.

    You should not worry so much about Europe. Meanwhile China takes Siberia.

    How? They can't even take Taiwan. They can buy what they need from Siberia... the west has built factories and now they are the manufacturing of consumer goods centre of the world and rapidly expanding into other areas, but as a military force largely untested and untried.

    China invading Siberia is an American/European wet dream... just like India fighting China or India fighting Pakistan or Russia fighting anyone.

    The amusing thing is that the last few fights the west has set up for Russia... like supporting ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and overthrowing the government in the Ukraine has all backfired and Russia has got the Crimea, and Iran is now in Iraq and Syria...

    The EU is just a name. The process itself is irreversible. France wants a united Europe. Germany wants a united Europe. And with that, the decission is made.

    What they want is irrelevant... and what they actually want is a europe united behind them... and I doubt they are going to get it the way they want.

    As for hungary and some votes in EU parliament. The EU parliament is powerless. All this is without any effects. The EU supports Orban in his politics.

    So you keep saying, but when it comes time to vote everyone goes super left centre PC... the eu is clearly the rainbow state...


    The illiberal democracy is a the model of the future of Europe and something i find pretty attractive. The french presidential system would be the perfect example for all all of Europe.

    Yeah, and ask someone from another country in the eu and they will likely think other eu countries should be run more like their country... except at a profit...

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    Post  Aristide Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:bla bla blubb


    Nope Gary, we dont want the world. We have the best of the world. Most of the world is dirty shitholes so far below us, they are only good to be exploited.

    It also doesnt matter what Italy or Greece want. They are bound to us. They dont need to speak french. The roman empire had multiple languages as well.

    What you dont get is, that brussel is nothing than a smoke screen. Brussel decides nothing. It reads the decissions Paris and Berlin made and acts as lightening catcher.

    But you did not even understand the concept of the EU.

    The EU is the worlds largest and most powerful economy. Single market and economic block. A simple fact.

    How China takes siberia? By setteling there. There are already more chinese than russians living

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:26 pm

    Aristide wrote:...............

    How China takes siberia? By setteling there. There are already more chinese than russians living

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb



    Load of BS but hey, who cares about accuracy?

    Next time get some real data before running your mouth, some non-horsecrap sources would be nice as well
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    Post  Aristide Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:...............

    How China takes siberia? By setteling there. There are already more chinese than russians living

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb



    Load of BS but hey, who cares about accuracy?

    Next time get some real data before running your mouth, some non-horsecrap sources would be nice as well

    There is only one thing to know.

    Human nature and geography. There are not many russians. Only 6 millions on a gigantic area. While right next to it are 1 billion chinese. The case is already closed.

    Add the fact that russia is economic weak and China an economic giant and you know where things are heading.

    Nations are not static amigo. 500 years ago Siberia was not Russia and you would be a fool to believe it will be Russia in 500 years
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    Post  nomadski Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:39 pm

    The EU forms a very powerful block . As we know power gives potential to do harm . As humans are by nature destructive . Therefore to reduce wars . We should reduce the ability to wage war . Stop formation of big power blocks like EU .  I did say that an EU army would result  . To throw it's weight around . In Ukraine or Libya or Syria or  in Afghanistan . Or against Russia .

    Any net social or legislative benefits for EU nations are marginal . It is during EU rule , that we have ended up with austerity  and  zero hour contracts . Centralism in Europe has led to the centralism and power of big business  and privileged  liberal elites . National governments are not worse off by following national independent polity . And all European states can defend nations without EU army . Or NATO .

    For all these  reasons  we should encourage the dissolution of EU .  To start we should allow the English to find a way out and leave . This means finding a way out for northern Ireland  . As I said before there are two kinds of border  . Political and economic . There are many places in the world , where economic borders transcend national and political boundaries . These regions are special economic zones .

    Northern Ireland can be such a zone . And in practice , it is in reality such a zone . Reflecting the ethnic and religious divide and recent bloody conflict . In this way then , a solution might be to allow citizens to decide what laws they like to be subject to . In loyalist areas then, they will opt to follow WTO rules . And rules set out by British courts . In republican areas they will opt to follow EU rules and ECJ .  This liberalization  and flexibility will allow both EU and UK interests to be addressed . British law is flexible on imposition of alternate laws on it's territory . For example Sharia law is allowed to be practiced in some cases . In parallel with UK law .


    International borders are still in place . UK remains sovereign  territory . Able to station troops in northern Ireland . This region becomes EU special economic zone . With citizens and industries electing to impose laws on their territory . Those citizens wishing to get EU passports as well as British passports , should be able  to do so . As British law allows dual citizenship for other nationalities . Why not EU nationals? Companies can be dual certified to operate in both economic areas . Where laws are compatible .


    This will allow the easier break up  of EU .
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:50 am

    Human nature and geography. There are not many russians. Only 6 millions on a gigantic area. While right next to it are 1 billion chinese. The case is already closed.

    The world is getting darker... there is more colour in the world, nature has a surprise for Europe... those immigrants are just the first wave... more will come and with the UN agreements on migration a trickle will become a flood of people leaving those shitholes and coming to live next door to you...

    But we have seen a lot of photos of you, so we know that if you actually got out and saw a bit more of the sun you could probably pass for an African anyway...
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    Post  Aristide Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:39 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Human nature and geography. There are not many russians. Only 6 millions on a gigantic area. While right next to it are 1 billion chinese. The case is already closed.

    The world is getting darker... there is more colour in the world, nature has a surprise for Europe... those immigrants are just the first wave... more will come and with the UN agreements on migration a trickle will become a flood of people leaving those shitholes and coming to live next door to you...

    But we have seen a lot of photos of you, so we know that if you actually got out and saw a bit more of the sun you could probably pass for an African anyway...

    Science has a surpise for the world and nature. If you know what CRISPR7CAS is, you know what i talk about. We step into a new era, where obsolete and useless races can be reduced. The development of biological agents
    is possible now and they can developed to only attach to certain haplogroups. Subsaharan africans can be sterilized that way qite easily.

    Beside that i´m not very worried. We are high tech nation. It takes not much to seal down the mediterranean. We have zero arrivals on french coast. Italy was able to cull them down by 87% within 3 months.

    As soon the far right took over in Italy, no obsoletes from africa made it through anymore.

    President Macron is a hypocrite though. He talks about human rights but in reality acts absolute anti migrant. I would prefer if our president talks same way as he acts.

    As for the EU, its in french core interest to have the EU running. The EU allows us to reach higher living standards, more negotiation power worldwide.

    It could be seen how we crushed Trump down in the trade war. France alone would not have had the power to achieve that.

    Same counts for defense. We live in 21st century. Right now its french and also british nukes that keep Europe free. Without this Germany, Italy, Spain and propably also Poland would need to build up their own nuclear arsenal to guarantee the security of their people.

    We live in the era of the downfall of the USA as global power and Europe must be able to destroy any enemy worldwide who dares to attack us. This ability is what gives security.


    P.s.: I´m half french/half spanish in my ancestry. I have typical mediterranean look. Your personal attacks become quite tiresome.
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    Post  Regular Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:06 pm

    Aristide, yes, genetic engineering will be the future, even before AI. But I am afraid Europe will be lagging behind China. Couple of thousand engineered and brainwashed babies with high IQ ( chinese overmen ) would tip scientific, economical scales in favour of China as if there's second Industrial revolution.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:24 am

    P.s.: I´m half french/half spanish in my ancestry. I have typical mediterranean look. Your personal attacks become quite tiresome.

    It is only an attack if you are a racist censored .

    Most French women I know spend hours in the sun trying to get a tan... why would you be offended at being called not pure white?

    Aristide, yes, genetic engineering will be the future, even before AI. But I am afraid Europe will be lagging behind China. Couple of thousand engineered and brainwashed babies with high IQ ( chinese overmen ) would tip scientific, economical scales in favour of China as if there's second Industrial revolution.

    Exactly... anything you can use to get rid of the great unwashed, can be used against you...

    Snowden and Manning were in positions where they had access to information that proved the US was guilty of criminal activity... and they both released that information to try to do something about it.

    Imagine two other such moral individuals involved in a chemical castration programme run by the EU or US... but these individuals don't want to release the information because they don't want to go to jail and the don't want to have to hide in Russia... the features attached to the product that makes it target certain genes could easily be used to target other groups instead... would it not be hilarious if the weapons are used and someone did a superman where they reversed the mechanism so that everyone who was not targeted gets targeted.

    Of course there is no guarantee it wont mutate and just eventually kill all humans on the planet... which would just leave the French... Razz

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    Post  Aristide Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:11 am

    Regular wrote:Aristide, yes, genetic engineering will be the future, even before AI. But I am afraid Europe will be lagging behind China. Couple of thousand engineered and brainwashed babies with high IQ ( chinese overmen ) would tip scientific, economical scales in favour of China as if there's second Industrial revolution.

    I´m not afraid of China. They lack individual freedom. Their culture is a hivemind culture. They are only as strong or smart as their leader is. They are good to copy things but completly unable to bring up new developments. Their ant socialisation prevents that.

    The 2nd aspect is, that chinese culture doesnt offer anything. People dont want be like the pancake faces.

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    Post  Regular Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:04 pm

    Aristide wrote:

    I´m not afraid of China. They lack individual freedom. Their culture is a hivemind culture. They are only as strong or smart as their leader is. They are good to copy things but completly unable to bring up new developments. Their ant socialisation prevents that.

    The 2nd aspect is, that chinese culture doesnt offer anything. People dont want be like the pancake faces.


    I agree about hivemind culture, but when it comes to scientific output, it's only a benefit to have this type of society. Japan is similiar, even more strict than China.
    Yet, USA and Chinese scientific output is converging.

    Also, Chinese culture is really backwards, they are very supersticious and I doubt they will ever reach Japanese level of cultural influence. It won't stop them to dominate world if there will be no drastic changes.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:13 pm

    Aristide wrote:I´m not afraid of China. They lack individual freedom. Their culture is a hivemind culture. They are only as strong or smart as their leader is. They are good to copy things but completly unable to bring up new developments. Their ant socialisation prevents that.

    The 2nd aspect is, that chinese culture doesnt offer anything. People dont want be like the pancake faces.

    Any serious and comprehensive researches to back your claim ? Things like "chinese culture doesnt offer anything". "They lack individual freedom."
    I want to remind you that you are insulting the largest nation in the world and that nation nurtures one large civilization of the ancient world, which has been existing continuously til today (unlike ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia who were destroyed and have no direct connection to nowadays Egypt and Iraq).

    I am not afraid of China either, since I consider China is a potential trade partner for my country.


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